Unfortunately, fellow men, right now we are suffering due to the actions of our ancestors. We should be able to admit that in the past, in many situations women were oppressed and mistreated. It seems as though the men of days past knew that this day would inevitably come. They restricted women from driving, voting, wearing tight fit clothing, having careers outside the house, and more.

Now, women are on top. They pick what man they want. They have all the followers on Instagram. They make money and become independent just by being pretty. They graduate college at a higher rate than men. An attractive woman is worth more than any man and now they are able to cash in on that sweepstake without limitation because any man, no matter what, is reduced to nothing if he doesn't have an attractive woman to reproduce and have sex with. By them realizing this power, and them withholding sex and being picky, men are in a critical situation.

Fast forward to 2018. Porn is rampant. Do a google search and find your wildest fantasy. So now, not only are women picky, you don't even have the sex drive to approach them because you masturbate and ejaculate to porn all the time. Essentially, dating interactions are becoming very weird. Women are the new men. They have the sexual power, they are self-sufficient, etc. Men of days past thought they could get by on their Y chromosomes forever, and stopped placing importance on the things that made us strong, such as discipline, training, hunting, and leadership. Nowadays women are the ones exhibiting these behaviors (although in a different manner, such as discipline in maximizing their attractiveness) while we have become gluttons and thereby shot ourselves in the foot because as human beings, our success is measured by maximizing our potential. Men nowadays are falling short of their potential and women aren't.

How can we solve this:
Stop indulging in instant gratification activities, work on discipline, great diet, exercise, acquiring knowledge, always telling the truth, and improving social skills. Essentially, work together as men to build each other up instead of compete with each other and destroy each other.

i think whats happening is that women no longer need men based on pure financial status as women themselves have decent paying jobs so they are choosing mating partners based on physical attractiveness.
thats why recent boom in mens grooming industry and increased vanity among younger men.
the good looking guys are on full man whore mode on apps like tinder or from bars whereas average men are finding it more and more difficult to find women.


women are def becoming more picky because they have power to choose now. and they are not looking for commitment

this will definitely have consequences on social structure in next few decades.

but progress of our world doesnt follow linear structure..its more like a circle...when too many men are unemployed and politically charged...we always end up in crisis.

testosterone is helluva drug and runs this world

If you can't get a gf, it's nobody's fault, but your own.

Hot 20-some women havealwaysheld all the cards. Feudal nobles didn't go through months of courtship and pay out their ass in dowries for them cause it was so much fun. Men two generations ago had to literally get in line and compete for them on a dance card. They're the supply that every man alive with a functioning dick demands, and that is never going to change. At least cell phone hookup apps let you get straight to the point.

I think the main root of all this is that society is becoming so atomized that a lot of social bonds people used to have are just fukking breaking down, and I legit think the Internet - not as much social media, but the internet and smart phones in general - is responsible for this. You don't have to go outside, you don't have to talk to people, you don't have to do any activities, cause this all-in-one LCD screen on a box takes care of all that for you. Porn for FA dudes, Instagram likes for hot girls, Twitch streams for lazy 20-somethings, evening Netflix for working stiffs, Youtube music videos for bored middle aged dads, etc etc - you can get a surprising amount of needs met without ever seeing another human being, and that enables alotof vices. A generation or two ago, you had **** like block parties, church groups, bowling clubs, etc, where you could go out and engage with other real people if you were bored. People don't even bother any more cause the Internet is frankly way more fun in the short term.

Japan is seen, not unfairly, as the canary in the coal mine. They literally have a generation of 20-some dudes fapping into body pillows while millions of 25-40 chicks go unmarried, and why the hell not? Good jobs are becoming scarce, they're becoming more and more competitive to get (I think the Univ. of Tokyo has like a 1% admit rate?) and the penalties for failing at that career ladder are becoming more and more severe. Then they look at their own fathers and realize that the prize for winning this game is becoming a disposable salaryman with a nagging wife and a shut-in kid. So if these guys fall off the track early, they're just like "why the **** should I even bother?" Why bother with a job if it's just going to be some low-wage dead end crap? Why bother trying to make IRL friends when you can already talk about video games all day on 4chan? And why the hell would you want a woman when jacking it to hentai is a billion times easier?

