tell the rest of the misc about that

you know, the engineers and sh*t that can't even get a reply back saying they're not even interested

keep making up excuses, idc if you lived there for 50 years you don't have a clue what you're talking about

^^^Socrates BTFO.

I think you over-simplify the significance of human achievement; it seems to me there’s more to it than a “means to an end”.
Like... I don’t get why great works of art, which serve no functional purpose, are somehow solely about propagating the species; were that the case, the term “over-engineering” springs to mind.

The fact that humans do so much CRAZY chit that goes above and beyond what animals do strongly suggests that there’s a component to our existence that isn’t neatly/exclusively tied to our biological drives.

Lmao nothing is more delusional than a misc circlejerk.

Everyone I know is in a relationship, or dating. I don't know a single person who has an issue with womens place in society as much as the misc seems too.

I think that the misc just has a very vocal minority of people who are either struggling with women due to being a bit aspie, or are good at getting casual sex but have no idea how to hold down a relationship so become bitter about the "modern woman".

Personally, I've had way too many positive experiences with girls to subscribe to this doom and gloom mentality. My friends have too. And these aren't "chads" or whatever, just regular blokes.

Honestly, foreveralone/Incels/*******... it's all just a hangout for people who suck at life, and after being on the misc for over a decade it's sad to see this place slowly joining their ranks.

My experience has been the opposite.

The only friends I have are of the half dozen people or so I still talk to from high school, none have kissed a girl four years later. And I'll guarantee that at least half of the engineering dept I'm in is virgins/FA. Now I know I'm only seeing a very small piece of the big picture, and I'm realize that I'm not exactly around a group of social butterflies, but there are plenty of dudes out there who aren't getting any.

It's kind of like the blind men and the elephant - none of us have the whole story, and our opinions are all colored heavily by that little slice that we personally know.

Well a lot miscers are not average and have good jobs or aesthetics. Higher standards = lower chance of finding a woman. Also a lot of people here are introverts. So those things right there make it hard to find women.

Anyone can go talk to a 5/10 Rebecca but ain't nobody got time for that

There’s definitely some truth to this...

I was walking through the city centre yesterday, and I looked around and thought to myself “if dating is really in such a bad state, then why do I see so many bloody couples”.

Men are winning like never before. And I mean this despite the fact that women have fewer sex partners today than ten years ago.

It's a huge difference between being with someone who doesn't need you but still want you, and someone who just needs you. A modern women is economically and culturally free to leave you, which means as long as she is with you it is because she usually wants to be with you.

It's also my impression that there has never been more complaining and negative losers among the male population than today, which means those of us who take action and see opportunities instead of obstacles will benefit. Things doesn't necessarily happen by themselves anymore, which is a good thing.

I used to work at a huge supermarket, not one single guy there had a valentine last year

you were saying?

on top of that note, valentine sales last year fell of by I believe 17%

that's a BILLION dollars that just fell off the face of the map

Nope. Art is an expression of creativity, and that creativity is precisely how we solve problems. It is also a form of sexual selection. Also, for millions of years, it was the only way to depict maps and plans. If you noticed, a lot of people who excel in the arts are considered more sexually attractive. There doesn't seem to be an evolutionary advantage to peacocks looking the way they do at first glance, but then, it turns out to be the obvious result of sexual selection. We all know about the women that fawn after that musician or artist. There is a sexual selection component, and along with that, art may be the side effect of sophisticated intellectual reasoning, which confers a survival advantage. Keep in mind that art is older than humanity.

You keep saying this and not backing it up with anything...

Strong reply, mirin’.

But I don’t think it really answers why artistic endeavours have become as elaborate as they have.

Like... Nintendo making the SNES, and then making Mario World, and then me playing it and enjoying the chit out of it... I don’t feel any of this was necessary to keep the human race going.

Re: online dating/apps vs birth control: it's synergistic

oral contraceptive pills (OCPs) --> (female) sexual revolution & women's liberation

online dating apps & social media --> turns the limited Chad market into an expansive winner-takes-all competition

(1) detaching procreation from sex allowed women todisentangle short-term mating strategy (ONS/FWB) from long-term mating strategy (commitment/marriage suitability & continuation). It also allows women to prolong the dating/sexual exploration phase and delay having kids (& thus ascend out the kitchen). Since short-term mating strategy favors mate physical attractiveness >> mate resources, some dudes are predictably going to lose out from this switch, relatively speaking. Number (2) compounds this problem by turning local Chad markets, previously based on mutual social groups and IRL social interaction, into winner-takes-all

Not all doom & gloom tho. Not every woman is on dating apps & many of those who are on them are finding out trying to solicit long-term commitment from winner-takes-all Chad doesn't work out quite as well as it does in Disney movies lmao.Rep'd. We think on the same wavelength.




The next line you wrote after the bolded is very reminiscent of a few observations in Ernest Becker's Escape from Evil (great book, btw).

I'd have to agree with alltrapbrah though regarding the art thing. I don't think one can easily shoehorn that into some sort of peacocking endeavor to attract mates. Maybe some is, but all? Even from the homeless starving artist? Even from the 9 year old little girl who just likes to draw? I think most art is generated without much forethought, or, if anything, it is created for a broader social (but not necessarily sexual) motive. To that end, I think it's better to conceive of art, at the most, as an "immortality project" -- as Becker would call it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_De...ath#Background). Becker conceptualized the drives underlying all social behavior as personal "immortality projects" that give individuals personal meaning in contributing something to their in-group (society, tribe, race, humankind etc) that will persist beyond their deaths. Religion and having kids (pro-natalism) are other types of immortality projects. The unfortunate reality being that the canvas for immortality projects (human society, life on the planet and the universe itself), according to what we know about the material natural world,will all eventually be annihilated.

