This sunk you, even if you were and admittedly had reason to be flustered. You must have put her off with something during the convo bud. Did you offend her or anything or say something stupid/creepy?

For the future, perceive this as lack of interest and just pull back a bit and take her less seriously, don't show her it bugs (she needs to think you don't care as you have other options). I would have dropped her off, not made contact for a few days (feel HER out if she does) and then act as if nothing happened and text her again, banter a bit and try to set up another date (if I was interested in trying to salvage the sitch). Personally in your sitch, I would go NC unless she reached out to me first. I (and you) are high value and I ain't got time fo dat.

So its been radio silence since you freaked out on her? Lessons learned, no more dinner dates early on (unless money ain't a thang which is the case for you lol) and dates after 8PM only (after lunch/dinner time). Some more tips for future when the girl doesn't offer to pay: in an obvious joking tone: make fun of her for being cheap and tell her she is using you for your benefits (this only after you've paid like 3 times in a row though), in convo mention how you don't typically pay for women and how you have found they do chip in and how you appreciate it and believe that things should be fair. I did this with one kunt and she goes "I like a man's man who pays for me". I said "I believe in being fair so this prob won't work out" lol. I found out early she was a entitled gold digger, fukkkk outta here.

My recent failed date with the lawyer cost me $5 at Starbucks. No fuks given, its 5$. Had it of been 150$, yeah, I'd be shook too lol. See my point?

Answer the question: did you experiment with the faded haircut?

I love taking a day to lay around, since I am out of the house from like 7 to 10 every single day. If it's a Sunday and the weather sucks I have no problem getting a workout in and laying around with my dog all day. Do I like going on dates with women I find attractive? Absolutely. However I am giving in to the fact that what I want is not really easily attainable here and I can't force someone into being who I want them to be. I don't think it'll wear on me too much, however it is certainly possible. I will definitely get the itch to date again, however it will just devolve into the same cycle of shiit where I meet a cute girl and she's still talking to an ex, has a kid, is taking part time classes in her mid twenties, has a job which pays close to min. wage that she works at for 20 hours a week, etc. It's usually one of those things so instead of forcing it, I'm just going to accept it and move on with my life.

I wouldn't call it running away from biological instincts. There is no biological instinct that drives us to marry. All it drives us to do is procreate. That release can be handled quite easily. Will you have to lower your standards? Yep! And that's not fun at all. So you can ignore it and just wait for the right situation like I do.

Why does noticing women frustrate you? I notice women every day. I look at 'em, usually identify something I like about 'em, and go about my business.

Really, I'm pretty much surrounded by young professionals. the kind of girl you want is probably all around me - problem is they are usually taken/married or have very high standards. the girl that I smashed this past weekend has a masters in engineering, probably makes close to 80K, good job. no kids/baggage. This is why it affected me so much - 8+/10 girl that is educated/smart/makes decent money. the kind of girl that you rarely find single at that age (mid to late twenties). I'm sure her standards for men are through the roof given her attributes.

If you go awhile wtihout getting your dick wet, it's going to start to phuck with your mind. that is what I am saying.

I struggle with the high value part. I'm too much of a damn rational thinker. I can think I am high value fine (which I do), but I recognize that a women of her attractiveness level and people she has been around in the past means she has OBJECTIVELY had far higher value men than me after. so I can think I am high value all I want (and I do), but that doesn't stop the reality that she has probably been withfar higher value men (football players, athletes, etc) she had dated a few in the past, which would make it far more likely to not want to stay with me JUST ON that fact.

However I am giving in to the fact that what I want is not really easily attainable here and I can't force someone into being who I want them to be. I don't think it'll wear on me too much, however it is certainly possible.

I struggle with the high value part. I'm too much of a damn rational thinker. I can think I am high value fine (which I do), but I recognize that a women of her attractiveness level and people she has been around in the past means she has OBJECTIVELY had far higher value men than me after. so I can think I am high value all I want (and I do), but that doesn't stop the reality that she has probably been with far higher value men (football players, athletes, etc) she had dated a few in the past, which would make it far more likely to not want to stay with me JUST ON that fact.

Yes, tried fade for 2 months, was not digging it. lol. also - got this girl without a phukking fade.

