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Thread: LeBron and MJ are tied as the GOATs

post 1619182111 10-12-2020, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted By DukeOfWoodBerry⏩
Super team through free agency. The Bulls only had 2 stars, Jordan and Pippen both drafted by the Bulls.
Does that make them somehow less stars and less of a superteam because they were drafted vs being signed?

Sounds like the Bulls just had an amazing GM
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
Does that make them somehow less stars and less of a superteam because they were drafted vs being signed?

Sounds like the Bulls just had an amazing GM
My point is Lebron paved the way for Durant's move to the Warriors. So the fact he played some insanely stacked team was partly his own doing.
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Originally Posted By DukeOfWoodBerry⏩
My point is Lebron paved the way for Durant's move to the Warriors. So the fact he played some insanely stacked team was partly his own doing.
Pretty weak argument
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
Pretty weak argument
Not at all. That move never happens if Lebron didn't do it first. You already got exposed with a lack of knowledge trying to claim Jordan's finals opponents were weak.
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Originally Posted By DukeOfWoodBerry⏩
Not at all. That move never happens if Lebron didn't do it first. You already got exposed with a lack of knowledge trying to claim Jordan's finals opponents were weak.
How was I exposed? His finals opponents were weak. Only the Jazz were on par with Lebron's finals opponents

https://ca.nba.com/news/the-last-dan...f1kuizb90rbd7y

Every Finals Opponent
Team Rating Opponent
2017 Warriors 1850 LeBron
2015 Warriors 1802 LeBron
2016 Warriors 1790 LeBron
1998 Jazz 1762 MJ
1997 Jazz 1751 MJ
2012 Thunder 1737 LeBron
2014 Spurs 1730 LeBron
2011 Mavericks 1717 LeBron
2013 Spurs 1711 LeBron
2018 Warriors 1710 LeBron
2007 Spurs 1705 LeBron
1992 Blazers 1702 MJ
1991 Lakers 1697 MJ
1996 Sonics 1695 MJ
1993 Suns 1634 MJ
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
How was I exposed? His finals opponents were weak. Only the Jazz were on par with Lebron's finals opponents

https://ca.nba.com/news/the-last-dan...f1kuizb90rbd7y

Every Finals Opponent
Team Rating Opponent
2017 Warriors 1850 LeBron
2015 Warriors 1802 LeBron
2016 Warriors 1790 LeBron
1998 Jazz 1762 MJ
1997 Jazz 1751 MJ
2012 Thunder 1737 LeBron
2014 Spurs 1730 LeBron
2011 Mavericks 1717 LeBron
2013 Spurs 1711 LeBron
2018 Warriors 1710 LeBron
2007 Spurs 1705 LeBron
1992 Blazers 1702 MJ
1991 Lakers 1697 MJ
1996 Sonics 1695 MJ
1993 Suns 1634 MJ
I already gave you the numbers lol. Lebron has the best finals win against the Warriors. Then Jordan has the next 4. Lebron lost to the Mavs who were worse than any team Jordan played in the Finals. I don't know how the metric you're using is calculated. I like 538 but need to see their methodology. I've always used SRS.
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Originally Posted By DukeOfWoodBerry⏩
I already gave you the numbers lol. Lebron has the best finals win against the Warriors. Then Jordan has the next 4. Lebron lost to the Mavs who were worse than any team Jordan played in the Finals.
Not at all, I literally just gave the team ratings. MJ's teams were all worse minus the Jazz. Can you not read?

Mavs were the only bad loss in Lebron's Finals career
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
Not at all, I literally just gave the team ratings. MJ's teams were all worse minus the Jazz. Can you not read?

Mavs were the only bad loss in Lebron's Finals career
Lmao I'm confused can Duke not read?

My guess is no based on my experience with him
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
Lmao I'm confused can Duke not read?

My guess is no based on my experience with him
I don't think he can. I mean I linked the article to him and even copied and pasted the evidence, and he was just like "lol can't read"

I guess I feel bad making fun of an illiterate person now?
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
Not at all, I literally just gave the team ratings. MJ's teams were all worse minus the Jazz. Can you not read?

