Bonds was basically the norm back then - I would say 50-70% of the league was juicing between 1993-2006. Even before steroids, if you look at 1992-1998, Bonds was overall the best player in baseball clean while rest of the league was juiced to the gills. Once it became an even playing field, Bonds was the greatest of all time


How is it unfair for a guy to be using the same supplements as the rest of the league was?


in 1993, as skinny Barry, he hit .336 - .458-.1.136 - 46 HR (only in 530 ABs) - 123 RBI - 29 Stolen bases. He was a better overall player clean than guys like Sosa were on steroids

Anyone who knows anything knows Bonds is the GOAT. Only reason he's not in the HOF is because he was a dick to the media. Meanwhile a test failing scum bag like David Ortiz is getting in first ballot.

nobody disagrees with you here. go back to r*ddit

if only he stayed natty. there was no reason to juice and ruin his HOF chances. he was good enough without it.

i think bonds wouldve done just fine without roids

Why do just fine when you can level the playing field and put up a 1.300 OPS?

so you can get into the HOF after your career ends?

I'd rather be the GOAT

hard to say youre the goat without the HOF tho

OP

ur logic is very chitty

there ar emany other who performed at a high level like he did during this time WHO DIDNT ROID like derek jeter or frank thomas or craig biggio or randy johnson, who dominated and are HOFers

take barry bonds bbc out of ur mouth and try using logic

not gonna lie, car salesman. impressed with your baseball knowledge

dropping gagne

and saying ruth would get chit on nowadays

Most feared hitter in the juice ball era.

The pitchers were on juice too.

Intentionally walked with bases loaded. That almost never happens.

Bonds is the goat. I'd put him ahead of Ruth.

Baseball is chitty to players though. They have a history of blackballing major stars to preserve some made up integrity that doesn't exist.

ur assuming u know EXACTLY wen bonds started the juice. he could have taken chit that didnt make him blow up when he will still on the pirates.
more faulty logic OP, tsk tsk.

not to mention they were facing the same juiced pitchers. This isnt to deny bonds was a beast. Its just obvious he had an advantage over other superstars of his era because he was on juice and they werent. it isnt that hard to understand

This has to be bait, did you see miguel cabrera the past decade? or pujols?
both clean and both equally dominant.

you clearly have a BBC fetish OP

Babe Ruth is easily the GOAT but Bonds is in the discussion for 2nd

he deserves to be in the hall

Griffey's injuries later on in his career were pretty suspicious of an early age juicer. And Thomas had a huoooge swelled up noggin too. You couldn't see the muscle development because he liked chili dogs too. I doubt there were any big name players not on juice in the 90s.

Most of the great pitchers were white

Also Ruth was hitting more homers than entire teams

He was also a dominant pitcher BTW

What would Bonds career numbers look like if pitchers actually pitched to him?

"Barry Bonds holds most of the records for intentional walks, including four in a nine-inning game (2004), 120 in a season (2004), 668 in his career—more than the next two players on the all-time list, Albert Pujols (309) and Hank Aaron (293), combined— and 21 in the postseason."

Bonds numbers would have been unapproachable by anyone if his intentional walks numbers weren't so ridiculous.

NO ONE in the history of the game compares to the fear he put into opposing pitchers/managers.

Wonder how many homeruns Griffey would have had if he was juiced

FUKK barrybonds

Ken Griffey is better and natty.

Bonds only had 4 more career homeruns on the road than at home

Ruth had 20 more on the road

i personally think reggie jackson and rickey henderson were. check out those bishes compared to people of that era

What I don't understand is how so many people still believe to this day that celltech bicycling is not only done in all professional level sports (and even most D1 college, even down to some D2 college level), but is the norm. Will celltech automatically elevate someone from say backup level pro athlete to elite? Absolutely not. But just like in basic lifting, it can propel the above average to elite, average to above average, below average to average, and so forth.

Don't get me wrong, there are some positions in pro sports where I don't think it's absolutely necessary to make it to an exceptionally high level. Take QB in the NFL, for example - it's entirely possible to be pretty average in terms of general athleticism, yet have a rocket arm and high football IQ and still succeed as a top-tier QB in the NFL - Peyton Manning (though he was pretty tall, at least), Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Brett Favre, etc., just to name a few. Obviously, being Cam Newton level athletic isn't a requirement to succeed at that position. But lol @ anyone who thinks people become the best at most positions in the NFL, best home run sluggers in the MLB, best sprinters in the Olympics, best bicyclists in the world, etc. without it. It's like people seriously believe that there were guys close to or even better than Barry Bonds's later career home run hitting who were pure natties... it just doesn't make any sense to think that absolute top tier athletes at something like that wouldn't have absolutely every edge going for them at their disposal, from genetics, to work ethic at the game, and indeed - celltech.

Keeping Bonds out of the MLB Hall of Fame is just as pathetic as stripping Lance Armstrong of his Tour De France titles was. Everyone does it at the level those guys were at, but they also happened to be the best of the best among those groups of athletes. Lol @ punishing them for that whilst simultaneously burying their heads in the sand about all of the countless others who did do it/do it that never got popped for it, or at least not badly enough or with enough publicity to have their entire sports legacies tarnished over it.

actually you dont lol.. dead srs.

look it up. using and sitting on the couch = double LBM than a natty working out

erik skoglund from the royals was a bean pole and was just busted for PED's

Awesome, I'm going to lie in a bed getting drunk all day and take some tech so I become a white Ronnie Coleman

bonds needs to be in hof. as does Clemens. Clemens was as dominate a pitcher as any in there..chit human being but still.

if albert pujols would have stayed in st louis i think he would be the best hitter of all time, unfortunatly he has been a shell of himself since going to LA....bonds if most definitly the best hitter of our generation. Hard to say hes the greatest player of all time though

Ruth played in the deadball era with longer parks, and baseballs and bats that weren't as lively as modern times

Ruth hits 1400 homers in this era

Eric Gagne