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post 1441599041 05-11-2016, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted By Lightsout13
This thread needs some srs education on minimum wage and just economics in general. So many oversimplified responses ITT.
https://www.dol.gov/featured/minimum-wage/mythbuster
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Minimum Wage Mythbusters

Myth: Raising the minimum wage will only benefit teens.

Not true: The typical minimum wage worker is not a high school student earning weekend pocket money. In fact, 89 percent of those who would benefit from a federal minimum wage increase to $12 per hour are age 20 or older, and 56 percent are women.

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: In a letter to President Obama and congressional leaders urging a minimum wage increase, more than 600 economists, including 7 Nobel Prize winners wrote, "In recent years there have been important developments in the academic literature on the effect of increases in the minimum wage on employment, with the weight of evidence now showing that increases in the minimum wage have had little or no negative effect on the employment of minimum-wage workers, even during times of weakness in the labor market. Research suggests that a minimum-wage increase could have a small stimulative effect on the economy as low-wage workers spend their additional earnings, raising demand and job growth, and providing some help on the jobs front."

Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A July 2015 survey found that 3 out of 5 small business owners with employees support a gradual increase in the minimum wage to $12. The survey reports that small business owners say an increase "would immediately put more money in the pocket of low-wage workers who will then spend the money on things like housing, food, and gas. This boost in demand for goods and services will help stimulate the economy and help create opportunities."

Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would hurt restaurants.

Not true: In California, employers are required to pay servers the full minimum wage of $9 per hour before tips. Even with a 2014 increase in the minimum wage, the National Restaurant Association projects California restaurant sales will outpace all but only a handful of states in 2015.

Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would lead to restaurant job losses.

Not true: As of May 2015, employers in San Francisco must pay tipped workers the full minimum wage of $12.25 per hour before tips. Yet, the San Francisco leisure and hospitality industry, which includes full-service restaurants, has experienced positive job growth this year, including following the most recent minimum wage increase.

Myth: Raising the federal minimum wage won't benefit workers in states where the hourly minimum rate is already higher than the federal minimum.

Not true: While 29 states and the District of Columbia currently have a minimum wage higher than the federal minimum, increasing the federal minimum wage will boost the earnings for nearly 38 million low-wage workers nationwide. That includes workers in those states already earning above the current federal minimum. Raising the federal minimum wage is an important part of strengthening the economy. A raise for minimum wage earners will put more money in more families' pockets, which will be spent on goods and services, stimulating economic growth locally and nationally.

Myth: Younger workers don't have to be paid the minimum wage.

Not true: While there are some exceptions, employers are generally required to pay at least the federal minimum wage. Exceptions allowed include a minimum wage of $4.25 per hour for young workers under the age of 20, but only during their first 90 consecutive calendar days of employment with an employer, and as long as their work does not displace other workers. After 90 consecutive days of employment or the employee reaches 20 years of age, whichever comes first, the employee must receive the current federal minimum wage or the state minimum wage, whichever is higher. There are programs requiring federal certification that allow for payment of less than the full federal minimum wage, but those programs are not limited to the employment of young workers.

Myth: Restaurant servers don't need to be paid the minimum wage since they receive tips.

Not true: An employer can pay a tipped employee as little as $2.13 per hour in direct wages, but only if that amount plus tips equal at least the federal minimum wage and the worker retains all tips and customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. Often, an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage. When that occurs, the employer must make up the difference. Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, he or she is entitled to the provisions of each law which provides the greater benefits.

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage is bad for businesses.

Not true: Academic research has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage is bad for the economy.

Not true: Since 1938, the federal minimum wage has been increased 22 times. For more than 75 years, real GDP per capita has steadily increased, even when the minimum wage has been raised.

Myth: The federal minimum wage goes up automatically as prices increase.

Not true: While some states have enacted rules in recent years triggering automatic increases in their minimum wages to help them keep up with inflation, the federal minimum wage does not operate in the same manner. An increase in the federal minimum wage requires approval by Congress and the president. However, in his call to gradually increase the current federal minimum, President Obama has also called for it to adjust automatically with inflation. Eliminating the requirement of formal congressional action would likely reduce the amount of time between increases, and better help low-income families keep up with rising prices.

Myth: The federal minimum wage is higher today than it was when President Reagan took office.