Really, I'm pretty much surrounded by young professionals. the kind of girl you want is probably all around me - problem is they are usually taken/married or have very high standards. the girl that I smashed this past weekend has a masters in engineering, probably makes close to 80K, good job. no kids/baggage. This is why it affected me so much - 8+/10 girl that is educated/smart/makes decent money. the kind of girl that you rarely find single at that age (mid to late twenties). I'm sure her standards for men are through the roof given her attributes.

If you go awhile wtihout getting your dick wet, it's going to start to phuck with your mind. that is what I am saying.

Commitment phobe yet you tell your current gf you want to be exclusive on date 1. Not adding up holmes! Majority women today would run after hearing that, JSYK.

I've had a chit go with women too brah, I still remain positive and believe there is someone out there for me. It is a better mind frame to be in than negative like you are. When you believe, it will come (despite you not believing in that chit lol). If you don't try you won't succeed home boi.

This is just insecurity. If those guys she dated before were so good, she'd still be with them. If she dare compare you to them, I'm out if you ask me. Bigger problems lurk ahead with such woman. You an engineer, this is pride in itself. You need to make/tell your mind you are arrogant but just don't act it out with people. You do this though, I can tell by your posts and entitlement but are you acting it out? I just can't understand why you insecure in terms of being high value then? You a smart dude, I can tell. If I don't measure up to her expectation she can go fuk herself and vice versa nomsayin

Being an athlete or whatever has no bearing on how you make them FEEEEEEEL, unless you Tom Brady and she flaunts it and is with the ******* because he is famous. Think about it. If I had some coin and made her FEEEEL better than Tom Brady, she'd be mine (arrogant mind speaking).

If she texted you next day apologizing then you did a good job in making her feel guilty. See if sitch is still salvageable and hit her up with something interesting, make her laugh a bit and try to schedule a date. Do not joke about her being cheap since you reamed her out already. BAWSE lol. Her apology suggests she will step it up anyway if you go out again, so don't worry nor even discuss whose paying.

I've had a chit go with women too brah, I still remain positive and believe there is someone out there for me. It is a better mind frame to be in than negative like you are. When you believe, it will come (despite you not believing in that chit lol). If you don't try you won't succeed home boi.

Wanna get some advice relating to the texting scarcity convo a few pages back. Had a first date last night with a cute 22 year old. She's a new young professional type in town. We got a couple beers at a brewery and chatted for a couple hours. I think it went well, convo flowed, wasn't awkward. So far she seems like a potential relationship worthy type girl so not necessarily trying to just bang her asap. She's friends with one of my best friends in town and at the end she said something like "I had fun. Hit me up to do something again even it's with (mutual friend)"

In the past if I don't hear from a girl the next day after the first date I would send a "Hey xxxx I had a fun time last night. We'll have to do it again" type text. Usually went over pretty well. But we both pretty much said this to each other at the end of the night so that may be kind of dumb and redundant. Also I'm trying to improve my skills and the convo from a few pages back gave me pause. A group of friends including the mutual friend are going out Saturday for a birthday of our friend so I could see that as a good thing to invite her along to but also it's only two days after we met so that could be moving pretty fast..

So my two questions are:
1. Should I text her today or just hold off until I know I want to ask her to do something?
2. Should I invite her out with my friends Saturday or hold off and do something else one on one maybe some night next week?

Also Vick, what kind of dog do you have? I wanna get one but I'm gone all day at work / gym and also I'm pretty lazy..

If she texted you next day apologizing then you did a good job in making her feel guilty. See if sitch is still salvageable and hit her up with something interesting, make her laugh a bit and try to schedule a date. Do not joke about her being cheap since you reamed her out already. BAWSE lol. Her apology suggests she will step it up anyway if you go out again, so don't worry nor even discuss whose paying.

Wed: she is excited about the prospect of hanging out via texts. I pick her up, she is how she was the first 30 minutes. then she started to change. we are at the bar, she is talking up a storm, just getting to know me more, etc. I am doing the same to her. she starts talking to the girl randomly next to her for like 5 minutes/etc. then she mentions she is "tired" and that she should go back soon.

