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Thread: LeBron and MJ are tied as the GOATs

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Originally Posted By NillaWafer⏩
There's been 4 teams to threepeat in the history of the NBA. Lakers in the 50s. Shaq/Kobe Lakers in the 00s. 60s Celtics when they won some ungodly number in a row. Jordan's Bulls twice.

No other team has done it.

You can cherry pick whatever personal stats you want, but Jordan did arguably the hardest thing in the NBA. And he did it twice. If LBJ had done it with the Heat, I think LBJ has a better case. But he got humiliated by old man Duncan and the Spurs.

LBJ is a good player, but he doesn't stand up to Jordan.
Hmm couple 3peats there..

Name the player who has a FMVPs with 3 different teams.. I'd argue THATS MORE IMPRESSIVE. To lead 3 different organizations, with different players and lack of stability to championships... GOAT chit

Jordan could never. Hell he'd probably get kicked oit of the bubble if he was here for conduct detrimental to his team, or he'd leave in the middle of he night and go to Atlantic City in the playoffs like he was known to do
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Originally Posted By carjoch_831⏩
^Facts. Agree with the Illegal defense rule change. People are misled that because "hand check" is not allowed, it is easier to score in today's game.
Can you imagine 6'9 260 pound LeBron hand checking lil 6'6 215 pound Jordan.... lmfao

LeBron would be the most dominant defensive player in that era if he was allowed to hand check
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Different era, different rules, these long ass paragraphs backing up your man crush Lebron is so cringe.

6 is more than 4 last time I checked, but I’m not going to say one is better than the other. MJ’s legacy has a lot less hiccups than Lebrons

Can’t you just let them both be the greatest of their era? Nah cuz you’re an insufferable ******* with major issues
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
Hmm couple 3peats there..

Name the player who has a FMVPs with 3 different teams.. I'd argue THATS MORE IMPRESSIVE. To lead 3 different organizations, with different players and lack of stability to championships... GOAT chit

Jordan could never. Hell he'd probably get kicked oit of the bubble if he was here for conduct detrimental to his team, or he'd leave in the middle of he night and go to Atlantic City in the playoffs like he was known to do
Bolting to 3 teams is not impressive.
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
Can you imagine 6'9 260 pound LeBron hand checking lil 6'6 215 pound Jordan.... lmfao

LeBron would be the most dominant defensive player in that era if he was allowed to hand check
Already seen him get owned by a 6'6 215 GOAT....lmfao










































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It's pretty cringe how irate these LDS guys around about Lebron winning. Like it's cool you don't gotta be so mad, him winning doesn't make your chit life any worse lol
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
It's pretty cringe how irate these LDS guys around about Lebron winning. Like it's cool you don't gotta be so mad, him winning doesn't make your chit life any worse lol
LDS is real. 2016 was bad, 2020 will be worse.
All it takes is Mookie Betts, Steph Curry, and Joe Burrow all sitting in the same car in order for one drunk driver to make the world a significantly better place.
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[QUOTE=TaeBoNinja post_id=1619162561]Already seen him get owned by a 6'6 215 GOAT....lmfao

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[img]https://nobodyscritic.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/4-out-of-10.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]Just so people are aware LeBron is 16-6 in head to head matchups against Kobe and averaged more points, assists, rebounds, blocks and steals


Stay taking L's "Laker fan".. anyone else wanna get owned in this convo? It's like shooting fish in a barrel at this point
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Originally Posted By BigElephant⏩
He's still at 4 IMO. Another title moves him ahead of Magic and Kareem to #2. A 3 peat makes him #1.

Have to address this post though:



While MJ would still win scoring titles I don't think he'd crack 40+ over a season. Yes you could play tougher defense back when he played, but if you transported him to the current era he would have to deal with zone defenses plus a higher average overall level of talent, athleticism, and depth. He'd still be great no doubt and would win titles, but IMO he's not putting up crazy numbers like 45 PPG over a season.
I wanna hear a valid argument for why LeBron is behind Magic, I can understand why for Kareem but even when you go for his career he has GLARING problems

Kareem MISSED THE PLAYOFFS numerous times in his prime. Him and Magic PLAYED TOGETHER and he has "only" 2 FMVP. Who are you giving the credit to in those championship runs.. Magic or Kareem? It can't be bothered because neither LeBron or MJ is playing with a legit other top 5 player of all time for nearly all their championships

Also I agrer with your other point, Harden has maxed out what you can do in today's era.. he puts up an otherworldly usage rate with high efficiency and gets to the line at an all time rate being in a system designed specifically different than anyone else in league history.. Jordan isn't averaging more than 31 a game because it's detrimental basketball in today's era.. it's losing basketball
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
Just so people are aware LeBron is 16-6 in head to head matchups against Kobe and averaged more points, assists, rebounds, blocks and steals