It's not entirely 100% applicable to the West, as their are some Japanese cultural norms re: families that really enable NEETing it up, but I think the roots of the problem are the same throughout the first world. The real world just keeps getting ****tier as the Internet and technology keeps providing more and more, so more people of either gender are making the logical choice and basically checking the **** out of IRL. When's the last time you saw someone walking around who's face wasn't jammed in a cell phone? They wouldn't be doing it if there wasn't a benefit. And like Ranger brah said, ****'s going to get really whacked once VR and stuff start kicking in and those last reasons for Joe Blow to step outside and engage with the real world start going away.

Your looks are all that matter to you?
That and your crushing self loathing is how you define yourself on here ...master troll

And yet still you attract women by posting your pic on some dumb app and they come over and want to actually have sex with you

Ugly people win in many walks of life

When they aren’t victims

The least appealing human trait for anyone is self pity...fuk off with at chit and man up

Unfortunately, fellow men, right now we are suffering due to the actions of our ancestors. We should be able to admit that in the past, in many situations women were oppressed and mistreated. It seems as though the men of days past knew that this day would inevitably come.They restricted women from driving, voting, wearing tight fit clothing, having careers outside the house, and more.

Now, women are on top. They pick what man they want. They have all the followers on Instagram. They make money and become independent just by being pretty. They graduate college at a higher rate than men. An attractive woman is worth more than any man and now they are able to cash in on that sweepstake without limitation because any man, no matter what, is reduced to nothing if he doesn't have an attractive woman to reproduce and have sex with. By them realizing this power, and them withholding sex and being picky, men are in a critical situation.

Fast forward to 2018. Porn is rampant. Do a google search and find your wildest fantasy. So now, not only are women picky, you don't even have the sex drive to approach them because you masturbate and ejaculate to porn all the time. Essentially, dating interactions are becoming very weird. Women are the new men. They have the sexual power, they are self-sufficient, etc. Men of days past thought they could get by on their Y chromosomes forever, and stopped placing importance on the things that made us strong, such as discipline, training, hunting, and leadership. Nowadays women are the ones exhibiting these behaviors (although in a different manner, such as discipline in maximizing their attractiveness) while we have become gluttons and thereby shot ourselves in the foot because as human beings, our success is measured by maximizing our potential. Men nowadays are falling short of their potential and women aren't.

How can we solve this:
Stop indulging in instant gratification activities, work on discipline, great diet, exercise, acquiring knowledge, always telling the truth, and improving social skills. Essentially, work together as men to build each other up instead of compete with each other and destroy each other.

I think this situation will self correct. More and more andMOREmen are checking out. Eventually the media, social scientists, and etcwill have to address why men aren't bothering to date anymore.


Red Pill beliefs WILL become mainstream. I give it 10 to 30 years.

And your own looks aren't of upmost importance to your self worth, eh?

there’s a difference between being confident because of how you look, even if not perfect, and being so self deprecating and obsessed that you allow it to decimate your self worth

Why do you want a flat stomach? Why not have a landwhale 50 inch waistline stomach?

because it took me a lot of work to regain after having children and illness and I’m fukken proud of me that I got back there

Why post your flat stomach on a website avatar? Why did you do that? Have people never seen a flat stomach before?

because I’m trying to cut and I find this, my final goal progress shot to be motivational and this is a bodybuilding site, this is the body I rebuilt

Or is it because you secretly like getting messages from men about your body to boost your ego / ad narcissm

haven’t had a single one, it’s not now I promote myself on here. My ego is perfectly self sufficient. Actually I lie I’ve had one person call me fat and one rep for abs and a conversation with a couple of posters ..much like any poster posting a progress av

