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Reminder: In the 40s/50s you could drop out of school in 8th grade and live a good life
22 hours ago, 02:14 PM
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Reminder: In the 40s/50s you could drop out of school in 8th grade and live a good life
Wild times.
My grandpaw did that.
Grew up in rural appalachia -- quit school in 8th grade to help more on the farm.
By 17-18 he was off to war...came back and started working for TVA.
By around 22-23 he was married to a rural farm area gal (grandmaw) and they moved to another city about 100 miles away with more cotton mills.
Took a cotton mill job and bought a new house in the mill village. The mills gave their workers a little discount or took the cost of the house out of their paychecks. Neighborhood and schools were all white BTW.
He always had a decent enough car...no hoopties
He and grandmaw had 4 kids they raised up in the original house he bought at 22-23. My dad was the paperboy a few years.
They all went to a at the time thriving baptist church less than 1/4 miles away from the house...gramps eventually become one of the sunday school teachers.
My grandpaw did that.
Grew up in rural appalachia -- quit school in 8th grade to help more on the farm.
By 17-18 he was off to war...came back and started working for TVA.
By around 22-23 he was married to a rural farm area gal (grandmaw) and they moved to another city about 100 miles away with more cotton mills.
Took a cotton mill job and bought a new house in the mill village. The mills gave their workers a little discount or took the cost of the house out of their paychecks. Neighborhood and schools were all white BTW.
He always had a decent enough car...no hoopties
He and grandmaw had 4 kids they raised up in the original house he bought at 22-23. My dad was the paperboy a few years.
They all went to a at the time thriving baptist church less than 1/4 miles away from the house...gramps eventually become one of the sunday school teachers.
21 hours ago, 02:34 PM
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What's funny about this is all the cuck hoops modern man has to jump through to approach a similar life. 😂
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Originally Posted By edwardhaskell⏩
also to even get a date
What's funny about this is all the cuck hoops modern man has to jump through to approach a similar life. 😂
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Yeah, my grandfather dropped out of school in the 3rd grade to help his family and went on to become a successful business owner. School has turned into an indoctrination channel to brainwash you not to question things and work for someone. (Super Ded fkn Srs)
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Originally Posted By edwardhaskell⏩
Yeah, bringing in millions of illegal immigrants and paying for all of them tends to do that. We can't have the nice life the boomers had because of that. At least one main reason.
What's funny about this is all the cuck hoops modern man has to jump through to approach a similar life. 😂
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20 hours ago, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted By anonkunbrah⏩
the older gens say bootstraps/work harder, but what they don't understand is that younger generations are having to work harder in every facet of life...including socially/for love/to have children/own a house/buy a car, save for retirement, etc. many of the things they took for granted back then.
also to even get a date
Quitting school in 6th, 7th, 8th grade wasn't some rare thing back then but even that didn't stop people willing to work a job (even some common no particular skills job) from living out the american dream.
try that now and you'll be living in some woods behind an ihop....or best case scenario as a roommate in some tiny apartment surrounded by ethnics.
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Originally Posted By edwardhaskell⏩
ur not wrong
Wild times.
My grandpaw did that.
Grew up in rural appalachia -- quit school in 8th grade to help more on the farm.
By 17-18 he was off to war...came back and started working for TVA.
By around 22-23 he was married to a rural farm area gal (grandmaw) and they moved to another city about 100 miles away with more cotton mills.
Took a cotton mill job and bought a new house in the mill village. The mills gave their workers a little discount or took the cost of the house out of their paychecks. Neighborhood and schools were all white BTW.
He always had a decent enough car...no hoopties
He and grandmaw had 4 kids they raised up in the original house he bought at 22-23. My dad was the paperboy a few years.
They all went to a at the time thriving baptist church less than 1/4 miles away from the house...gramps eventually become one of the sunday school teachers.
My grandpaw did that.
Grew up in rural appalachia -- quit school in 8th grade to help more on the farm.
By 17-18 he was off to war...came back and started working for TVA.
By around 22-23 he was married to a rural farm area gal (grandmaw) and they moved to another city about 100 miles away with more cotton mills.
Took a cotton mill job and bought a new house in the mill village. The mills gave their workers a little discount or took the cost of the house out of their paychecks. Neighborhood and schools were all white BTW.