Stay taking L's "Laker fan".. anyone else wanna get owned in this convo? It's like shooting fish in a barrel at this point
LOl at random regular season games. In the playoffs Lebron couldn't even lead a 65 win Cav team to face Kobe in the Finals. MJ would have abused Lebron
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Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja⏩
LOl at random regular season game. In the playoffs Lebron could even lead a 65 win Cav team to face Kobe in the Finals. MJ would have abused Lebron
LeBron only averaged 38/8/9 or something ridiculous like that against Orlando.. meanwhile Kobe was going 6/24 in Game 7 and needed Artest to save him
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
LeBron only averaged 38/8/9 or something ridiculous like that against Orlando.. meanwhile Kobe was going 6/24 in Game 7 and needed Artest to save him
So? You do what it takes to win. MJ averaged 41 in the finals before and played defense.
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
LeBron only averaged 38/8/9 or something ridiculous like that against Orlando.. meanwhile Kobe was going 6/24 in Game 7 and needed Artest to save him
Lebronie stans can only quote stats. We get it....Lebron is ball dominant and hogs the rock. Meanwhile Kobe, TD and Mj did what it took to WIN, and not just stat pad.
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Originally Posted By SmashinYoungVag⏩
So? You do what it takes to win. MJ averaged 41 in the finals before and played defense.
This.

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Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja⏩
Lebronie stans can only quote stats. We get it....Lebron is ball dominant and hogs the rock. Meanwhile Kobe, TD and Mj did what it took to WIN, and not just stat pad.
Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja⏩
This.

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Pistons for BOTH KOBE AND MJ. Tell me about them going undefeated for both of them. Arguably Kobe's choke against the Pistons was worse than Brons since Kobe had fkn Shaq

Tell me why MJ is 1-9 in playoff games without Scottie? What is his record without the best coach of all time?
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
Pistons for BOTH KOBE AND MJ. Tell me about them going undefeated for both of them. Arguably Kobe's choke against the Pistons was worse than Brons since Kobe had fkn Shaq

Tell me why MJ is 1-9 in playoff games without Scottie? What is his record without the best coach of all time?
Yeah Mj needed one dude that wasn’t ass. He didn’t need to construct the whole roster 1-15 every year
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Originally Posted By SmashinYoungVag⏩
Yeah Mj needed one dude that wasn’t ass. He didn’t need to construct the whole roster 1-15 every year
Lmao LeBron took a bunch of trash to the finals numerous times... meanwhile MJ couldn't get out of the 1st round
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
Pistons for BOTH KOBE AND MJ. Tell me about them going undefeated for both of them. Arguably Kobe's choke against the Pistons was worse than Brons since Kobe had fkn Shaq

Tell me why MJ is 1-9 in playoff games without Scottie? What is his record without the best coach of all time?
Kobe lost only twice to two of the greatest defensive teams ever.

5-2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4-6
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Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja⏩
Kobe lost only twice to two of the greatest defensive teams ever.

5-2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4-6
He choked in a series he was the favorite to win against a team WITH NO SUPERSTAR EQUIVALENT TO DIRK
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Lebron is better. He's the 2nd best passer for a forward ever. He makes his teammates better. Jordan didn't win chit until Bird, Magic and Isiah had their runs.

Jordan dominated in an incredibly weak NBA

The 1986 Celtics, 1987 Lakers would annihilate the 95 Bulls.
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Originally Posted By SmashinYoungVag⏩
So? You do what it takes to win. MJ averaged 41 in the finals before and played defense.
Do you happen to know MJ's record in the playoffs without Pippen?
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Originally Posted By AlBHappy⏩
Lebron is better. He's the 2nd best passer for a forward ever. He makes his teammates better. Jordan didn't win chit until Bird, Magic and Isiah had their runs.

Jordan dominated in an incredibly weak NBA

The 1986 Celtics, 1987 Lakers would annihilate the 95 Bulls.
This is very true. Lebron has always faced top tier competition.

Jordan's rings were against the way past their prime Lakers, the trail blazers with no real all star, the Suns with CB, the ****ing Supersonics, and the Utah Jazz twice

Just lol at his era and how weak it was

And he did it all on absolutely stacked rosters. Pippen was the 2nd best player in the league. Horace Grant, Rodman, Kukoc were all elite players. Take Jordan away from the Bulls in 94 and they were one bad call away from the ECF. Take Lebron away from the Cavs and they were dead last in the league

It's amazing how retarded sports miscers are and how they lack the ability to understand context

And why does no one talk about Jordan and the Wizards?
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Originally Posted By AlBHappy⏩
Lebron is better. He's the 2nd best passer for a forward ever. He makes his teammates better. Jordan didn't win chit until Bird, Magic and Isiah had their runs.