Not true: While the federal minimum wage was only $3.35 per hour in 1981 and is currently $7.25 per hour in real dollars, when adjusted for inflation, the current federal minimum wage would need to be more than $8 per hour to equal its buying power of the early 1980s and more nearly $11 per hour to equal its buying power of the late 1960s. That's why President Obama is urging Congress to increase the federal minimum wage and give low-wage workers a much-needed boost.

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage lacks public support.

Not true: Raising the federal minimum wage is an issue with broad popular support. Polls conducted since February 2013 when President Obama first called on Congress to increase the minimum wage have consistently shown that an overwhelming majority of Americans support an increase.

Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will result in job losses for newly hired and unskilled workers in what some call a last-one-hired-equals-first-one-fired scenario.

Not true: Minimum wage increases have little to no negative effect on employment as shown in independent studies from economists across the country. Academic research also has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.

Myth: The minimum wage stays the same if Congress doesn't change it.

Not true: Congress sets the minimum wage, but it doesn't keep pace with inflation. Because the cost of living is always rising, the value of a new minimum wage begins to fall from the moment it is set
I don't think a lot of this applies to suddenly over doubling the minimum wage, in fact nearly tripling, as described in the OP.
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Originally Posted By holtmcg
First off, LOL @OL @ being a CPA. Secondly, you couldn't be more incorrect. I've worked with ExxonMobil in the past (back when I worked in oil & gas) and let me tell you, they pay little, and I meanLITTLEto no taxes. It's scary tbh.[/QUOTE]I'm an entrepreneur who is certified and I make 350k a year as a consultant now so lol at you. What they pay is public and corporate income is double taxed.

You don't know what you are talking about.
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Originally Posted By criminal_manne
I'm an entrepreneur who is certified and I make 350k a year as a consultant now so lol at you. What they pay is public and corporate income is double taxed.

You don't know what you are talking about.
Legit LOL'ing about talking about money on misc... Lol, just lol. Trolls gunnnn troll boyo.
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Originally Posted By YWOC
http://inequality.org/minimum-wage/





b-b-b-but how am I supposed to feel superior making $16/hr at my retail management job if some burger flipper is making only $1 less than me?

b-b-b-but that burger flipper is getting paid enough to live and they're not even doctors!!! how are these poor multi-billion dollar corporations supposed to sustain themselves

Late stage capitalism is a cancer that turns the lower class idiots against each other.


You, and the unfortunate people that think like you, are a big problem in the US.
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Originally Posted By Lightsout13
This thread needs some srs education on minimum wage and just economics in general. So many oversimplified responses ITT.
https://www.dol.gov/featured/minimum-wage/mythbuster
US Department of Labor btw^

Minimum Wage Mythbusters
LOL at using Obama's DOL as a source, who's sources are letters and one narrow study.

Here's a real source for you.

ftp://ftp.iza.org/RePEc/Discussionpaper/dp2570.pdf
We review the burgeoning literature on the employment effects of minimum wages – in the
United States and other countries – that was spurred by the new minimum wage research
beginning in the early 1990s. Our review indicates that there is a wide range of existing
estimates and, accordingly, a lack of consensus about the overall effects on low-wage
employment of an increase in the minimum wage. However, the oft-stated assertion that
recent research fails to support the traditional view that the minimum wage reduces the
employment of low-wage workers is clearly incorrect. A sizable majority of the studies
surveyed in this monograph give a relatively consistent (although not always statistically
significant) indication of negative employment effects of minimum wages.In addition, among
the papers we view as providing the most credible evidence, almost all point to negative
employment effects, both for the United States as well as for many other countries.

To sum up. My source is a collection of studies done across the world spanning many decades, and they all nearly universally conclude that minimum wages kill jobs, and most of those lost are jobs requiring low skills. You know, the very people you claim you are trying to help.

GTFO with your poverty Obama propaganda.
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LOL@supporters of increasing minimum wage thinking it hurts the rich.

It only hurts the middle class. No one else.

Businesses just raise prices. The middle class can't raise their salary so at the end of the day the resulting inflation only hurts them.
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Originally Posted By Schism45
LOL@supporters of increasing minimum wage thinking it hurts the rich.

It only hurts the middle class. No one else.