Mavs were the only bad loss in Lebron's Finals career
You realize in the methodology you posted, they take Finals games results into account. So the fact that some of those teams beat Lebron boosted their scores while Jordan beating his opponents in the Finals lowered their scores. Didn't read/can't understand the methodology. Wouldn't expect any less from a retard voting for Jo Jorgensen.
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
How was I exposed? His finals opponents were weak. Only the Jazz were on par with Lebron's finals opponents

https://ca.nba.com/news/the-last-dan...f1kuizb90rbd7y

Every Finals Opponent
Team Rating Opponent
2017 Warriors 1850 LeBron
2015 Warriors 1802 LeBron
2016 Warriors 1790 LeBron
1998 Jazz 1762 MJ
1997 Jazz 1751 MJ
2012 Thunder 1737 LeBron
2014 Spurs 1730 LeBron
2011 Mavericks 1717 LeBron
2013 Spurs 1711 LeBron
2018 Warriors 1710 LeBron
2007 Spurs 1705 LeBron
1992 Blazers 1702 MJ
1991 Lakers 1697 MJ
1996 Sonics 1695 MJ
1993 Suns 1634 MJ
2012 OKC Thunder is ranked 6th all time 'strongest' team on that list according to your bull**** source...have fun with that you fuking retard lmfao



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Originally Posted By ClevageGobbler⏩
2012 OKC Thunder is ranked 6th all time 'strongest' team among ALL NBA teams according to your bull**** source...have fun with that you fuking retard lmfao



Retard alert!
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
Retard alert!
Edited, I'll admit it was a mistake. Still doesn't change the fact that you're a retard motherfuker for thinking the 2012 OKC Thunder are better than the 1992 Blazers,2007 Spurs, 2018 Warriors, 2013 Spurs, 2014 Spurs. Your source is literally a ****ing number........a single number you cannot even explain probably, trying to rank a ****ing NBA Team. You don't have a clue as to what goes into winning games. Especially if you think LeBron is better than Jordan. Keep the excuses coming *******
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Originally Posted By ClevageGobbler⏩
Edited, I'll admit it was a mistake. Still doesn't change the fact that you're a retard motherfuker for thinking the 2012 OKC Thunder are better than the 1992 Blazers,2007 Spurs, 2018 Warriors, 2013 Spurs, 2014 Spurs. Your source is literally a ****ing number........a single number you cannot even explain probably, trying to rank a ****ing NBA Team. You don't have a clue as to what goes into winning games. Especially if you think LeBron is better than Jordan. Keep the excuses coming *******
Why you have to be mad? lol
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You've been saying that they are both GOAT for a while now..... You're implying that this championship did nothing by still saying the same erroneous bull****. Lmao


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There is only one goat, and his name is Michael Jeffrey Jordan.

DO NOT take his name in vain
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Originally Posted By Lunatic⏩
You've been saying that they are both GOAT for a while now..... You're implying that this championship did nothing by still saying the same erroneous bull****. Lmao


inb4 deflection
I don't base my opinion of a player on 1 championship.. I can see that LeBron is bigger, faster, stronger, more clutch, more efficient, more versatile, and playing in a much tougher league than Jordan

I will always give respect to Jordan because he played who was in front of him.. but LeBron gets to 5 and eventually he'll become the all time points leader and have 40+k points, 10+k rebounds, and 10+k assists and that record is probably standing for 50+ yrs. All that would make him the undisputed GOAT
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
I don't base my opinion of a player on 1 championship.. I can see that LeBron is bigger, faster, stronger, more clutch, more efficient, more versatile, and playing in a much tougher league than Jordan

I will always give respect to Jordan because he played who was in front of him.. but LeBron gets to 5 and eventually he'll become the all time points leader and have 40+k points, 10+k rebounds, and 10+k assists and that record is probably standing for 50+ yrs. All that would make him the undisputed GOAT
Show all those records to a random no bball watcher and they will think he has 8 rings. Meanwhile...

