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post 1481684781 02-01-2017, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted By Nedo
Wutt?? Elaborate.
She can cook, I cook a lot, actually I don't cook, but I have a good cook at HOME MY DAD...she implied she cooks a lot, then doesn't, or just not yet. The biggest red flag though she hints at living at home still and she is 31. Maybe her dad can whip up a nice brunch after Ashley and yours late night debauchery this weekend brother.

I prefer real life meeting, the online dating is odd as you miss out on a lot of the emotions and body language that you get in face to face interactions that can help you mold the situation into your favor...those emojis and lol/lmao never measure up to eye movements, leg shifts etc.
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Originally Posted By Nedo
Thanks for sharing Pondus. We have similar styles. I like how you balance lightly attacking her with also showing her your intellectual side. I just bust theirs balls with smart @ss remarks at any opportunity and only the smoke show got defensive about it, although she wasn't overly engaged to begin with as she was hitting me with short replies and asking nothing in return. Think I might send her one last message saying "not much of a sense of humour, huh" to make her feel like an idiotlol. Fully agree that emoji's and lol's are required so she knows you messing around, especially until she gets to know your sarcastic ways. Lets be real, most *******s don't hit her with this kind of chit as they too busy telling her she is beautiful. I think this is very good chit to post as it allows everyone to learn from each other, especially the struggling guys. Following these principles when talking to women goes a long way guys, take notes.

When they don't engage you back after a few messages, do you just next her or keep on as long as she is answering? Thinking back, any of the women I actually met IRL somewhat engaged me. I have always been persistent provided they are answering me. Might reconsider not wasting time on the non engaging ones.
If she doesn't engage or it's one sided, I let it fizzle. She has be able to reciprocate and keep the conversation going because I get bored easily.
Originally Posted By Nedo
This is my message history with the smoke show I was talking about (yours truly in blue). After further analysis, I think I made her feel stupid for not knowing how to cook so she got defensive, meh lmao. I just messaged her now again asking how her week went. Decided not to make her feel like a bigger idiot with the "not much of a sense of humour" comment I mentioned earlier lol. Although this was a fail, I would not change my style whatsoever. The purpose of posting this is for the principles brahs (and so we can laugh) so pay close attention to the principles.

Vick: let me know if you don't want this kind of chit in here bud.
I have some feedback, which may help others.

1.) Talking about too much at once. The bit about the pictures was good, I would have separated that from the rest and played that out a bit more first.

2.)When that died out I would ask about fave restaurants letting her know some of my favorite places, too. If she hasn't been to one or any of them, that's a perfect thing to spin back around to one I know she is hooked to ask her out.

3.)I never would have bough up the cooking thing. That was a complete segue and it's obvious to me you were were steering just to bust her balls instead of letting come about organically. You had a lot to work with in the fashion show and restaurants that could have evolved into 1 of 1000 other topics before even getting to what YOU did over the weekend. IE: if the covo died out, instead of being completely random, you could start it back up with that because it was already on the table.

4.) "Ahh busted the truth is out. lol" that's it, no more explanation is needed. Let her connect the dots. If you had left it just at that, I don't think she she would have raised her bitch shield on you. I think you pushed her just a bit too far, gotta know when to dial it back.

I think overall, you just a bit too aggressive and "steeling the show." You have to make her think she is the star of the show, even though we both know you are. Your teasing and cocky/confident remarks need to be more subtle and spread out. You don't want her to know what you are doing. I've never been accused of being cocky or overconfident, but I definitely am!

All-in-all, you have skills, but don't rush it. Always be thinking "organic". I think if you slow it down, you will nail it every time. The advantage of text is that you can consider the possible ways she might react before ever pressing send.

You know one thing I always tell my kids: If you are thinking of a response, you are not really listening.
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post 1481698761 02-01-2017, 02:14 PM
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About pondus's text game, I'm not knocking it or anything but he takes a long time to get straight to the point. For me, I found that the longer I wait, the more likely they're gonna lose interest, at least if they're on Tinder or POF and especially if they're around my age or younger. With text messages, I try to keep the text to a minimum and go for availability to hang out/date. I guess at the same time he's dealing with more mature women that are willing to play the long game (fuk that sounded so corny)
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Originally Posted By Nedo
The way you say chit in text matters as well. You want to seem vibrant, energetic, fun and positive.
I actually really like your texting style! I'm very verbally expressive, myself, and I like talking to people who also exude passion and excitement through their words. It's good vibes all around.