He always had a decent enough car...no hoopties
He and grandmaw had 4 kids they raised up in the original house he bought at 22-23. My dad was the paperboy a few years.
They all went to a at the time thriving baptist church less than 1/4 miles away from the house...gramps eventually become one of the sunday school teachers.
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Appalachia is still 100% white.
You're here championing for the white man like a cuck, when the white man is the one who sent off all manufacturing overseas, ensuring that you can't have the same slack jawed easy life your grandpappi had.
You're here championing for the white man like a cuck, when the white man is the one who sent off all manufacturing overseas, ensuring that you can't have the same slack jawed easy life your grandpappi had.
When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
I mentioned that they moved 100+ miles from appalachia to another city that was much more diverse (where they still obtained a house in a 100% white community and 100% white schools).
Appalachia is still 100% white.
You're here championing for the white man like a cuck, when the white man is the one who sent off all manufacturing overseas, ensuring that you can't have the same slack jawed easy life your grandpappi had.
You're here championing for the white man like a cuck, when the white man is the one who sent off all manufacturing overseas, ensuring that you can't have the same slack jawed easy life your grandpappi had.
wasn't sure i was championing for anything other than showing how "far" we've come in 75 years.
19 hours ago, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted By Blofeld⏩
my grandparents would actually be "the greatest generation" I think it's called.
dirty old geezer boomers
19 hours ago, 04:45 PM
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You can still drop out of school in 10th grade and have a great life. I know people who did it.
-Drop out with parental consent at 16
-Get GED
-Immediately enroll in community college or a technical school
-Start working in a career 2-4 years before your peers
-Profit
In many cases, a determined kid will have a better outcome by doing this (srs).
I occasionally wish I did this because high school was a massive waste of time for me. I learned absolutely nothing academically. Socially, it was worthwhile, I'll admit. The best place to make friends and learn how to talk to girls is in public school, however overall I still feel very strongly that I could've achieved more success had I dropped out.
It's also a complete lie that a high school diploma is worth more than a GED. They're entirely equal in terms of the opportunities they open. School counselors routinely push this falsehood to students deemed "at risk" when letting them wander off on their own might actually be the best thing for them. I've been in the work force for 12 years now and never once has anyone asked for a copy of my diploma. It's a worthless piece of paper.
-Drop out with parental consent at 16
-Get GED
-Immediately enroll in community college or a technical school
-Start working in a career 2-4 years before your peers
-Profit
In many cases, a determined kid will have a better outcome by doing this (srs).
I occasionally wish I did this because high school was a massive waste of time for me. I learned absolutely nothing academically. Socially, it was worthwhile, I'll admit. The best place to make friends and learn how to talk to girls is in public school, however overall I still feel very strongly that I could've achieved more success had I dropped out.
It's also a complete lie that a high school diploma is worth more than a GED. They're entirely equal in terms of the opportunities they open. School counselors routinely push this falsehood to students deemed "at risk" when letting them wander off on their own might actually be the best thing for them. I've been in the work force for 12 years now and never once has anyone asked for a copy of my diploma. It's a worthless piece of paper.
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I didn’t finish high school and have a great life by most standards.
Played junior hockey
Worked in the oil patch for a few years
Met a girl, got married
Got in a union and got a trade
Bought a house, had kids
Started my own business
Might not be toiling in millions but make enough that my family is well taken care of, and has everything they need/want.
Played junior hockey
Worked in the oil patch for a few years
Met a girl, got married
Got in a union and got a trade
Bought a house, had kids
Started my own business
Might not be toiling in millions but make enough that my family is well taken care of, and has everything they need/want.
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16 hours ago, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted By GuineaDago585⏩
the point though is that people regularly quit school in 4th-8th grade back then yet could easily live out the american dream with no particular skill...just walking in off the street somewhere willing to work...they could also get a loyal young lady to marry and start a family with while doing it...all by their early-mid 20s including the pure white neighborhood/schools.
You can still drop out of school in 10th grade and have a great life. I know people who did it.
-Drop out with parental consent at 16
-Get GED
-Immediately enroll in community college or a technical school
-Start working in a career 2-4 years before your peers
-Profit
In many cases, a determined kid will have a better outcome by doing this (srs).
I occasionally wish I did this because high school was a massive waste of time for me. I learned absolutely nothing academically. Socially, it was worthwhile, I'll admit. The best place to make friends and learn how to talk to girls is in public school, however overall I still feel very strongly that I could've achieved more success had I dropped out.