This is when I can things are starting to veer off. I grab the bill since she doesnt seem interested in splitting it. so I naturally think maybe she is just tired. But then when I drop her off she literally just thanks me and leaves the car without anything. that's when I called her asking her whats going on and got pissed. it felt like a first date where the girl becomes completely disinterested and wants to leave, except we had already phukked before. I thought I had HAD her prior, and her actions totally threw me off. she was also a little more "submissive" and feminine in her actions prior, whereas in the second date she seemed more standoffish

I seem entitled because I am in shape, intelligent, somewhat attractive, can hold a good conversations - yet I cannot seem to find that or get rejected by women who are like that. it's moreso just frustration. If I am X,Y, and X, why can't I get someone with X, Y, and Z? I know I know....its about how you make a women feel etc. Guess I am just not good at that. which sucks. its like I have the qualities for a good long term relationships but can't get there because I nail the "job interview". except a job interview is way different. If I think I deserve a job, I can pull a great speech on why I think I would be valuable to the organiztion/etc. Its how I got my job. However, going ona date with a women is completely different. if you do the same..you are "bragging". etc etc etc

If you dont try you wont succeed , that is my motto. I don't fall for the 'work on yourself and they will come" BS.

I just think we have a difference in philosophy on the whole "try and believe" thing, but I respect your opinion. It is likely I just keep myself out of things for a long time. I'd say the last log and all of those events did an excellent job in making me question what the point of all of this is. I know what I want and I know I won't find it in the younger girls I like. So why spin my wheels? That's sorta where I am at right now.

This is what happens when a man lets his emotions get the best of him. He overreacted and laid into her already. I doubt it's salvageable, he was already on thin ice, per the date.



Something was boring her about the conversation. Value -1.

She literally turned to a stranger and ignored you for 5 minutes? You sat there and let it happen. Value -1. I would have busted her balls right there. "Hey, there's no intermission in this show. Pay attention to the main event!"

She said she was tired and should go back soon. You said nothing. Value -1. I would have jokingly said, "Yeah, you seem a bit off. <feel her forehead>. Whoa! you're burning up. Let's get you home and tucked into your big girls bed right away and hey, I may still have time to meet up with my buddies!"

She didn't offer to pay for part of the bill? You said nothing: Value -1. Did she pay help pay for the first dinner? Was this the second date in a row she didn't offer. That would piss off any man that respects himself, but remember, this is just another chance to raise your value.

I can guarantee, that if you didn't fail all 4 tests above, you would have had a very good chance of laid again Wednesday night.

Then the clincher. You lost your cool and raged on her. Value -10.

Now, grand finally of what you did wrong if you ACTUALLY want a relationship. You slept with her on the first date. I know you wanted/needed to get your dick wet. But men with options, value, and game, don't need to rush into sex. Women sense this value. It's HUGE.

He needs practice, he should still try to salvage.

Relationship should be out the window in the first place, she is a sl00t for being DTF on first date

But a guy that doesn't take advantage of her slootiness? Value +10. This will leave her scrambling to prove her worth.

Seriously, With my game and ability to hold out sexually, I literally have women trying to rape me.

Girl 1 wanted me to **** her so badly. I just wasn't attracted to her enough.

This is what happens when a man lets his emotions get the best of him. He overreacted and laid into her already. I doubt it's salvageable, he was already on thin ice, per the date.

Something was boring her about the conversation. Value -1.

She literally turned to a stranger and ignored you for 5 minutes? You sat there and let it happen. Value -1. I would have busted her balls right there. "Hey, there's no intermission in this show. Pay attention to the main event!"

She said she was tired and should go back soon. You said nothing. Value -1. I would have jokingly said, "Yeah, you seem a bit off. <feel her forehead>. Whoa! you're burning up. Let's get you home and tucked into your big girls bed right away and hey, I may still have time to meet up with my buddies!"

She didn't offer to pay for part of the bill? You said nothing: Value -1. Did she pay help pay for the first dinner? Was this the second date in a row she didn't offer. That would piss off any man that respects himself, but remember, this is just another chance to raise your value.

I can guarantee, that if you didn't fail all 4 tests above, you would have had a very good chance of laid again Wednesday night.

Then the clincher. You lost your cool and raged on her. Value -10.