Ugly people don't win in life. Try being a landwhale and see how far you go at job interviews, dating scene, social scene = social mobility.

being fat =/= being ugly ..fat means lazy and lack of self discipline. Not having the skills for a job is worse. Yes the world is easier if attractive but it’s also easier if vibrant or charming

The double standard for men is that they don't have to be landwhales to be considered ugly or worthless genetic stock. They could be 5'7, bald, small frame; traits they have no control, unlike obesity. They could be perfectly normal looking men, just not "hot". All their other positives become meaningless to women. Women will not invest their time to get to know an ugly/average man. They have no biological drive to. It happens all the time. So its only normal for these men to feel angry.

wimen can be not fat and ugly or unappealing too. But yes it’s easier to be female than Male when it comes to sex but not relationship

What we are seeing is a generation of average, slender women who only date and fixate on Chad.
Chad also gets hot girls, but just about every Chad will date/f**k down/spin plates thanks to the ease of social media, smartphones etc. Average women will only chat to Chads/hot guys on social media without realizing how cruel they are being to average men on their own level. Then when avg guy complains, women simply parrot the same **** to protect themselves and blame shift / remove responsibility from themselves. Such as you saying "man up". So predictable that you result to shaming language.

I’m not a young guy but I know quite a few and they don’t emote the same self pity or fatalism that some do on here. In the world I do not believe your truth to be universal

In the long run this means average guys, who maintain their own weight to healthy levels, cannot get girls on their own level, and thus are forced or pushed to date the landwhales or fugugly butch girls. We cannot do that. (Feminists hate us for it, ya know.)

When women don't give you respect its because you are not high on their primal sexual hierarchy radar. One they instinctively service towards whether you like it or not. Yes, you can wish for more pain if you esteem your petty existence more than any higher grade of civilization that can be produced from greater genetic alleviation. Then the chemical computer will read every human being as "green" and not mistreat them the way they mistreated you.

dont know how to answer why you don’t get respect ..but it’s more than how you look it’s how you talk, hold yourself, how in yourself you are

To prevent this for the sake of petty vengeance is not wise. Have your petty vengeance on the blue pilled normie ***gots. Do not have it with the ideal world order of intelligent men because then you are only blindly egotistical, and of a narcissistic sentience thoughtflow sequence.

looks like it should make sense, doesnt


Have petty vengeance only when it can't contrast what is grand, and you will be seen as grand when you draw people's collective attention towards grandness, and you will sync up with it. Though I suppose you also believe you may be unworthy of such a diversion, and would rather be generally be the infamous cumbucket of a white collar Chad.

I worry that this actually is your life plan

Cos from my perspective it’s just Darwinism at work

Men can rise or they can fall into their victimhood (as can women)

Many problems are rooted in victimhood and lack of depth

1) I would love for things to worsen actually and read female takes on the issue. They start getting at each other for why men are pulling out of the game. Just like they grilled each other over Aziz Ansari except 100x worse.

My favorite part is where you shame me and completely disregard my post and subject matter of this thread entirely. This has nothing to do with being a victim or "my plan." The game is more rigged than its ever been. Thats simply the fact. Im saying nothing more and nothing less.

I think this situation will self correct. More and more andMOREmen are checking out. Eventually the media, social scientists, and etcwill have to address why men aren't bothering to date anymore.


Red Pill beliefs WILL become mainstream. I give it 10 to 30 years.

If you can't get a gf, it's nobody's fault, but your own.

Just lol at these sentence. So if a man is 5'0, and looks deformed its his fault?

If a dude is Indian and for some weird weird lives in the hills of West Virginia. Its his fault that his dating pool is smaller because of his background?

If a dude has terets and a terrible stutter its his fault that he also has a smaller dating pool which will make it incredibly harder to get a girlfriend?

