lol you dont even know me bro. i got options trust me. i just dont go with them because im not a manwhore.

lol you dont even know me bro. i got options trust me. i just dont go with them because im not a manwhore.

it was cuz someone suggested to delay making a move to make myself "stand out" from other guys and i tried it out. never again. stupid advice, waste of everyones time

i think its a better strategy to always make a move and have her reject if she wants.

your only move at this point imo is to lay your cards down at the table. come out as a beta bitch and say you were afraid to make a move but then also say you want to fuk her brains out

last bit is important so she doesn't see you as a bish

I bet the only reason she gave you her number, is so you can pay her for a massage at her place, so she keeps 100% of the profit.
If a sloot is on her phone during a date, then she's not into you. Jfl.
Got cucked hard son. While you paid for her fancy meal, she was texting other customers.

See that's the thing. I don't care if I **** or not. Especially if its with a girl I see no future with

Ok I realize this is a super old thread but I thought I would post an update, I ended up staying in SF for December 2021 and January 2022. I finally had my own place and everything and I invited her over because we were talking about just having her come over to my place to give me a massage.

So she comes over and checks out the place and suggests I buy a few things to make things smoother, namely a Tatami mat and one of those head rest things. Then she said something to the effect of, "if you go forward with this there's no going back". I suggested for us to go on the roof (it's a really sick roof on the 30th floor with views of the city) but she said no because she was busy or whatever (bs excuse) and she left.

It was at that point that I decided that I didn't want anything to do with the relationship anymore. I stopped texting her, and after about a week or 2 she texts me:
Her: Will I see you today for the session?
Me: me... busy with work today
Her
Her: Haven't seen you awhile
Me: i knowwwwww
Me: work has been killing me
Her: Got a new job?
Me: no, same one
Me: they're giving me a lot more stuff to do now
Her: Gotcha

And that's it. Never talked to her again.

She was cool and all, definitely checked a lot of boxes for me. But something about it felt off. Just the fact that I was paying her to touch my body on a regular basis just really made me feel weird about the whole situation. Every time we were together, there was always a time limit. Whether it was the time limit on the massage itself, or if we were going out to eat, or go for a walk, she always had something to go to afterward within an hour or two. It just seemed like she didn't actually like me.

Like at the time I was super injured and hella out of shape. Now that I'm not injured and am exercising regularly, it seems insane to think that she would be attracted to someone in my position back then. I did not exercise at all, was not flexible, pretty much was a semi-cripple, and then there's this chick that is super in shape, does pilates/yoga every day and massages people for a living. It just doesn't click.

In fact I actually randomly found a TikTok page associated with her and she was apparently with this really fit dude who I think was a dancer and could do the bridge pose. Like... back in 2021 there was no way I could compete with someone like that. I know for a fact that, now that I'm in shape, I wouldneverconsider a woman that was out of shape. So why on earth would she consider this semi-cripple dude a viable partner?

Plus even if I had my **** together back then, I don't even think she would be a good long-term partner for me anyway. First of all she is super foreign and that's kinda a dealbreaker for me. Number two she's like 10 years older than me and is a massage therapist, while I just work a office job. We are just like, completely different people

Either way. I think I simply never had a chance, she just wanted money

Good luck trying men.

Are you ****ing retarded? Did you not read any of the **** I just wrote? Sounds like your #1 goal in life is for your dick to ejaculate in a warm hole. Doesn't matter who what where why and how. Don't care about long term consequences. If anything you're gayer than me for wanting to hook up with random people. It's just as gross as ****ing a mans *******.If you're cool with cumming in random pussies then why not **** a dude in the ass? Not much of a difference if you think about it. Either way you're fruitlessly cumming in a random persons orifice.

I don't know if you're lying to yourself about not wanting her or not but the amount of indirectness is cringe. If you're 25+ you should be able to be more direct. I get it's a bit more awkward given you're a client with hers but once you agreed to meet/talk outside of that dynamic it should've been easy to do so.