Now, grand finally of what you did wrong if you ACTUALLY want a relationship. You slept with her on the first date. I know you wanted/needed to get your dick wet. But men with options, value, and game, don't need to rush into sex. Women sense this value. It's HUGE.

But a guy that doesn't take advantage of her slootiness? Value +10. This will leave her scrambling to prove her worth.

Seriously, With my game and ability to hold out sexually, I literally have the women I date trying to rape me.

Girl 1 wanted me to **** her so badly. I just wasn't attracted to her enough. Zero mental connection for me. This is usually the case with me, even if I finder her physically attractive, take Leti for example. I didn't **** her for 3 weeks and I had chances. First night, we went 3 rounds, pretty much didn't even sleep, and she still wanted more when we woke up.

This is so ****ing true. Some women will be available to you for literally YEARS and YEARS. It's ridiculous.

Huh...you sure boyo? She snaps her fingers and they are lined up down the street. Unless you can really get in their head but not many men know how to do this.

Yeah those things did irk me a little, but I was trying to remain like I unnaffected by it. So I should have given her chit for all that stuff instead?

on that note, it was lowering my value so much the second date when I Was actually MORE comfortable with her, how did I get so far in the first date? arguably she would have **** tested me then too since it was the first meeting?

Absolutely say something, but you have to be cocky/funny/tease about it, so it looks like you are unaffected by it but still sticking up for yourself. Doing or saying nothing is akin to being a chump.

Absolutely say something, but you have to be cocky/funny/tease about it, so it looks like you are unaffected by it but still sticking up for yourself. Doing or saying nothing is akin to being a chump.

You just have to remember, that these are not pre-meditated tests, but they are tests because your resolve as a man is being questioned. Real men with high value do not put up with this kind of behavior, NOR do they lose their cool.

So, was your resolve as a man being tested on the first date. Absolutely, but you passed them all with ease without even knowing it. She turned up the heat a little on the second date, probably because she already slept with you. She HAD to be sure she didn't make a mistake. Again, not sleeping with a woman on the first date, gives you more time to raise your value naturally. Unless she has to constantly deal with chumps or you completely lower your value in some way that is not congruent, she's not going to act that way. So the hotter she is, the more chumps she has to deal with, the more tests you are going to have to pass to prove you are not one of them.

Just remember, anytime she does or says something that makes you a bit flustered, it's a test. You CANNOT do nothing. The more you let her get away with, the less value you have.

Chumps let women get away with everything. She WANTS you to stick up for yourself. She WANTS you to prove to her you are not a chump. Don't think of a **** test as a bad thing, it's a gift. It means she likes you enough to give you a chance to prove yourself.

And you need to push her buttons, too. Women like a challenge.

I just found this article. It's pretty accurate.

https://www.majorleaguedating.com/be...d-a-challenge/

don't recall her being anywhere near how she was on the first date? we were more in a group setting, and we were talking to other people as well. funny thing, the way she acted yesterday, I was actually getting a bit annoyed because I am thinking "is this her personality?" but apparently they were **** tests.

Good article. have a date lined up tonight and one tomorrow night with a new girl. the one tomorrow seems very sweet/girl next door type. excited about that one.

I wouldn't invite her personally. I'd just concentrate on going out with my group of friends and catch up with her next week or whatever day you had in mind.

Never send the "had a lot of fun" text the day after especially if you expressed it verbally. It's needy as fuuck. I'd wait until you had a plan.

I have a dachshund named Donny. Here is us:


http://imgur.com/a/xcK0g

I am gone all day however I return at a few points to take care of Donny due to the fact that I get to go home for lunch every day and the smoke lounge is two blocks from my house.

have a date lined up tonight and one tomorrow night with a new girl. the one tomorrow seems very sweet/girl next door type. excited about that one.

I have a dachshund named Donny. Here is us:.

Commitment means a lot more than exclusive dating.

Depends on how you define commitment.

Dating a girl who is potentially romantically engaged with other guys at the same time is disgusting to me. And most people's defense is to try date multiple people too, rather than have the balls to call out the system.

I remember when I was first practicing cocky/funny on women, man did I say some really offensive ****, lol. It just didn't come out the way I was thinking in my head. Shot myself in the foot many times. It took me a while to get it right.

Aww Donny is pretty damn cute dude.