That just shows what he should be, but isnt. You proved the point
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Originally Posted By mandarino⏩
Show all those records to a random no bball watcher and they will think he has 8 rings. Meanwhile...

That just shows what he should be, but isnt. You proved the point
This post is the definition of low IQ babble. Do better, HA.
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ITT

lebronies don't know the difference between teaming up via FA vs via trade and building a super team from the ground up.
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Originally Posted By nikonD70s⏩
ITT

lebronies don't know the difference between teaming up via FA vs via trade and building a super team from the ground up.
So what you're saying that Jerry Krause deserves all the credit for the Bulls?
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
I don't base my opinion of a player on 1 championship.. I can see that LeBron is bigger, faster, stronger, more clutch, more efficient, more versatile, and playing in a much tougher league than Jordan

I will always give respect to Jordan because he played who was in front of him.. but LeBron gets to 5 and eventually he'll become the all time points leader and have 40+k points, 10+k rebounds, and 10+k assists and that record is probably standing for 50+ yrs. All that would make him the undisputed GOAT
IF LeBron gets to five you mean. If he wins five rings, I'll put him ahead of Kobe Bryant. But the guy is 36 next year, how on earth he will manage to keep this up, is beyond me. Unless AD magically gains some sense and starts preserving his energy in games, it's going to be a very tough road. All these teams have LAL number now that they're champs. I think AD and Kuzma are going to have to step up big, KCP continue to get better if they are to repeat. Caruso will continue to grow, not worried about him. Rondo if he can remain healthy is invaluable

His records are a testament to his prowess on the court but Wilt Chamberlain probably has more than LeBron can dream of and Wilt was barely trying apparently according to Jerry West and from what I've heard in interviews with Wilt. Records don't mean anything when you go home a loser. Also, LeBron is bigger and faster but what is strength worth when you don't even know how to use it to your advantage? (see: 2011 NBA Finals) More clutch? No, he isn't. LeBron is nowhere near as clutch as Jordan or Kobe Bryant. The work they put in to close games out, that was in their blood boyo. They lived to cut your throat in the 4th when it came time to perform. LeBron shrinks and cowers often, you can see it in his body language and his game. Countless times when he would rather pass to a role player instead of take responsibility and hoist the shot up himself like a man. League isn't tougher either, it's softer. Players are actors now and fall down when you graze them. Jordan had to endure defense LeBron James cannot even fathom. You took the hits and played on back then. There was no flopping tainting the game at large...

When it comes down to it, LeBron fans still have nothing to say as to why he has only won 4 rings compared to Jordan's 6 rings, unless making excuses for him is part of their argument
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
Does that make them somehow less stars and less of a superteam because they were drafted vs being signed?

Sounds like the Bulls just had an amazing GM
In Jordan’s era the owners still ran things, Lebron ushered in the era of the players colluding to team up with another to chase rings to bolster their legacies. Jordan had to operate with constraints.

Compare Jordan who threatened to retire if his GM fired Phil Jackson to Lebron and AD situation. The Bulls GM fired Phil Jackson and called Jordan’s bluff, so Jordan retired. Lebron couldn’t get to the playoffs his first year in the West, so he has to get a second star—AD wants a ring for his legacy and is a client of the sports agency Lebron effectively owns, shockingly behind the scenes it’s indicated that he’ll only sign an extension with the Lakers.

You can call the Bulls dynasties a super team, or the showtime Lakers or the Celtics dynasty but the fact of the matter is that those players had to operate within the same constraints—they were subordinate to the decisions of the GM’s and owners. The top stars call the shots to their personal benefit but to the detriment of the league.

As Jason Whitlock aptly put it Lebron is like a cat that pisses all over everything. He’s ruined the NBA as evidenced by the lowest ratings in history he was just a part of.

Jordan made the NBA more popular than it ever was, Lebron has made it the least. That matters in terms of legacy too.