If a seemingly normal male works out, gets a decent job, has guy friends, consults his guy friends, and tries for years on end its his fault that he's single? Let me guess. He should snag up some obese or old woman because other wise "its his own fault"

Some of you male posters crack me up. You attack us because you are angry that you cannot control the situation. The idea that your arent in control concerning dating rubs you wrong. So you have to attack people that point out the obvious (that is backed up by numerous studies and data)


Stay mad

They would not even notice. There are today more gays that ever, I don't see women complaining. They don't need men at all.

Last two paragraphs are just completely voluminous gobbledygook ...pretty impressed by that cannot lie

How are you shamed?

You said


You don’t believe this?

Another human is not allowed to worry that someone believes this? Nor have a different perspective on it. A surprisingly large number of miscers are with you, but this place is a unique microcosm not a societal representation

What do you want in your life?

What will you do to get what you want?

How are you shamed?

You said


You don’t believe this?

Another human is not allowed to worry that someone believes this? Nor have a different perspective on it. A surprisingly large number of miscers are with you, but this place is a unique microcosm not a societal representation

A surprisingly large number of miscers are with you,but this place is a unique microcosm not a societal representation

There was an interesting experiment done in the 70’s or 80’s about this. They had several groups of women from all different walks of life, different races, cultures, the whole nine yards determine if they would date a certain man. They were told that this man had traveled the world, did charity work in Africa, was an successful entrepreneur with many ventures, he cooked and spoke multiple languages, all self taught. They were excited—until they saw him. He was 5’2. The women unanimously rejected him. It didn’t matter that he had good hobbies, a great work ethic, was sociable and confident—he just wasn’t attractive to them. Nothing he could do about it.
That’s life. It isn’t fair, right, or wrong—it just IS.

It’s when we put a story behind it, when we have expectations of others, and put our happiness in whether a girl says “ yes” or “ no”, that’s where we get tripped up.

That’s why I laugh when guys on here tell guys to “go out and skydive, hike, join a club, or dance class!” “Be interesting!”

If she isn’t attracted to you, none of that matters.

But that’s ok. That’s life, I want us guys to stop getting caught in the inevitability of it all. Most girls aren’t gonna like us, that’s how nature works. Accepting this fact, and moving on to our individual pursuits and passions, instead of getting caught up in the disillusionment and dissapointment of modern dating.

Go your own way men, but do it YOUR way. Don’t be bitter and angry about biology. Don’t be angry that women get sex 10x easier than men. Just breathe, let it go, accept where you are, and try to date if you feel you can. Just understand rejection, flakes, and ghosting is a part of that just like creatine, muscle soreness, and potential injury is a part of bodybuilding.

There was an interesting experiment done in the 70’s or 80’s about this. They had several groups of women from all different walks of life, different races, cultures, the whole nine yards determine if they would date a certain man. They were told that this man had traveled the world, did charity work in Africa, was an successful entrepreneur with many ventures, he cooked and spoke multiple languages, all self taught. They were excited—until they saw him. He was 5’2. The women unanimously rejected him. It didn’t matter that he had good hobbies, a great work ethic, was sociable and confident—he just wasn’t attractive to them. Nothing he could do about it.
That’s life. It isn’t fair, right, or wrong—it just IS.

It’s when we put a story behind it, when we have expectations of others, and put our happiness in whether a girl says “ yes” or “ no”, that’s where we get tripped up.

That’s why I laugh when guys on here tell guys to “go out and skydive, hike, join a club, or dance class!” “Be interesting!”

If she isn’t attracted to you, none of that matters.

But that’s ok. That’s life, I want us guys to stop getting caught in the inevitability of it all. Most girls aren’t gonna like us, that’s how nature works. Accepting this fact, and moving on to our individual pursuits and passions, instead of getting caught up in the disillusionment and dissapointment of modern dating.

Go your own way men, but do it YOUR way. Don’t be bitter and angry about biology. Don’t be angry that women get sex 10x easier than men. Just breathe, let it go, accept where you are, and try to date if you feel you can. Just understand rejection, flakes, and ghosting is a part of that just like creatine, muscle soreness, and potential injury is a part of bodybuilding.