It's also a complete lie that a high school diploma is worth more than a GED. They're entirely equal in terms of the opportunities they open. School counselors routinely push this falsehood to students deemed "at risk" when letting them wander off on their own might actually be the best thing for them. I've been in the work force for 12 years now and never once has anyone asked for a copy of my diploma. It's a worthless piece of paper.
-Drop out with parental consent at 16
-Get GED
-Immediately enroll in community college or a technical school
-Start working in a career 2-4 years before your peers
-Profit
In many cases, a determined kid will have a better outcome by doing this (srs).
I occasionally wish I did this because high school was a massive waste of time for me. I learned absolutely nothing academically. Socially, it was worthwhile, I'll admit. The best place to make friends and learn how to talk to girls is in public school, however overall I still feel very strongly that I could've achieved more success had I dropped out.
It's also a complete lie that a high school diploma is worth more than a GED. They're entirely equal in terms of the opportunities they open. School counselors routinely push this falsehood to students deemed "at risk" when letting them wander off on their own might actually be the best thing for them. I've been in the work force for 12 years now and never once has anyone asked for a copy of my diploma. It's a worthless piece of paper.
impossible nowadays
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It wasn't overrun with all these Indians, Mexicans, the stupid Haitian warlocks stealing your cat to rape then eat it
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Originally Posted By Papi_Chulo⏩
schools were segregated back then...mexicans were in mexico, indians in india, etc. blacks had there own schools. even in working class 'hoods for mill workers little kids out playing on the sidewalks/walking to school
It wasn't overrun with all these Indians, Mexicans, the stupid Haitian warlocks stealing your cat to rape then eat it
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Originally Posted By edwardhaskell⏩
Funny? Depressing
What's funny about this is all the cuck hoops modern man has to jump through to approach a similar life. 😂
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Originally Posted By thesloshedman⏩
OP will disregard this post.
I didn’t finish high school and have a great life by most standards.
Played junior hockey
Worked in the oil patch for a few years
Met a girl, got married
Got in a union and got a trade
Bought a house, had kids
Started my own business
Might not be toiling in millions but make enough that my family is well taken care of, and has everything they need/want.
Played junior hockey
Worked in the oil patch for a few years
Met a girl, got married
Got in a union and got a trade
Bought a house, had kids
Started my own business
Might not be toiling in millions but make enough that my family is well taken care of, and has everything they need/want.
When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
it seems you aren't grasping the point which is that people with elementary educations who weren't particularly monetarily ambitious could walk into a mill in their early 20s and live the american dream. including a loyal wife staying at home, 4+ kids, owning a home, 100% white neighborhood, 100% white schools, decent car, food on the table, active church life for the family.
OP will disregard this post.
i assume you are arguing this is easily achievable in modern world?
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Originally Posted By edwardhaskell⏩
Of course it is. Mexicans do it all day everyday. All you have to do is want to work construction or other laborer work. Except for the all white thing. If you want that, you can go live in Appalachia.
it seems you aren't grasping the point which is that people with elementary educations who weren't particularly monetarily ambitious could walk into a mill in their early 20s and live the american dream. including a loyal wife staying at home, 4+ kids, owning a home, 100% white neighborhood, 100% white schools, decent car, food on the table, active church life for the family.
i assume you are arguing this is easily achievable in modern world?
i assume you are arguing this is easily achievable in modern world?
When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
once again i think you've failed to grasp the point.
Of course it is. Mexicans do it all day everyday. All you have to do is want to work construction or other laborer work. Except for the all white thing. If you want that, you can go live in Appalachia.
mexicans with no special skills (which includes learned construction skill) are buying homes in white neighborhoods with white schools while raising 4+ kids and having a stay at home wife in their early 20s?
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Originally Posted By edwardhaskell⏩
Yes. They're everywhere. Can't really call the neighborhood white anymore, but everything else still applies.
once again i think you've failed to grasp the point.
mexicans with no special skills (which includes learned construction skill) are buying homes in white neighborhoods with white schools while raising 4+ kids and having a stay at home wife in their early 20s?
mexicans with no special skills (which includes learned construction skill) are buying homes in white neighborhoods with white schools while raising 4+ kids and having a stay at home wife in their early 20s?