Why did you never ask her what she wanted from you and let her know you found her attractive? Go on a real date or w/e and if you weren't feeling it just say so.

You know who else will laugh at all your jokes and take the time to refer you to a friend? Pretty much any other female you pay for a service you dumb twat! Strippers will laugh at your jokes and rub up on you too - doesn't mean they want you to ask them out.

Update

So I've been in NY for the past month and a half.I also have a good massage therapist in NY, but it's a dude, but he's really fking good at his job so I put up with the slight gayness.Plus there's fine women everywhere, you walk outside and you see 9s and 10s all over the place

I had to take care of some business in SF so I flew back last Friday. I didnt realize how much a difference the masks make. You cant go to yoga, gym, cant play indoor basketball, etc etc without having a muzzle on. Plus all the uptight liberals walking around outside by themselves with a mask (even tho there's nobody within 50ft of them)

The night I got here i heard a homeless woman violently screaming at 2am, just screaming "**** you" over and over again at the top of her lungs.... The other day i walked past this homeless dude being confronted by these cops for masturbating in public. And mind you this is a "nice" part of SF, the marina district

Anyway I took care of the business last Saturday, and since then I've just been in this Airbnb counting down the days till I can gtfo (Leaving oct 2). I was planning on not texting her or scheduling a massage, but the flight / drive kinda fked me up so I caved, I texted her on weds, called her work and scheduled it for yesterday. Went to her work, got the massage, was kickass massage as always, except this time she spent a lot of time massaging my groin with her feet which felt fking amazing

After I left she txted me "Welcome back"

And yeah idk, she's hot, she's clearly into me, im into her, but i just don't wanna complicate my life. She's foreign, im paying her to touch my body, I hate what the bay area has become and I don't wanna invest in this place anymore. I just want to cut my losses and leave. Like literally before I got the massage I was basically thinking every day "**** SF i hate this place im never coming back" to "this place aint that bad"

Ayo Pause, I suggest not paying a man to rub your body if you are not ghey.

OP you were fine and you read the situation correct.

Don't listen to the idiots here who say you blew it.

She was looking for money from you period. That was obvious from before you moved and what she said after. Everything was transactional to her.

Move on and never think of her again.

I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't think it was purely transactional for her. The problem was I was too wishy-washy, didn't make a move, didn't have a conversation with her to define the relationship. She was always making these comments like "im too old" and mentioning about wishing she had a boyfriend or whatever. So after all those dates and I still didn't make a move, she probably felt unwanted. So she want back to being all business

Not gonna cut her off but the ship has sailed forsure. I will always be grateful to her. Nobody has helped me as much as she did. If it wasn't for her I would still be ****ed up. She took me to those pilates / yoga classes and made me buy shoes that had proper support,she actually cared about me and my wellbeing.

yeah i dont do that chit anymore, dont know wtf i was thinking.

1. she def liked him, no it wasnt a money grab unless OP gave off vibes he was giga loaded. There are so many other ways for gold diggers to get money from men with far less time invested. She wouldnt be going on dates with him "for free" if she was just trying to be a prostitute. Also she was an immigrant at a legit massage place not a jack shack if she wanted more money for sex she would just be at a brothel or jack shack.

2. She was near 40 and wanted to settle down, already been pumped and dumped. Initially OP not trying to fuk her immediately probably made her want him more, made her think hes different, sloots always want the beta provider type when they settle down.

3. She was insecure about her age not sure if OP would want an older sloot to be committed to. OP was insecure about his body not being in shape like her, ignoring that he still would be more youthful than guys her age even if out of shape. She could get a chad on any app but those guys will just pump and dump her she thought OP was different. Also OP knew he had feels for her and then what is he going to marry someone 10 years older, when he is 45 she would be 55 and nasty by that age.

The places I go to only have female massage therapist but if there was a dude who could get the knots out of my back i would be ok with it. For chiros, I would prefer to have a male chiropractor because the females arent usually strong enough and cant crack my ****. I did get massaged by this large big woman before and she had big meaty sausage fingers that could really get in my upper back good, i think thats what a man massage must be like.