Her on the other hand...she barely asked you questions, let alone any interesting ones. You're a great conversationalist, but it was like she just seemed to answer your ques and wait for the next one! She didn't put in the same effort to have a mutually enjoyable discussion. I would NEVER continue texting a guy who was so boring and lazy as a conversationalist.
Originally Posted By xvicknumber7x
For girls I just met in person I don't text that way at all. I just keep it brief and text plans geenrally, that is unless she really finds a way to intrigue me. Then I'll get more talkative.
I would personally feel exhausted after text conversations like Nedo's and pondus', especially if they weren't giving much back.
Yes on both counts! I honestly am so grateful I didn't have to deal with the online dating sh!t. My guy and me reconnected by chance when we saw each other out one night, and we really only text regarding plans or random inside jokes. We never have full on convos by text, only in person. Keeps things simple
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Originally Posted By BlackScorpio91
About pondus's text game, I'm not knocking it or anything but he takes a long time to get straight to the point. For me, I found that the longer I wait, the more likely they're gonna lose interest, at least if they're on Tinder or POF and especially if they're around my age or younger. With text messages, I try to keep the text to a minimum and go for availability to hang out/date. I guess at the same time he's dealing with more mature women that are willing to play the long game (fuk that sounded so corny)
I didn't get to it, but 90% of the time, the woman is asking when she can meet me, even this one. When your game is on point, she will do all the work for you.

When you are going for the meet up right away, you are setting the stage for yourself to be the entertainer. If you were to have already proven that you are the entertainer, then she knows she's the one that has to step up her game and this carries into the first date.

You have to give her something to think about while you two are not talking to allow the attraction to keep developing.

I've never had a bad first date. The woman are always engaging because I already set the tone that they need to step up their game with me, which I get to just sit back and be myself.
Originally Posted By daisygirl713
I actually really like your texting style! I'm very verbally expressive, myself, and I like talking to people who also exude passion and excitement through their words. It's good vibes all around.

Her on the other hand...she barely asked you questions, let alone any interesting ones. You're a great conversationalist, but it was like she just seemed to answer your ques and wait for the next one! She didn't put in the same effort to have a mutually enjoyable discussion. I would NEVER continue texting a guy who was so boring and lazy as a conversationalist.
I agree the excitement was good, but he was so aggressive he never really gave her a chance. She was constantly on the defensive. She was totally responsive, but he never passed the ball into her court. The best conversationalists, listen.

Sometimes the smallest tweaks make the biggest difference.
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post 1481716661 02-01-2017, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted By pondus_levo
I agree the excitement was good, but he was so aggressive he never really gave her a chance. She was constantly on the defensive. She was totally responsive, but he never passed the ball into her court. The best conversationalists, listen.

Sometimes the smallest tweaks make the biggest difference.
Okay, but she was literally answering his [interesting] questions, and then never even asking him the same thing back, or adding any questions of her own! TBH, he really didn't have much to work with there.
I actually see it totally opposite to you regarding throwing the ball in her court...I felt he was trying to cast a wide net of questions, hoping one would hook her into passion/excitement, and they'd be able to take off from there and have a fulfilling exchange. This girl just seemed bored and totally uninterested in making convo. I feel Nedo should go for someone more fun-loving, because his questions were pretty awesome! I'd have been impressed right off the bat with his unique curiosity.

I also agree that listening is an art form and when mastered, is a truly amazing social skill [albeit rare]. However when you're trying to get to know someone, and all they do is answer your questions...without even trying to reciprocate, it's a put off. I'd rather NOT even bother with them, because a one way exchange is a waste of time.
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Originally Posted By daisygirl713
Okay, but she was literally answering his [interesting] questions, and then never even asking him the same thing back, or adding any questions of her own! TBH, he really didn't have much to work with there.
I actually see it totally opposite to you regarding throwing the ball in her court...I felt he was trying to cast a wide net of questions, hoping one would hook her into passion/excitement, and they'd be able to take off from there and have a fulfilling exchange. This girl just seemed bored and totally uninterested in making convo. I feel Nedo should go for someone more fun-loving, because his questions were pretty awesome! I'd have been impressed right off the bat with his unique curiosity.