As if two three peats vs 4 in 10 tries and missing the playoffs your first year in the varsity conference weren’t definitive enough.
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Lebron won the first NBA-AAU championship tournament. Loved it!

Lebron and AD vs Jimmy Butler. What an impressive series to watch. Much enjoyment.
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Originally Posted By ooph⏩
Lebron won the first NBA-AAU championship tournament. Loved it!

Lebron and AD vs Jimmy Butler. What an impressive series to watch. Much enjoyment.
I'm sure that's the kind of matchup Lebrong imagined when he teamed up with Davis to compete for titles.
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Originally Posted By ClevageGobbler⏩
IF LeBron gets to five you mean. If he wins five rings, I'll put him ahead of Kobe Bryant. But the guy is 36 next year, how on earth he will manage to keep this up, is beyond me. Unless AD magically gains some sense and starts preserving his energy in games, it's going to be a very tough road. All these teams have LAL number now that they're champs. I think AD and Kuzma are going to have to step up big, KCP continue to get better if they are to repeat. Caruso will continue to grow, not worried about him. Rondo if he can remain healthy is invaluable

His records are a testament to his prowess on the court but Wilt Chamberlain probably has more than LeBron can dream of and Wilt was barely trying apparently according to Jerry West and from what I've heard in interviews with Wilt. Records don't mean anything when you go home a loser. Also, LeBron is bigger and faster but what is strength worth when you don't even know how to use it to your advantage? (see: 2011 NBA Finals) More clutch? No, he isn't. LeBron is nowhere near as clutch as Jordan or Kobe Bryant. The work they put in to close games out, that was in their blood boyo. They lived to cut your throat in the 4th when it came time to perform. LeBron shrinks and cowers often, you can see it in his body language and his game. Countless times when he would rather pass to a role player instead of take responsibility and hoist the shot up himself like a man. League isn't tougher either, it's softer. Players are actors now and fall down when you graze them. Jordan had to endure defense LeBron James cannot even fathom. You took the hits and played on back then. There was no flopping tainting the game at large...

When it comes down to it, LeBron fans still have nothing to say as to why he has only won 4 rings compared to Jordan's 6 rings, unless making excuses for him is part of their argument
Except LeBron HAS THE MOST PLAYOFF BUZZER BEATERS THAN BOTH MJ AND KOBE COMBINED.. people continue to talk about the "killer mentality" of Kobe, but he was a chucker who continually MISSED in clutch situations. I'll give him credit when attempting to close out a game but his clutch stats in the offs are horrendous. The ONLY person who's close to LeBron is Jordan, and shot less shots and made less on a slightly less efficient pace.

You keep talking about this elite defense, but have you watched 80'-90's ball? It's actually comical how bad it was. Not just that but MJ himself said that he wouldn't be able to do what he did in zone defense. He's on record to saying it limited star players, all the while LeBron is winning a scoring title and carrying trash to finals while MJ had losing records and was unable to get out of the 1st round. LeBron has carried 5 coaches to the NBA finals.. MJ had the greatest coach ever behind him and the 2nd greatest GM ever to build behind him.

Jordan IS A LOSER RECORD WISE WITHOUT PIPPEN.. Pippen in the 6 championship runs had more assists, rebounds,steals, blocks ajf guarded the best player. Jordan only scored more points..... THAT'S IT

Learn your facts. Hopefully i taught you something
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Lol. This dudes hero just “won” and he continues to have meltdown after meltdown. Just glad he didn’t post a nick wright video this time
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Originally Posted By cheerupemokid⏩
In Jordan’s era the owners still ran things.
Classic HA reminiscing on eras when the owners “ran things”, I’m guessing any year before 1865 was your favorite year too?
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Originally Posted By SmashinYoungVag⏩
Lol. This dudes hero just “won” and he continues to have meltdown after meltdown. Just glad he didn’t post a nick wright video this time
This lil boy got owned so bad he decided to just disregard everything I posted and say "ha..... video"
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