Getting a man's attention is a separate skill from keeping it.

Moms used to teach their daughters this stuff. If you've ever been with a passive woman who doesn't notice when you need a shoulder rub or a cold beer, you know how doomed that woman is.

Women are the ones hiring and men are the ones running around with resumes trying to get hired

exactly I never understood why so many guys think we do the choosing and make it seem like as if we have all the power and girls have no power at all

Chad and Jamal do.

exactly I never understood why so many guys think we do the choosing and make it seem like as if we have all the power and girls have no power at all

Chad and Jamal do.

well come on how often do women approach men in bars or ask men out on dates first or ask for their phone number first? Almost never happens

Ehhh IME even average and below average guys do some choosing. Getting friend zoned by fat and balding guys sucks.

Ehhh IME even average and below average guys do some choosing. Getting friend zoned by fat and balding guys sucks.

Ehhh IME even average and below average guys do some choosing. Getting friend zoned by fat and balding guys sucks.

I dont know why you guys think dating is this automatic thing for women. Do you see how many articles are pushed towards women changing themselves for a man? How many articles are out there about women not veering from the "unspoken rules"? How much pressure society puts on women if we're single? Its not easy. It seems that many here think we walk outside and quality men approach us 24/7 and we dont have any pressure at all in dating. Its bs.

Men do choose lol. A lot of guys here sound really young and like they havent had the opportunity to even do slight choosing. So many of my single girlfriends are insecure af when it comes to men especially now with the whole dating app stuff.

I dont know why you guys think dating is this automatic thing for women. Do you see how many articles are pushed towards women changing themselves for a man? How many articles are out there about women not veering from the "unspoken rules"? How much pressure society puts on women if we're single? Its not easy. It seems that many here think we walk outside and quality men approach us 24/7 and we dont have any pressure at all in dating. Its bs.


Men do choose lol. A lot of guys here sound really young and like they havent had the opportunity to even do slight choosing. So many of my single girlfriends are insecure af when it comes to men especially now with the whole dating app stuff.

Women are the ones hiring and men are the ones running around with resumes trying to get hired

That's not choosing.

"To choose" by definition means to select something from at least two options.

Rejecting a girl doesn't mean we're going to bed with another.

well probably because, the vast majority of people in the world who surpass their mid-20's or reach their 30's without ever having had a relationship before, are almost always guys, men, male.

Its because they have not grown into men yet.

Some men kiss there first girl at a party and date her for the next 5 years. They aren't men yet but it fell in their lap.

Other men don't get these opportunities/ realise their opportunities, you are probably missing them, If I am at the gym I can tell which girls like me and wouldn't mind me approaching them, some its subtle some its plain obvious. Girls always make the first move, by showing you what they want.

You just have to be confident and believe in yourself.

Its because they have not grown into men yet.

Some men kiss there first girl at a party and date her for the next 5 years. They aren't men yet but it fell in their lap.

Other men don't get these opportunities/ realise their opportunities, you are probably missing them, If I am at the gym I can tell which girls like me and wouldn't mind me approaching them, some its subtle some its plain obvious. Girls always make the first move, by showing you what they want.

You just have to be confident and believe in yourself.

how did it fall in their lap? Because girls don't initiate normally

not the other way around, wish I could have fit more in the title, but hopefully you get my point.

This is how I see it, it is only us guys, men, who need to be the ones to learn how to get a date, how to get a girlfriend, a girl doesn't need to learn how to get a date or get a boyfriend, because simply put, how does a girl need to learn how to get a date or get a boyfriend when she doesn't have to initiate anything, she doesn't have to do the approaching and asking out, planning and setting up dates, leading the interaction, escalating or progressing things, going in for the first kiss, escalate to sex, etc. it simply "just happens" for them? That's sure what it looks like.

Because typically the way you learn in life is by "doing", "applying", you won't get better at playing a piano, or a certain sport, martial art, if you don't practice regularly, and since all girls have to do is pretty much just dress up and look good, and just stand there, just be passive, they don't really have to take any social actions on their part, because they don't have to be the ones to start conversations, ask for the number, ask out, and all the rest you know, etc. So it makes you wonder what they have to learn.

Gold Jacket Luke, who posts here a lot, he even said this quote when discussing his favorite book the Alabaster Girl: "Also girls have it easier when it comes to learning how to talk to and interact with the opposite sex because guys approach girls. It's the masculine role to initiate. So girls learn very young the basics even if they do nothing."

I already understand and realize that life, reality, society was never meant to be fair, sometimes it is hard to accept and deal with, but i'm also posting this because I find it interesting and curious to see how it works when you look at it from the other perspective, from the other persons shoes. Because it truly seems like it is primarily guys who have to learn, I don't see how girls have to learn since they are passive and don't have to take any social action on their part.

Yes they do it’s not as obvious but if a female isn’t signalling interest through eye contact and body language before first approach you better have superlative social skills to make a connection

What's better being a man and not being approached by lots of women or being a woman but being approached by lots of dudes (lots of guys you don't even like) all week long? As a man you have to do the approaching and get her to become your girlfriend I guess. As a woman you have a passive role just wait for guys to notice you and go on dates. It's almost like being an employer and filtering a bunch of applicants for the position you are hiring. It can get quite exhausting too. On the other hand as a employee you can apply to several different companies.

it may not SEEM easy from a womens' perspective, but it is FAR FAR FAR easier than for men. Women only say its hard because its difficult for them to find a guy that meets their requirementsf for just getting to know a guy to on a date with him, which are typically far, far, far more stringent than men. You are making it too hard on yourselves, its not societies fault.

If you a women and not fat, nice, and can carry a decent conversation, you can throw on makeup and a nice dress and pretty much talk to any single guy and land a date. you can go on dating apps and get flooded with messages.

And those messages and approaches include men that are decent, but most women reject them because they don't fit their stringent requirements. that's a a cold HARD FACT. the evidence is in messages sent by men that are rejected by women / number of suitors women have just in real life/etc.

Look at my AVI, I have a job, social circle, no problem talking to woman. But I get continously rejected, with only little success (which is actually normal for most men today). my "equivalent" as a woman (very fit body, social, intelligent, good career) would be batting of men like crazy. this goes for almost any situation

Not sure is srs.

All women have to do is look DECENT and be PRESENT. There literally is nothing else to it.

Last time i checked this is not the case for any man. Let alone the average man.

I think people have a hard time coming to terms that like men, women care about looks as well. So yeah, if a woman is not attracted to the men approaching her shes going to not respond/reject. Personally speaking, yes, I know I miss out on potential mates by rejecting men who are not my ideal physically. Its not ONLY about physical traits but since appearance is always the most apparent...

Plenty of men hit on me, but men that I actually want? No. And it has (well, had because im in a relationship now) nothing to do unrealistic standards.

Also I feel like many (key word here - not all) women who have their **** together arent looking for their equivalent. Theyre looking for someone who has all that and more.

I think it would be if societal rules were different. Women are socialized to believe that approaching a man is desperate and forward. But lets not act like men who are the total package dont get the panties thrown at them. My boyfriends brother for example, gets girls flirting with him all the time.