Of course if we do an apples to apples comparison, we'll find that your grandpappi didn't have it all that great. He lived in a tiny home with no amenities. Had a shit car that, and did activities that were free and not really worthwhile in his free time. This was the standard back then for blue collar workers.
Today, a union construction worker makes $100+ per hour when you factor benefits. A non union worker makes on average over six figures with overtime.
I think the point is that you want to complain. Which is fine, but everyone else is doing fine. What happened to your girlfriend? Did she get tired of having to go to work while you didn't? You think your grandpappi would have let your nana go to work while he stayed home?
When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
now you're moving the goal posts.
Yes. They're everywhere. Can't really call the neighborhood white anymore, but everything else still applies.
Of course if we do an apples to apples comparison, we'll find that your grandpappi didn't have it all that great. He lived in a tiny home with no amenities. Had a shit car that, and did activities that were free and not really worthwhile in his free time. This was the standard back then for blue collar workers.
Today, a union construction worker makes $100+ per hour when you factor benefits. A non union worker makes on average over six figures with overtime.
I think the point is that you want to complain. Which is fine, but everyone else is doing fine. What happened to your girlfriend? Did she get tired of having to go to work while you didn't? You think your grandpappi would have let your nana go to work while he stayed home?
Of course if we do an apples to apples comparison, we'll find that your grandpappi didn't have it all that great. He lived in a tiny home with no amenities. Had a shit car that, and did activities that were free and not really worthwhile in his free time. This was the standard back then for blue collar workers.
Today, a union construction worker makes $100+ per hour when you factor benefits. A non union worker makes on average over six figures with overtime.
I think the point is that you want to complain. Which is fine, but everyone else is doing fine. What happened to your girlfriend? Did she get tired of having to go to work while you didn't? You think your grandpappi would have let your nana go to work while he stayed home?
i specifically stated white neighborhood/schools (also low crime) which is essentially what people clamor for now thus running up values in those areas.
the home he purchased was of average size and amenities for the time period (and constructed better with better materials than average modern homes).
the cars he always drove were average for the time period -- essentially equivalent to what the average midsize sedan/suv is today.
church activities including being a sunday school teacher, an active youth group for kids, kids involved in school activities, kids playing sports, quality family time, family meals around the table (wife was a great cook), extended family to visit with/cousins to play with a few blocks away. what about these activities do you find not really worthwhile for a man with 4 kids?
again, where in america are average people in their early 20s with no particular skill set and a 7th/8th grade education marrying a nice conservative young lady [to be a stay at home wife], having 4 kids, walking in off the street for a job in a factory/mill and buying homes in a white neighborhood with white schools?
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Originally Posted By edwardhaskell⏩
So you're going off on a tangent. There are no mills anymore. That's like saying where are all the horse farriers because in your great grandfather's time anyone could just walk into a ferrier apprenticeship.
now you're moving the goal posts.
i specifically stated white neighborhood/schools (also low crime) which is essentially what people clamor for now thus running up values in those areas.
the home he purchased was of average size and amenities for the time period (and constructed better with better materials than average modern homes).
the cars he always drove were average for the time period -- essentially equivalent to what the average midsize sedan/suv is today.
church activities including being a sunday school teacher, an active youth group for kids, kids involved in school activities, kids playing sports, quality family time, family meals around the table (wife was a great cook), extended family to visit with/cousins to play with a few blocks away. what about these activities do you find not really worthwhile for a man with 4 kids?
again, where in america are average people in their early 20s with no particular skill set and a 7th/8th grade education marrying a nice conservative young lady [to be a stay at home wife], having 4 kids, walking in off the street for a job in a factory/mill and buying homes in a white neighborhood with white schools?
i specifically stated white neighborhood/schools (also low crime) which is essentially what people clamor for now thus running up values in those areas.
the home he purchased was of average size and amenities for the time period (and constructed better with better materials than average modern homes).
the cars he always drove were average for the time period -- essentially equivalent to what the average midsize sedan/suv is today.
church activities including being a sunday school teacher, an active youth group for kids, kids involved in school activities, kids playing sports, quality family time, family meals around the table (wife was a great cook), extended family to visit with/cousins to play with a few blocks away. what about these activities do you find not really worthwhile for a man with 4 kids?
again, where in america are average people in their early 20s with no particular skill set and a 7th/8th grade education marrying a nice conservative young lady [to be a stay at home wife], having 4 kids, walking in off the street for a job in a factory/mill and buying homes in a white neighborhood with white schools?
