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Thread: Thanks Feminism! NY bartenders can't refuse pregnant women alcohol

post 1441312831 05-10-2016, 11:37 AM
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bars are privately owned businesses, and should be allowed to refuse service to whomever they want
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Originally Posted By cookiefiend⏩
Wut. No, I definitely give a chit about innocent kids being born with fas because the mother was stupid and selfish and society was to much of a pussy to tell her no.
Spare me. She's just another "sl00t" for you to talk chit about.
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post 1441313091 05-10-2016, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted By badbl00d⏩
After one drink? Unless she was over the limit the bar wouldn't be liable.
The law would give case against a bartender who refused even a wasted pregnant lady from getting another drink, if it reads as below:
For the first time, the city isexplicitly prohibitingrestaurants and bars from refusing alcoholic drink orders to mothers-to-be
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Repped for logic
you are by far the dumbest person on this forum. just LOL @ you.
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post 1441313301 05-10-2016, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted By badbl00d⏩
Spare me. She's just another "sl00t" for you to talk chit about.
Ok...just because you apparently don't give a chit about child abuse, doesn't mean that no one else possibly can.
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Is this the same New York that doesn't want you to drink a large soda for health reasons?
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I like how this article had absolutely nothing to do with feminism yet here in the misc.... That's what it's about
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I can understand a bartender not wanting to serve a pregnant woman another drink when she's absolutely wasted and drunk out of her mind. But it's not the bartender's role to be playing judge.

Unless her baby pops out and starts drunk driving everywhere, it's none of the bartender's concern. Like someone already said, it's a liability issue.
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post 1441314531 05-10-2016, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted By MusicProducer⏩
I can understand a bartender not wanting to serve a pregnant woman another drink when she's absolutely wasted and drunk out of her mind. But it's not the bartender's role to be playing judge.

Unless her baby pops out and starts drunk driving everywhere, it's none of the bartender's concern. Like someone already said, it's a liability issue.
I don't think bartenders should be held liable for a baby being born with fas of course. But I do think that society as a whole should be playing the judge on this one, including bartenders, waiters, friends and family of the mother etc. I think when it comes to child abuse it should be everyones concern. The child's right to not be born with fas should trump the mother's right to a beer for 9 months. Can't quit for 9 months for the sake of your child? Then don't have a child.
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Originally Posted By celltechbrahz⏩
The law would give case against a bartender who refused even a wasted pregnant lady from getting another drink, if it reads as below:
So say i'm a bartender. Pregnant lady comes in, talking about her day, how she hates being pregnant...I empathize with her...cave and give her a glass of wine. Keeps talking I forget she's pregnant...to busy playing therapist so I pour another. I come to after she requests a third...now, I refuse, she gets upset (not drunk) starts crying, loses her cool, get's into her car and smashes into a stop sign. or whatever.

She can sue me because my refusal to serve caused her mental distress, and led to the crash?
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Originally Posted By crackersmaker⏩
bars are privately owned businesses, and should be allowed to refuse service to whomever they want
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Originally Posted By badbl00d⏩
So say i'm a bartender. Pregnant lady comes in, talking about her day, how she hates being pregnant...I empathize with her...cave and give her a glass of wine. Keeps talking I forget she's pregnant...to busy playing therapist so I pour another. I come to after she requests a third...now, I refuse, she gets upset (not drunk) starts crying, loses her cool, get's into her car and smashes into a stop sign. or whatever.

She can sue me because my refusal to serve caused her mental distress, and led to the crash?
Lol. No she can't. U mean maybe she could try but lol... Just no.
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Originally Posted By cookiefiend⏩
Ok...just because you apparently don't give a chit about child abuse, doesn't mean that no one else possibly can.
You're right...I just don't have the strength or mindset to care about some random child in New York. Forgive me for being so short sided. It's kids who get their heads caved in every single day. Kids who's parents talk to them like they're less than nothing. Kids going to bed without proper shelter, or food. In every town, city, state, province and country around the world, and this is your soapbox moment?

SPARE ME. I don't see threads on the misc talking about child abuse (it's eradication), or any abuse for that matter unless it comes from a woman.

There is a thread on the board about a judge in georgia using his authority to sexually abuse young men. The entire fuking thread was jokes, not one person took it srsly. But this one...Gotta tighten up, and let the world know how you really feel.
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post 1441315711 05-10-2016, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted By badbl00d⏩
You're right...I just don't have the strength or mindset to care about some random child in New York. Forgive me for being so short sided. It's kids who get their heads caved in every single day. Kids who's parents talk to them like they're less than nothing. Kids going to bed without proper shelter, or food. In every town, city, state, province and country around the world, and this is your soapbox moment?

SPARE ME. I don't see threads on the misc talking about child abuse, or any abuse for that matter unless it comes from a woman.
If there was a thread about any of that stuff obviously I would be dead against it to. What makes this any different to you?