Jordan dominated in an incredibly weak NBA

The 1986 Celtics, 1987 Lakers would annihilate the 95 Bulls.
Not true. Jordan consistently played elite teams in the finals and some very good teams in the East too.

The SRS of the teams the Lakers beat this year: -.61, 3.13, 2.35, 2.59. I challenge you to find any title run by Jordan in that ballpark.
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Originally Posted By DukeOfWoodBerry⏩
Not true. Jordan consistently played elite teams in the finals and some very good teams in the East too.
Uhhhhhh

https://ca.nba.com/news/the-last-dan...f1kuizb90rbd7y

Every Finals Opponent
Team Rating Opponent
2017 Warriors 1850 LeBron
2015 Warriors 1802 LeBron
2016 Warriors 1790 LeBron
1998 Jazz 1762 MJ
1997 Jazz 1751 MJ
2012 Thunder 1737 LeBron
2014 Spurs 1730 LeBron
2011 Mavericks 1717 LeBron
2013 Spurs 1711 LeBron
2018 Warriors 1710 LeBron
2007 Spurs 1705 LeBron
1992 Blazers 1702 MJ
1991 Lakers 1697 MJ
1996 Sonics 1695 MJ
1993 Suns 1634 MJ

Ok lol

Only teams MJ played that were in the same league as lebron were the jazz, and MJ's bulls at that point were absolutely stacked
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Originally Posted By DukeOfWoodBerry⏩
Not true. Jordan consistently played elite teams in the finals and some very good teams in the East too.

The SRS of the teams the Lakers beat this year: -.61, 3.13, 2.35, 2.59. I challenge you to find any title run by Jordan in that ballpark.
Lmao Jordan played some of the weakest finals opponents of any all time great
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
Uhhhhhh

https://ca.nba.com/news/the-last-dan...f1kuizb90rbd7y

Every Finals Opponent
Team Rating Opponent
2017 Warriors 1850 LeBron
2015 Warriors 1802 LeBron
2016 Warriors 1790 LeBron
1998 Jazz 1762 MJ
1997 Jazz 1751 MJ
2012 Thunder 1737 LeBron
2014 Spurs 1730 LeBron
2011 Mavericks 1717 LeBron
2013 Spurs 1711 LeBron
2018 Warriors 1710 LeBron
2007 Spurs 1705 LeBron
1992 Blazers 1702 MJ
1991 Lakers 1697 MJ
1996 Sonics 1695 MJ
1993 Suns 1634 MJ

Ok lol

Only teams MJ played that were in the same league as lebron were the jazz, and MJ's bulls at that point were absolutely stacked
Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
Lmao Jordan played some of the weakest finals opponents of any all time great
SRS of Jordan's finals opponents: 6.73, 6.94, 6.27, 7.40, 7.97, 5.73
SRS of Lebron's finals opponents: 8.35, 4.41, 6.44 (WIN), 6.67 (WIN), 8.00, 10.01, 10.38 (WIN), 11.35, 5.79, 2.59 (WIN)

4 Of Jordan's title wins were against better teams than any of Lebron's wins except his win against the Warriors which is a very impressive feat. The Warriors at their peak were better than any team Jordan had to play (those teams were insane,) but that's the only point I'll grant. And Lebron started the super team shenanigans anyway, so it's his fault he faced such a stacked team.
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Originally Posted By DukeOfWoodBerry⏩
SRS of Jordan's finals opponents: 6.73, 6.94, 6.27, 7.40, 7.97, 5.73
SRS of Lebron's finals opponents: 8.35, 4.41, 6.44 (WIN), 6.67 (WIN), 8.00, 10.01, 10.38 (WIN), 11.35, 5.79, 2.59 (WIN)

4 Of Jordan's title wins were against better teams than any of Lebron's wins except his win against the Warriors which is a very impressive feat. The Warriors at their peak were better than any team Jordan had to play but that's the only point I'll grant. And Lebron started the super team shenanigans anyway, so it's his fault he faced such a stacked team.
How you gonna say Lebron started the super team when the Bulls were a super team for 10 years?
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
How you gonna say Lebron started the super team when the Bulls were a super team for 10 years?
Super team through free agency. The Bulls only had 2 stars, Jordan and Pippen both drafted by the Bulls.
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