I think you're right though. I think subconsciously the purpose of the text the next day thing is really more for my state of mind to verify that they're actually into me rather than for escalating things with her. Also even though our mutual friend will be there I think inviting her out with all my friends two days after meeting her is too much too soon. Might be seen as me trying to immediately suck her into my life and come off as needy. If I don't hear from her first I'll probably wait til Sunday afternoon, send a few text catching up and then ask her out for another night next week.

Another question for you guys. What're your thoughts on using snapchat instead of texting? I like it because you can show that you do interesting stuff (if you do) but you also keep in touch and keep her interest without getting sucked into full blown text convos that inevitably get boring and exhausting. Not responding to a snap is way more acceptable than not responding to a text.

timeline cliffs:

Sat:
1pm: Get blasted with drinks, she gets pretty tipsy. makeout at bar. Easy.
6pm: She asks if I want to go back to her place, we uber back. She pretty much takes her clothes off without me even trying. Smash right away. asks me to stay over, watch a movie etc/chill

Sun: Leave and go do my stuff after smashing again in the morning. Don't mention to hang out again. just left. Text a little later.

Monday: text a little. I'm about to head to bed and she facetimes me out of the blue and we chat for like an hour. I can tell in her eyes she is acting "cutesy" smiling at what I am saying. you catch my drift. You know when someone is into you, basically.this is when I let my guard down. I end the convo first saying I have to go bed, then give her chit that she owes me coffee the next day for keeping me up.

Tuesday: text a little. set up plans for wed. tell her I am going to take her to this place she will like. nothing fancy.

Wed: she is excited about the prospect of hanging out via texts. I pick her up, she is how she was the first 30 minutes. then she started to change. we are at the bar, she is talking up a storm, just getting to know me more, etc. I am doing the same to her. she starts talking to the girl randomly next to her for like 5 minutes/etc. then she mentions she is "tired" and that she should go back soon. This is when I can things are starting to veer off. I grab the bill since she doesnt seem interested in splitting it. so I naturally think maybe she is just tired. But then when I drop her off she literally just thanks me and leaves the car without anything. that's when I called her asking her whats going on and got pissed. it felt like a first date where the girl becomes completely disinterested and wants to leave, except we had already phukked before.I thought I had HAD her prior, and her actions totally threw me off. she was also a little more "submissive" and feminine in her actions prior, whereas in the second date she seemed more standoffish

To me, she was going into full dating/relationship mode FAST after we had phukked, and I let my guard down because of it. not a lot, just a little. meaning I was willing to text a little more. Basically, I though I had HAD HER, especially after she facetimed me and HOW SHE ACTED during it. Yet, at the same time, I felt like she was way above my league (since I had never been with a girl like her before) and was wondering what was going on. She might have liked me for a quick bang, but the fact that she was texting/etc and calling me after made me think she actually liked me, which confused me.

My head is a little bit clearer today - so the above is probably more objective portrayol of what happened








Good realization. I love staying active and working on myself. Maybe its partially because I have not found someone to fill that time and I hate laying around. maybe if I had found someone a few years ago I would not of been as accomplished. not sure. It's not that bad not going on dates/meeting women for 3-4 months, but then it starts to wear on you, at least in my experience. Then you start noticing more women and becoming more frustrated, if you keep yourself in shape and have healthy testestorone. Basicallly, what I have learned is that you really cannot run away from m your biological instincts, especially if you are healthy male

She literally turned to a stranger and ignored you for 5 minutes? You sat there and let it happen. Value -1. I would have busted her balls right there. "Hey, there's no intermission in this show. Pay attention to the main event!"

Aww Donny is pretty damn cute dude.

I think you're right though. I think subconsciously the purpose of the text the next day thing is really more for my state of mind to verify that they're actually into me rather than for escalating things with her.

It's not a race to give out everything about your life so quickly. It's a race to hold onto how long you can keep those elements of yourself more private..

Update: Just got another text from K. That's 3 this week. Made me laugh.

Are you engaging with her at all in convo or no?

Commitment means a lot more than exclusive dating. Also, I'll happily let the majority women run and continue to play games. It's funny I'm getting a hard time from guys who literally jump around from one woman to the next week after week. That modern dating thing ain't working out so well eh.