I also agree that listening is an art form and when mastered, is a truly amazing social skill [albeit rare]. However when you're trying to get to know someone, and all they do is answer your questions...without even trying to reciprocate, it's a put off. I'd rather NOT even bother with them, because a one way exchange is a waste of time.
I get what you are saying. I agree, he was interesting and asks great questions. He has excellent game, but if I were her, I'd be like, "Damn ease up with all the questions and cocky comments, lets actually stop for a moment and discuss something." which, he had plenty of opportunities to do.

Which, is pretty much what she eluded to by calling him cocky.

I'm not saying anything he did was bad or wrong, I would have just done it slightly different. Who knows, I might have run into the exact same wall.

We also have no insight into how much time between texts, so maybe he was giving her time to reciprocate? It seems like boom-boom-boom, though.

EDIT: I get why you thought it was spot on, you two have very similar wit. I've seen it in your exchanges here. You would have fed off of it and probably would have turned it back on him. You are an alpha female. Most women do not do that.
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Ya'll are texting way too much, particularly before meeting. Set a meeting, and get off the phucking phone. Talk about whatever you want to text about when you meet in person.
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Originally Posted By xvicknumber7x
I will text that way with girls I meet online, via app, etc. (I don't use those tools anymore tbh, and likely will not again.) For girls I just met in person I don't text that way at all. I just keep it brief and text plans geenrally, that is unless she really finds a way to intrigue me. Then I'll get more talkative. I would personally feel exhausted after text conversations like Nedo's and pondus', especially if they weren't giving much back.
This is how I've always gone about it too, although still not quite as 'energetic' as Nedo. I'll be more expressive with girls I don't know, and more direct with girls I've already met unless they're exceptionally playful/witty which is rare. I also don't like constant texts talking about nothing or massive amounts of back and forth before we actually meet up.
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Thanks for opinions. I will give some justification for my madness. I am aggressive because this is online dating. My experience has shown that if you don't stimulate her early and often, she may consider you boring and ghost. This is why I bring the heat early and often, otherwise I am taking a risk when the odds could be in my favour. I will add, this is the only online woman who has ghosted me for being cocky (coincidence, she is also the hottest to date and above me in looks scale) the rest ate it up and gave it back.

You mentioned too much at once; I'm not seeing how I could have effectively elaborated on the pic joke and restaurants (which would be considered boring convo to carry on IMO and is more reserved for IRL, not to mention I don't do dinner on first dates). She also gave a very vague answer in terms of the restaurants which didn't give me much to go on (poor convo skills on her end).

Women want to be entertained, especially her who just sat back and waited for a show so I gave it to her. Afterall, she has 200 messages waiting, remember? Even if it does seem like too much at once, it got her laughing, the change is not abrupt, it flows. You can thank nouning for that. Same thing IRL, I poke at her at any opportunity although I find witty ideas don't come to mind as easy so it is less frequent.

If I didn't make her feel like chit about not knowing how to cook, she may have been in the bag. Even Daisy ate it up (thanks cupcake).

The other thing is, everyone's writing style is different and we all have our own preference. The only thing I would critique about your style Pondus is the filler convo parts, whereas you suggested I do more of this. This attests, we approach with a different writing style/game. As I said, the filler convo is a risk to me so I play my cards with the more sure bet and bring the heat (consistent sarcasm). To each their own I guess, thanks for the critique bruh.
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Originally Posted By pondus_levo
I get what you are saying. I agree, he was interesting. He has excellent game, but if I were her, I'd be like, "Damn easy up with all the questions and cocky comments,lets actually stop for a moment and discuss something."
I def see what you mean when you put it this way...slow down the pace a bit, focus more on the initial topic at hand, and stay there a little while longer, instead of immediately bouncing onto the next topic like a ping-pong exchange.

On a slight tangent, I just love when I am talking to someone, and we randomly stumble upon a topic that awakens a mutual passion in us, and it's like time stops...we delve right in and the convo flows so fluidly; we're totally on the same page as we exchange thoughts and our energies catch fire together. It feels like striking gold with someone
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Originally Posted By pondus_levo
"Damn ease up with all the questions and cocky comments, lets actually stop for a moment and discuss something." which, he had plenty of opportunities to do.