Edit: as far as your edit goes, I haven't seen that thread but I've posted in other similar threads before and I do take sexual abuse on men very seriously, and it does frustrate me that those threads are always full of jokes. That doesn't make drinking while pregnant any less bad though, just because there are other bad things happening in the world also.
post 1441315971 05-10-2016, 11:51 AM
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you think these women care? if the baby is defective, they can just abort it. easy peasy. unless she got knocked up by a rich fellow, then she'll keep it for the bennies.
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Originally Posted By freeburn⏩
Lol. No she can't. U mean maybe she could try but lol... Just no.
Maybe she could with the new law. Since what the bartender did in that scenario is illegal. It still would be a hard case to win I think though. It would have to be proved that the crash was caused by her condition that was a direct result of the bartender's negligence.
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Why is it a bartender's job to tell her she can't have a drink anyways? If you're pregnant you know you're not supposed to drink, that's on the woman not a restaurant. Also, what happens when you refuse to serve a chick a drink because you think she's pregnant and she's really just fat? Goodnight sweet lawsuit.
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Originally Posted By badbl00d⏩
You're right...I just don't have the strength or mindset to care about some random child in New York. Forgive me for being so short sided. It's kids who get their heads caved in every single day. Kids who's parents talk to them like they're less than nothing. Kids going to bed without proper shelter, or food. In every town, city, state, province and country around the world, and this is your soapbox moment?

SPARE ME. I don't see threads on the misc talking about child abuse (it's eradication), or any abuse for that matter unless it comes from a woman.

There is a thread on the board about a judge in georgia using his authority to sexually abuse young men. The entire fuking thread was jokes, not one person took it srsly. But this one...Gotta tighten up, and let the world know how you really feel.
I see where you are coming from. But that is an event thread. This is a legal issues thread. If what that judge were doing was legal I think people would be posting outraged remarks rather than making jokes.
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Originally Posted By cookiefiend⏩
I don't think bartenders should be held liable for a baby being born with fas of course. But I do think that society as a whole should be playing the judge on this one, including bartenders, waiters, friends and family of the mother etc. I think when it comes to child abuse it should be everyones concern. The child's right to not be born with fas should trump the mother's right to a beer for 9 months. Can't quit for 9 months for the sake of your child? Then don't have a child.
I don't agree. For the same reasons that abortion is illegal I think society shouldn't try to police other people's pregnancies.

edit: I meant abortion is legal, not illegal, LOL
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Originally Posted By UGK4lyfe⏩
Why is it a bartender's job to tell her she can't have a drink anyways? If you're pregnant you know you're not supposed to drink, that's on the woman not a restaurant. Also, what happens when you refuse to serve a chick a drink because you think she's pregnant and she's really just fat? Goodnight sweet lawsuit.
Lmao. That's actually a fair point though. I remember there being a thing in the media here a few years back about a woman being outraged about being asked about her pregnancy by an airline when she wasn't pregnant.
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Originally Posted By MusicProducer⏩
I don't agree. For the same reasons that abortion is illegal I think society shouldn't try to police other people's pregnancies.
Even when they are intentionally doing something that's completely unnecessary that causes defects in children?
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Originally Posted By cookiefiend⏩
Even when they are intentionally doing something that's completely unnecessary andmaycause defects in children?
Yes. And I fixed that for you.
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Originally Posted By MusicProducer⏩
Yes. And I fixed that for you.
Fair enough, I wasnt trying to say it causes defects 100% of the time, just that we know it does cause defects.
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one as can't fathom how people think it's ok to do this kind of thing that can have life long effects to a child before its born, but not after.

When you have a child you should be willing to do anything in your power to keep them safe and healthy, not being willing to give up drinking for awhile isn't a great start.
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Lots of women have messed up babies because they under eat. These women know that they're under eating and know that under eating is bad for the baby. So should society police them?

Hypothetical: A pregnant woman goes to a supermarket each day to buy a head of lettuce. The same cashier works there every day and notices she barely eats and it's really bad for the baby. Should the cashier have the right to refuse ringing her up unless she buys more food?
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Originally Posted By IcePikachu⏩
Can she still get hit with child abuse?
This, women who drink while pregnant should be charged with contributing to a minor.
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Originally Posted By Distance⏩
Absolutely disgusting that some women would rather choose margaritas over their child's health. What are they going to do when the kid is born and they are faced with having to give up a lot more of their lifestyle than drinks on Friday night?
They can still opt out by placing em up for adoption. And they're probably happy using em as a scapegoat for disability checks
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Originally Posted By UGK4lyfe⏩
Why is it a bartender's job to tell her she can't have a drink anyways? If you're pregnant you know you're not supposed to drink, that's on the woman not a restaurant. Also, what happens when you refuse to serve a chick a drink because you think she's pregnant and she's really just fat? Goodnight sweet lawsuit.
Well a business should be able to refuse goods and services for whatever and to whomever they want.
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