You're also incorrect about the reality of what your grandfather lived. He didn't walk in off the street and become CEO. He had to learn and be promoted like everyone else.
Homes were not built better. They were built to a lower standard and as such required less maintenance. Kinda hard to fuck up a shack with a dirt floor.
The average car back then was a peasantmobile. Whereas a top of the line car had many of the amenities that cars have now.
The fact of the matter is, for anyone who wants it, there are more opportunities now than ever before. And there's no virtue in not having an education and not being able to read.
I wish we could just send you back in time for a year or two. So that you could learn first hand how great life was back then.
When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
Where did I argue there are mills now -- remember that I'm just outlining what was available in 40/50s for the average man (thread title).
So you're going off on a tangent. There are no mills anymore. That's like saying where are all the horse farriers because in your great grandfather's time anyone could just walk into a ferrier apprenticeship.
You're also incorrect about the reality of what your grandfather lived. He didn't walk in off the street and become CEO. He had to learn and be promoted like everyone else.
The fact of the matter is, for anyone who wants it, there are more opportunities now than ever before. And there's no virtue in not having an education and not being able to read.
You're also incorrect about the reality of what your grandfather lived. He didn't walk in off the street and become CEO. He had to learn and be promoted like everyone else.
The fact of the matter is, for anyone who wants it, there are more opportunities now than ever before. And there's no virtue in not having an education and not being able to read.
I never said my grandfather was CEO -- he walked in off the street in his early 20s, in a new city on the bottom at a mill with a 7th/8th grade education -- which afforded him the American dream.
I'm not sure if you are aware, but most students are able to read and write by 2nd/3rd grade. I do believe most white schools and good families were pretty diligent about making sure children had a firm grasp of the basics at a young age. I know in many predominately black areas it's not uncommon for high schoolers to be reading on a 3rd grade level (hence why part of the new american dream includes being in mostly white areas).
And for boys that had those basics back then -- many chose to forego all the other crap school had to offer because more adult tasks were at hand -- such as working on the family farm. Also, who could really blame them for it if they could be living the American dream by their early 20s without wasting time sitting at a desk? 🤔
5 hours ago, 06:59 AM
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Wonder what his life would have looked like if after he came home from the war, his town/area was 45% latino/indian/asian, etc??
A very different story would have been written, one involving the equivalent of meth, back then...
A very different story would have been written, one involving the equivalent of meth, back then...
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Originally Posted By edwardhaskell⏩
You're outlining what there was, which was less than there is now. And I don't understand why. What's the point of this thread. You have had multiple people state that what you say can't be had, can in fact be had. But you're still arguing. In that regard I have to give you props. You have nailed the haskell persona down to a tee. So congrats on that.
Where did I argue there are mills now -- remember that I'm just outlining what was available in 40/50s for the average man (thread title).
I never said my grandfather was CEO -- he walked in off the street in his early 20s, in a new city on the bottom at a mill with a 7th/8th grade education -- which afforded him the American dream.
I'm not sure if you are aware, but most students are able to read and write by 2nd/3rd grade. I do believe most white schools and good families were pretty diligent about making sure children had a firm grasp of the basics at a young age. I know in many predominately black areas it's not uncommon for high schoolers to be reading on a 3rd grade level (hence why part of the new american dream includes being in mostly white areas).
And for boys that had those basics back then -- many chose to forego all the other crap school had to offer because more adult tasks were at hand -- such as working on the family farm. Also, who could really blame them for it if they could be living the American dream by their early 20s without wasting time sitting at a desk? 🤔
I never said my grandfather was CEO -- he walked in off the street in his early 20s, in a new city on the bottom at a mill with a 7th/8th grade education -- which afforded him the American dream.
I'm not sure if you are aware, but most students are able to read and write by 2nd/3rd grade. I do believe most white schools and good families were pretty diligent about making sure children had a firm grasp of the basics at a young age. I know in many predominately black areas it's not uncommon for high schoolers to be reading on a 3rd grade level (hence why part of the new american dream includes being in mostly white areas).
And for boys that had those basics back then -- many chose to forego all the other crap school had to offer because more adult tasks were at hand -- such as working on the family farm. Also, who could really blame them for it if they could be living the American dream by their early 20s without wasting time sitting at a desk? 🤔
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