Which, is pretty much what she eluded to by calling him cocky.
I save the date for this kind of stuff.

You could be right, this might be what she wanted, but I believe it is more likely that she was offended.

Things also seemed to bounce around because she was so dull in her responses. Gave me nothing to go on, so I steer the convo to create laughter. I would normally banter her based on her response.
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Originally Posted By Nedo
The other thing is, everyone's writing style is different and we all have our own preference. The only thing I would critique about your style Pondus is the filler convo parts, whereas you suggested I do more of this. This attests, we approach with a different writing style/game. As I said, the filler convo is a risk to me so I play my cards with the more sure bet and bring the heat (consistent sarcasm). To each their own I guess, thanks for the critique bruh.
Good discussion. There are many ways to do the same thing. If that style works for you 99% of the time, no reason to change it.

Sometimes I bring more heat, too. But my approach is to slowly bring the heat and then figure out where the boiling point is. Like with Leti, I ended up gaming her pretty hard as we progressed and she ate it up every point of the way. I really wish I still had those first few convo's. It was seriously some of my best work, but a lot of that had to do with the fact that she was rising to the challenge, allowing me to use that material.
Originally Posted By daisygirl713
I def see what you mean when you put it this way...slow down the pace a bit, focus more on the initial topic at hand, and stay there a little while longer, instead of immediately bouncing onto the next topic like a ping-pong exchange.

On a slight tangent, I just love when I am talking to someone, and we randomly stumble upon a topic that awakens a mutual passion in us, and it's like time stops...we delve right in and the convo flows so fluidly; we're totally on the same page as we exchange thoughts and our energies catch fire together. It feels like striking gold with someone
This is my goal with every woman that I talk to and I always find something.
Originally Posted By Nedo
I save the date for this kind of stuff.

You could be right, this might be what she wanted, but I believe it is more likely that she was offended.

Things also seemed to bounce around because she was so dull in her responses. Gave me nothing to go on, so I steer the convo to create laughter. I would normally banter her based on her response.
Yeah, sounds rough. Some women just don't have the skill and they are not worth the time.

I definitely think you pushed her a bit far. She was laughing at the teasing, but at the same time, she was justifying it (becoming defensive). That's when you know you are pushing the limits and need to back off a lil.

Every woman calibrates at a different level and I don't always get it right. Like when I thought I blew it with Girl 5. Which...

Update:

Girl 5 tried, but could not get time away for lunch this week. She ended up asking me to go to the city with her for a friends bday party Friday night. I told her I would try to find someone to watch the kids, but I had already asked my dad to watch my kids Sat night, so that I could go run a half marathon Sunday morning. I asked if she was free Sat night because I always go get some sushi for dinner before a race and she is welcome to join me. She confirmed for Sat night and Friday is also still on the table if I can manage. She is a total sweetheart. I offered to come down to her (shes' 45 minutes away) and she wouldn't hear of it because I need my sleep before the race.

Things are looking good, bros.
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Originally Posted By pondus_levo
EDIT: I get why you thought it was spot on, you two have very similar wit. I've seen it in your exchanges here. You would have fed off of it and probably would have turned it back on him. You are an alpha female. Most women do not do that.
Lol...youare spot on! Color me impressed
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She confirmed for Sat night and Friday is also still on the table if I can manage. She is a total sweetheart. I offered to come down to her (shes' 45 minutes away) and she wouldn't hear of it because I need my sleep before the race.
Yay!! She seems super considerate, which is such a great trait [one I always take note of]. I'm so pumped for you and I can't wait to hear updates ITT on how the weekend goes for you guys.

I'm actually sick right now...booo, caught a cold. I feel like it'll lift before the weekend though, so I'll let my guy know when I'm feeling better so we can actually hang. No way I'd risk getting him sick, tooAnywho, he plays squash [who plays squash?!?!] every wednesday and I legit know nothing about the game, so I was laughing as he was telling me about his 'skillz' tonight. I'm like,'you better win, cuz if you're not first, you're last!'and he goes,'talladega nights, one of my favs...and ya, I plan on it'
I'm like,'big talk! guess we'll see if you can walk the walk '

BRB ends up winning 19/20 games. I'm like....'danggg, u da real MVP'
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Originally Posted By daisygirl713
Lol...youare spot on! Color me impressed

Yay!! She seems super considerate, which is such a great trait [one I always take note of]. I'm so pumped for you and I can't wait to hear updates ITT on how the weekend goes for you guys.