It's possible that art is just a side consequence of intelligence. It may be something that we find enjoyment in, but it definitely has some slight sexual selection component. BTW even 9 year old girls are concerned with beauty and status. They take on behaviors that they know will help them attract mates in the future. It's all there for a reason. I think our ultimate destiny as humans is to produce little mini starships that will send out microbes (r selected, highly generalized lifeforms, NOT humans) to other potentially habitable worlds. We will eventually go extinct, along with all life on this planet, but it is possible that somewhere out there, life could continue. Perhaps this is the grand scheme of things. This is the system aiding in the replication of those molecules. We have the privilege of being aware of the grand process even though it is tragic that we can see our own doom. Of course, this entire process itself is ultimately doomed. No life could ever escape the universe...unless there is something special about physics that we do not understand. Perhaps the beings that can crack this seemingly impossible puzzle and find a way to send information out of this universe will arise in the future? Who knows? And who knows what types of problems life will continue to struggle against in that realm if it even exists...(if it even makes sense to talk about life in the sense of changing in "time" or whatever other dimensions after that)? lol

Women are winning because men are handing them that victory in the form of giving away validation and thirst to women who they shouldn't even be looking twice at. The behaviour of a spoilt child is the fault of the parent.

I'm in my 40s now and online dating throws up the same problems for our age range that you guys face.

Obese but demanding a guy with shredded abs
On welfare but demanding a guy with serious dollar
No licence but demanding a guy with a car
Multiple kids from multiple fathers but demanding a guy with no kids himself
5'0" but demanding a guy at least 6'0"

At some point you have to realise that your own worth is worth more than the opinion of the entitled brats on these sites/apps. Stop feeding the beast, fellas!

I know a guy in my age group who lifts and runs regularly - in good shape for a guy his age, works hard, own home, down to earth guy etc. and he's just been nexted by a woman (who's 5'1", obese and needs a walking stick) because she thinks that she can do better than him. To Hell with that, I'd rather sit over here and watch the world burn.

So whose fault is it when someone isn’t developing social skills other than their own?

IMO anyone that eats soy.

That's just sad....

I thought it was a well known thing, but sure I can back it up

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcom...URL=&referrer=

https://www.sciencealert.com/millenn...ince-the-1920s

https://www.maxim.com/maxim-man/why-...ess-sex-2017-7

Nah. You all just have to stop being weak ass pushover and set standards.

Ah yes. Because if I raise my standards magically the attention will flow in. Who would have known.


brb raising standards

He's just on here to troll now man. funny how when the CHAD guys come on here to give advice its always something completely unspecific and vague *BRO JUST GOTTA BE MORE CONFIDENT BRO COME ON STOP BEING A PUSSY BRO COME ON*.

Hard times create strong men.
Strong men create good times.
Good times create weak men.
Weak men create hard times.

Comment I found on youtube

Indeed. If only if I would have known that increasing my standards would cause women to abruptly reciprocate interest.

Exactly, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. A man can increase his standards all he likes, but it will ultimately mean nothing if women still deem a man to be beneath her league (case in point, the guy I mentioned in my previous post)

The dating standards of women these days is like McDonald's demanding that applicants have a law degree to qualify to flip burgers!

Indeed

Im actually on vacation in virginia right now and I can say that on average I got way more replies when I messaged girls on pof in this area

Also girls in the south that I met in stores and out and about seemed way more lax and receptive. Unfortunately I’m going back home soon so I didn’t really pursue anything that hard

Although women have a bit more leisure in dating, at the end of the day they are ...women. I have respect for women and all that but they aren't really making any noise outside of the dating world. Men will always be in power as far as WORLD CONTROL because we were built to lead. There will always be more male CEO's, business owners, etc. The ability to think logically as opposed to emotionally will always make men superior.

As far as dating is concerned I never really stress about that part because I know that no matter how disappointing being FA may be, I will never be as insecure as a woman. These girls are masking some serious issues brah. I've seen it first hand....7/10s who have multiple guys hitting on them at the club, 200 likes in 2 mins, 2k+ followers etc. will always feel unfulfilled and insecure because deep down they know they've never worked for anything in their lives. Don't even get me started on the "daddy issues", some girls have good fathers in their lives and they still sloot hard LOL. The career women you guys are talking about are few and far in between as girls are becoming less and less motivated to find real passions,but those women can be sloots too. Besides miscers, most men will get over a rejection fairly quickly....girls will get traumatized over having a male deny sex from them. Not to mention the toll that being a human sperm receptacle can have on the human psyche. As my hood co-worker used to say "these hoes ain't sht bruh".


Otaku mentioned there will be a price correction, so to speak, and I agree. Sht is getting out of hand, I know some beta dudes who are all in on getting cucked but there will always be men who won't accept it.

So damn true, this hits home hard. I'm gonna borrow this if you don't mind. Repped.

OP must be referring to the small minority of women who are slim and fit and cute. What about the 2/3 who are overweight?

Women say the same thing about men having so much power. They are referring to the rich cute ones. Never mind that male bartenders do not out earn their female counterparts, unless of course they work longer.

Let's not all get drawn into broad brushes and grass is greener. Just keep lifting and your rewards will come.