not the other way around, wish I could have fit more in the title, but hopefully you get my point.

This is how I see it, it is only us guys, men, who need to be the ones to learn how to get a date, how to get a girlfriend, a girl doesn't need to learn how to get a date or get a boyfriend, because simply put, how does a girl need to learn how to get a date or get a boyfriend when she doesn't have to initiate anything, she doesn't have to do the approaching and asking out, planning and setting up dates, leading the interaction, escalating or progressing things, going in for the first kiss, escalate to sex, etc. it simply "just happens" for them? That's sure what it looks like.

Because typically the way you learn in life is by "doing", "applying", you won't get better at playing a piano, or a certain sport, martial art, if you don't practice regularly, and since all girls have to do is pretty much just dress up and look good, and just stand there, just be passive, they don't really have to take any social actions on their part, because they don't have to be the ones to start conversations, ask for the number, ask out, and all the rest you know, etc. So it makes you wonder what they have to learn.

Gold Jacket Luke, who posts here a lot, he even said this quote when discussing his favorite book the Alabaster Girl: "Also girls have it easier when it comes to learning how to talk to and interact with the opposite sex because guys approach girls. It's the masculine role to initiate. So girls learn very young the basics even if they do nothing."

I already understand and realize that life, reality, society was never meant to be fair, sometimes it is hard to accept and deal with, but i'm also posting this because I find it interesting and curious to see how it works when you look at it from the other perspective, from the other persons shoes. Because it truly seems like it is primarily guys who have to learn, I don't see how girls have to learn since they are passive and don't have to take any social action on their part.

Hahaha nah man, if you date enough you'll come across women who have no idea what they're doing. Actually, that's most women.

Women with good looks are simply born lucky that's it. They can still be retarded like any other girl. Hence why you need to not ever put a girl on a pedestal no matter how great you think she may be (she's not that great).

As a man the only thing you have to learn is how to be a man, lol. You don't need to learn "how to date" or pick up or whatever. You're just putting the girl on a pedestal when you focus on that stuff because you are making *women* the center of your life.

This is why PUA's suck at life and 10 years later they're still struggling to keep a girl. You rarely ever see a PUA with a legit girlfriend.

...ok.

Yep beeing born a women means you can basically go online dating and choose between men to have as much sex as you want.
Beside that you have the same rights that men have and even more. The only thing that can counter this madness are sex robots.

Yeah. Did I miss something? Women don't have to do anything. Men have to do everything in dating.


???

OP has a valid point about men having to put in all the work, but this ^^^^ is also very true.

I really love holding back and making women chase a little.
The things they do when they realize their standard standing there and looking pretty "isn't working".
they sometimes go full retard trying to see if i'm interested. not smooth at all.

I also love getting them over to my place then taking my sweet time making the move.
they don't know what to do and when they try to get me to make a move they legit are awkward AF.
it's funny to me.

I feel sorry for your complaining ass. Born a man at the times we live in, and still manages to complain about it like a ****ing bitch.

For my last dates I took a five min shower, put on some dirty sneakers and didn't even care to fix my hair. You know how long the girls I met had been planning what to wear, do the make up and all that ****? Hours and hours, even talking to their friends about what shoes and clothes to wear. And you say men has to do all the work?

Deciding what to do, when to kiss, when to bang, you realize that is being the leader? And why would you not want to be the leader. You get to choose, it's freedom.

Girls are culturally expected not to sleep around, but for us men it is a sign of high status if we do. How amazing is that?? Girls are past their prime by late 20s, as men we are barely in our prime at 30. She will wonder if you only use her for sex, while you don't have to care about that at all.

You are like a rich person who complains about how easy life as a poor person is, because the poor don't have to worry about all their money.

I don't see it as a curse necessarily. You don't grow or appreciate anything if it's all handed to you.
Guys have to develope a personality/skills or be alone. Under that pressure we make the world move.

This. This is how the world has always worked and wouldn't want it any other way. Nature's way of weeding out all the beta *******s too scared of approaching girls or going after what they want or atleast striving to improve themselves in that regard.

Hey! Guess what? Even if you DO successfully pass on your genes, and the “beta *******s” that are too scared don’t, at the end of the day both of you are dead, and neither of you are going to care who passed on what genes.

There is so much wrong with this post, so much that doesn’t fit with reality, that I honestly don’t know where to begin.

Keep doing you champ!

You gotta be up there in looks. Time and time again it’s the “chads” spouting this rhetoric.

Go ask otaku, go ask psycho. See how they feel about your “freedom” and “being the leader”

It doesn’t work for everyone man, and thinking that it does or should is a huge mistake.

"Why is leading awesome? Because you choose.