I'm actually sick right now...booo, caught a cold. I feel like it'll lift before the weekend though, so I'll let my guy know when I'm feeling better so we can actually hang. No way I'd risk getting him sick, tooAnywho, he plays squash [who plays squash?!?!] every wednesday and I legit know nothing about the game, so I was laughing as he was telling me about his 'skillz' tonight. I'm like,'you better win, cuz if you're not first, you're last!'and he goes,'talladega nights, one of my favs...and ya, I plan on it'
I'm like,'big talk! guess we'll see if you can walk the walk '

BRB ends up winning 19/20 games. I'm like....'danggg, u da real MVP'
Don't diss squash - incredible way to burn calories without even thinking about it. Probably the best in my experience, and a lot of fun.
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Don't diss squash - incredible way to burn calories without even thinking about it. Probably the best in my experience, and a lot of fun.
Not dissing AT ALL
I just literally know nothing about the sport & have never met anyone else who played it, lmao. I actually told him that sounds like a fun way to workout, and he's like, 'ya I was surprised how sore I was the next day. Full body workout!'

The more you know...
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Originally Posted By daisygirl713
Lol...youare spot on! Color me impressed

Yay!! She seems super considerate, which is such a great trait [one I always take note of]. I'm so pumped for you and I can't wait to hear updates ITT on how the weekend goes for you guys.

BRB ends up winning 19/20 games. I'm like....'danggg, u da real MVP'
I pay attention ya'll! I'm very good at reading people, even through words on a screen.

Every single text convo we have has some kind of shenanigans going on. She's a lot fun to talk to and I have still yet been able to get her to fall for one of my jokes or setups. She is not gullible AT ALL. After work she msged me:

Her: How was your day?
Me: (wait a few minutes) My day was okay, nothing special happened until a few minutes ago.
Her: What happened a few minutes ago? Did you win the lotto?

-I swear every other woman would have been, "awww how sweet, he's talking about me msging him." She didn't bite AND turned it back on me, but I'm the master, I'm not biting, LOL!

Me: The pizza delivery guy showed up with my dinner.
Me: :P
Her: Hahahahaha good one.
Me: I swear one of these days you are going to fall for one of my jokes. We'll be old and gray, racing down the hallway with our walkers, I'll tell you a joke, and then trip you!
Her: #keeptrying

Then this:

Her: Are you sure you want to go out Sat night before you race?
Me: Of course!
Her: Home by 10, Mr.
Me: We'll see. :P
Her: Oh, I forgot that you don't sleep
Me: Yeah I'm pretty bad about getting enough sleep.
Her: You need a good night of cuddle. It's scientifically proven that it helps a lot.

-WTF, did she go to the pondus_levo college of texting? That's a line I would use.

Her: Che is a great cuddler!!!!

-Her dog, she is bringing him with her on Sat. She completely opened the door for me to get sexual, but I decided not biting would impress her more based on the last time I made a joke about sex.

Me: Okay, he's in. You can sleep on the floor.

We seriously have hours of text convos like this. It's like a chess match to see who cracks first. LOL.

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Originally Posted By pondus_levo
It's like a chess match to see who cracks first. LOL.
that's mind exhausting man.
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Originally Posted By pondus_levo
-Her dog, she is bringing him with her on Sat.She completely opened the door for me to get sexual, but I decided not biting would impress her more based on the last time I made a joke about sex.

We seriously have hours of text convos like this.
Aww...such a sweet, endearing text exchange! Love it...she seems very intriguing.