Women don't get to choose, they get chosen. Men will bitch and say it's so easy for girls, but that's because they are asking to settle as quick as possible, which makes them weak. If you are a girl and are allowing yourself to be chosen by whoever has the balls to walk up to you, your pool will always be restricted. Most guys won't walk up to you on the street, so either you get lucky and one of your friends introduces you, or you throw your body out there for men at clubs and hope he's not an ******* as well as interested in your body.

However, as a guy if you learn the skills to lead when it comes to seduction, and take what you want, then YOU choose. You won't get every girl you choose, but it doesn't matter because literally every single girl you see is a possibility just waiting for you to take a chance. Doesn't matter if she is on the street, in a club, at a friend's house, or at some shared hobby. You take minimal risk of rejection and in return can get what you want from who you want.

That's why I see "Leading" as a blessing and not a curse."

That's what another guy said and I disagree with him, it kind of goes with I feel and even use that as well that women do the choosing because since we are the ones that approach them and ask them out that means they are in the position of accepting or declining

A good analogy for example is applying for jobs, the person who determines who gets hired is the employer itself, not the person who is applying for the job

yeah but the point is they can only accept or reject whoever asks them out

Eh, I see a girls options like a buffet. You don't have any say what's on the buffet, but there is still plenty of appetizing options and you can choose to ignore the groce crap.

Women are always confused when I say I have never had a girlfriend and I am a virgin.
They literally ask "Why"?
Why? like I have a choice in the matter.
Obviously because women havent wanted to have sex with me.. or date me.

They cant understand how someone doesnt have options

Insightful post. One of the more accurate things posted here outside the constant complaining and poor poor me attitudes.

Wrong...some women are even more clueless than men when it comes to dating.

To be fair though on a woman that can be attractive
But not for a guy

You can have girls who are bad with guys too but they'll still have guys pursuing even if they act autistic. Some girl friends of mine are like this. Girls always complain that no guy up to their standards talk to them. Also a decent amount approach or throw out very strong hints to guys they're interested in.

Being a guy sucks sometimes for sure, I don't meet girls ever except at bars or off tinder bc I'm a STEMcell and the few interactions I have with any girls anymore are horrible for approaching. Girls also prefer to date through mutual connections or through some shared activity so if you don't have time for that and all your friends are stem cells you're phuked. It is nice being able to pick who you want to approach. What's big for guys and what sucks for girls is they basically have a 5-10 year window before their value plummets to chit. Sure they can still be hot after that window but they'll always be seen by high value guys as coming with at least some baggage. Guys don't have that constant pressure looming in the back of their mind about finding a girl by a certain age so they can get married and have kids

The problem is if you are an awkward guy and date a girl who isn't outgoing and smart when it comes to dating, then it will just seem like an interview. The guy is supposed to do all the work, but if the girl doesn't help at all then what the **** is the point?

Dating in uncomfortable as fuk unless you get to no the girl a little before hand, and even then it can become awkward pretty quick. I really feel sorry for men who have it together and are trying to date these attractive girls who have 100 other options and look at their phone all the time. Or the ones who sit there and expect the guy to do all the talking where they just answer.

People need to realize that tinder and bars is not how you get girls. You are supposed to be mutually connected with them first through work, friends or a social activity. Cold approaching and bars should be last ****ing resort.

"Your Genes". Basically the genes you got from thousands of people before you that they passed to you. Beeing proud on passing your genes is just mumbo jumpo.

Never did I say that I care about passing my genes on. I pretty much view life like you just said that is we are all going to die one day and none of this bs will matter. That also means I don't want to live a sad and lonely life complaining about things I have no control of like how society works or being scared to go out there and get what I want.

You know, I actually agree with this.
Good point

Meh, girls have agency too. They ask guys out all the time. In 2018 it’s just the way it is. The whole “sitting by the wall preening, hoping he notices” days are over, I’ve seen it myself.

#Savage #Threadkiller


Great input breh

Getting a man's attention is a separate skill from keeping it.

Moms used to teach their daughters this stuff. If you've ever been with a passive woman who doesn't notice when you need a shoulder rub or a cold beer, you know how doomed that woman is.

"It's actually the women that are the real choosers, not the men."
"Guys choose who to approach, but that approach means nothing unless the woman consents to it, therefore it's the women who chooses if any relationship or sex even starts in the first place." I wholeheartedly agree with that statement

There are more than two perspectives OP. Like from a different view point, there are guys that really like that it works this way. Weather you choose to compete with those guys is inconsequential, especially since you have a negative attitude on the whole thing anyway.Women offer themselves up. Guys choose. Not every guy.

It's like you think there is only ever one or two girls wanting that same guy.

It's a matter of preference, not choice.