I also completely agree with your approach to not get sexual through text. From my own POV, I do not welcome that at all until we've already had it and established intimacy beyond sex. I actually abhortalkingabout sex before that bridge has been crossed, because I find it's inauthentic and forced...idk if that makes sense, but I think sex is such a natural, beautiful, sensual activity that to even try and build it up is a waste of time. Just let it happen without words...if there's chemistry, it *will* go down, and the rest will follow.
I hope you feel better. The flu going around is nasty.
Thanks! yes, it is that time of year, huh...luckily no flu but a cold nonetheless :/
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Originally Posted By pondus_levo
Her: You need a good night of cuddle. It's scientifically proven that it helps a lot.
Bullchit. I sleep better when alone in the bed although love sleeping in a bed with a woman lol. I would of went to TOWN responding to that. As you said before, the right woman makes it easy for you to run game. IMO all it takes is a good sense of humour on her end and they eat up the witty sarcasm. If they don't, then this suggests to me that they are boring anyway so its almost like a chit test.

You already know this but she is so chit testing you with this though. I would have thrown it back at her with false accusation. Something like "look at you eh, trying to persuade me into bed based on science. You sure do sail a smooth ship, but I'm onto you and WON'T be having it"
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Originally Posted By Nedo
"look at you eh, trying to persuade me into bed based on science. You sure do sail a smooth ship, but I'm onto you and WON'T be having it"
dare to dream...u couldn't handle navigating these waters
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Bullchit. I sleep better when alone in the bed although love sleeping in a bed with a woman lol.
HA! The interesting thing is, in a LTR, I sleep better when we're in bed together than when i'm alone. me and my ex had our sleeping game down pat. but then again, it took a while to cultivate such intimacy and comfort, so there's that.

with my new guy, we're still in that early, 'figuring it out' phase...last week, at the end of the night, we were spooning in bed, but after like 5 minutes of cuddling/chatting, I make a move to my side, and he's like, 'ahhh you want me to get the fck off u so u can sleep, eh?'
i'm like, 'yep ha'

luckily he has a king size bed, so lots of space to sleep uninterrupted. but it feels like we're so far apart in the morning! i always scoot super close to him when we wake up
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Originally Posted By daisygirl713
dare to dream...u couldn't handle navigating these waters

HA! The interesting thing is, in a LTR, I sleep better when we're in bed together than when i'm alone. me and my ex had our sleeping game down pat. but then again, it took a while to cultivate such intimacy and comfort, so there's that.

with my new guy, we're still in that early, 'figuring it out' phase...last week, at the end of the night, we were spooning in bed, but after like 5 minutes of cuddling/chatting, I make a move to my side, and he's like, 'ahhh you want me to get the fck off u so u can sleep, eh?'
i'm like, 'yep ha'

luckily he has a king size bed, so lots of space to sleep uninterrupted. but it feels like we're so far apart in the morning! i always scoot super close to him when we wake up
Ohhh...but what if I am a submarine

Your man sounds like the type who likes to fall asleep while cuddling. I am like this too even though I don't sleep as well from it. Most women are like you I find, they don't like to be touched when ready to sleep. But I warm them up to it by caressing them to sleep and then they usually end up converting and being cuddlers. Its a man thing for me to ensure my girl falls asleep before I do. Admittedly, I'm a needy little bish in bed, if I wake up in the night, I will always spoon up to her if we are not making some kind of contact lol. I don't call myself THE Mr. Cuddles for nothing ya know.
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Originally Posted By Nedo
Smooth, I like it lol.

Your man sounds like the type who likes to fall asleep while cuddling. I am like this too even though I don't sleep as well from it. Most women are like you I find, they don't like to be touched when ready to sleep. But I warm them up to it by caressing them to sleep and then they usually end up converting and being cuddlers. Its a man thing for me to ensure my girl falls asleep before I do. Admittedly, I'm a needy little bish in bed, if I wake up in the night, I will always spoon up to her if we are not making some kind of contact lol. I don't call myself THE Mr. Cuddles for nothing ya know.
Lol the thing is, I'm not sure where I fall in sleep/cuddle category. My ex was super affectionate, and we'd fall asleep cuddling and wake up cuddling...of course, we wouldn't sleep this way during the night, but every moment of consciousness was us touching.
He def converted me in a big way to the life of affection.

However, I always sleep in that 'fetus' position, and with my guy's massive bed, I'm happy to be on my own side, chilling out while I sleep. We are def cuddling/spooning more during 'sleep time' as things progress, but I'll have to let that organically develop. Ughhh lol...commitment is scary. You gotta jump all these hurdles regarding bathroom use, sleeping together [not sex, but really learning 2 sleep together] food, eating, cooking, cleaning, etc.

Lord have mercy
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Fuuck cuddling. I've had my arm slept on too many times in the past to even think about. Hair in my face, etc. all that shiit that sounds cute that's actually a big time pain in the dick.

brb turning around to sleep in the opposite direction and she asks "are you mad or something?"

no, I just got tired of that side for fuuck sake.
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Originally Posted By daisygirl713
Lol the thing is, I'm not sure where I fall in sleep/cuddle category. My ex was super affectionate, and we'd fall asleep cuddling and wake up cuddling...of course, we wouldn't sleep this way during the night, but every moment of consciousness was us touching.
He def converted me in a big way to the life of affection.

However, I always sleep in that 'fetus' position, and with my guy's massive bed, I'm happy to be on my own side, chilling out while I sleep. We are def cuddling/spooning more during 'sleep time' as things progress, but I'll have to let that organically develop. Ughhh lol...commitment is scary. You gotta jump all these hurdles regarding bathroom use, sleeping together [not sex, but really learning 2 sleep together] food, eating, cooking, cleaning, etc.

Lord have mercy
As you guys continue to get closer, it sounds like things will be like they were with your ex in terms of affection. He is already hinting that he is this way.
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Originally Posted By xvicknumber7x
Fuuck cuddling. I've had my arm slept on too many times in the past to even think about. Hair in my face, etc. all that shiit that sounds cute that's actually a big time pain in the dick.

brb turning around to sleep in the opposite direction and she asks "are you mad or something?"

no, I just got tired of that side for fuuck sake.
Lmao I always pull his arm over my rib cage and hold it there while we spoon. his arm usually ends up in the small of my waist if we fall asleep together. truth be told, there's nothing better than radiating body heat
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As you guys continue to get closer, it sounds like things will be like they were with your ex in terms of affection. He is already hinting that he is this way.
ya, i mean, i hope! he's definitely NOT verbally expressive. like, at all and he never has been. which is opposite to me, lol, cuz i'm verbally expressive to the max.
but his actions are gold. i definitely know this is who he is as a person; no changing it, and i accept it. he shows all of his feelings through actions and physical affection. as much as i'd love to hear more verbal expression, i would take his proven actions any day over that of empty words.

he's actually very much like my dad and sis in that way...they don't express their feelings verbally, but their emotions run deep and their actions illustrate the importance of what they're feeling, especially towards you.
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Originally Posted By xvicknumber7x
Fuuck cuddling. I've had my arm slept on too many times in the past to even think about. Hair in my face, etc. all that shiit that sounds cute that's actually a big time pain in the dick.

brb turning around to sleep in the opposite direction and she asks "are you mad or something?"

no, I just got tired of that side for fuuck sake.
My soft touch would have you clinging onto me boyo, no homo

Just wait for her to fall asleep, then turn away from her. This is what I do when I really need to catch up on sleep.
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Originally Posted By daisygirl713
Lmao I always pull his arm over my rib cage and hold it there while we spoon. his arm usually ends up in the small of my waist if we fall asleep together. truth be told, there's nothing better than radiating body heat
wrong. there's nothing better than a huge bed all to myself.
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My soft touch would have you clinging onto me boyo, no homo

Just wait for her to fall asleep, then turn away from her. This is what I do when I really need to catch up on sleep.
i used to try that. we'd get up in the morning and i'd hear "why'd you end up on the opposite side? are you mad or something?" and i'd just be like "-____- im making breakfast."
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Originally Posted By xvicknumber7x
wrong. there's nothing better than a huge bed all to myself."
LMAO

I feel ya. I legit used to think this way for so long, myself.

Experience changed meIt's so nice waking up with someone, having a person to connect, touch and talk to. Not necessarily someone who impedes your sleep by being all over you, but the falling asleep and waking up together thing is hnnng
Originally Posted By Nedo
My soft touch would have you clinging onto me boyo, no homo

Just wait for her to fall asleep, then turn away from her. This is what I do when I really need to catch up on sleep.
Only works when she can actually let her guard down and fall asleep w/you

Takes a serious level of comfort for me to be able to do this...sleeping is when you're at your most vulnerable. Definitely a good sign when you're with someone who's able to genuinely fall asleep with you
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