Businesses just raise prices. The middle class can't raise their salary so at the end of the day the resulting inflation only hurts them.
did you even read the thread?

nobody is claiming otherwise, we all realize that, we just also happen to realize how businesses have been shafting their workers for years by increasing the price of goods and services and not raising wages
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Originally Posted By holtmcg
First off, LOL @OL @ being a CPA. Secondly, you couldn't be more incorrect. I've worked with ExxonMobil in the past (back when I worked in oil & gas) and let me tell you, they pay little, and I meanLITTLEto no taxes. It's scary tbh.[/QUOTE]20% taxation is "little". What a ridiculous, trolling liar[img]//assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

When did you work with Exxon Mobil, in what role, and why are you clueless about their publicly released annual reports?
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Raising the minimum wage will just give companies more incentive to automize everything, leaving a lot of poor people with no jobs
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Agreed.
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Please, tell us more about how awful capitalism is
It's unbelievable that this is what passes for an argument these days.
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now I get that personal responsibility needs to be taken into consideration, but major corporations blatantly exploit natural human tendencies, and the population pays the price in the form of their health, financial situation, standard of living and so on.


I am in no way supporting communism (socialism itself is not a bad thing, it is just a buzzword people use to make something appear bad), but our modern capitalism has some very significant flaws.

Also, please don't post framed pictures with words on them and use that as an argument. It is really unbecoming.
This.



The sad fact of the matter is that this notion of increasing worker's minimum wageruin the economy as people imagined, but actually bolstered it, as history has shown before.


Henry Ford knew of this, and acted on this very notion.


The logic of miscers who are against the increase of minimum wage essentially goes like this:
-increased min wage means corporations will lose money
-corporations losing money means they will leave the US (this logic is already so idiotic and is so far removed from the reality of what is already happening today)
-corporations leaving the US means no jobs (bend over backwards to slowly erode your country; shuttling water out of a sinking ship instead of repairing the fault of the problem)
-no jobs means more taxes used for social programs
-people living off of their/your money
-etc.


The reality is more so the following:
-corporations won't lose money, they just won't make as much as they do (initially)
-the money corporations make don't go back into the economy, as many of you seem to think, many of the wealthy horde their money..it's how they become wealthy, not through the broken idea of trickle-down economics
-the rich don't spend money back into the economy at anywhere near the rate they make it; they aren't going out and buying American made cars every day of the year, buying 10,000 t-shirts a year, 40,000 dress shirts, getting 50,000 cars serviced
-Money is horded
-what has been PROVEN to work is that increased the earnings of lower - middle class americans is what truly vitalizes the economy
-increased min wages, increased capital, increased spending = greater jobs, more production, more service, etc.
-money accumulated by the wealthy tends to stay trapped and does not enter the economy at rates many of you even think they do




Cliffs:
-The US has about 600 Billionaires (we can make the assumption these are the top dogs of most businesses, and were the majority of wealth accumulates) vs 310 Million People (I've subtracted about 12 Million people who would be considered millionaires)
-If you were to compare who spends more, and how much of that spending goes back into the American (it's key that we are talking about American economy, not homes, estates, holdings, capital in some other country) economy through purchasing goods, services, and whatever, who do you think would be the bigger contributor?

Spoiler!
The obvious answer is 310 Million People
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Originally Posted By YWOC
http://inequality.org/minimum-wage/





b-b-b-but how am I supposed to feel superior making $16/hr at my retail management job if some burger flipper is making only $1 less than me?

b-b-b-but that burger flipper is getting paid enough to live and they're not even doctors!!! how are these poor multi-billion dollar corporations supposed to sustain themselves

Late stage capitalism is a cancer that turns the lower class idiots against each other.
There should be no minimum wage.

People earn what their labor is worth. It is worth what they are willing to pay. It is wrong to require someone to pay more than they think a person's labor is worth.

If people what higher salaries, they should gain skills that people are willing to pay more for.
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Originally Posted By CheekyRasta
did you even read the thread?

nobody is claiming otherwise, we all realize that, we just also happen to realize how businesses have been shafting their workers for years by increasing the price of goods and services and not raising wages
If you realize that this practice only hurts the middle class, and you still are in favour of drastically raising minimum wage above inflation, you need to give your head a shake.

At least the unemployed neckbeards that think it impoverishes the rich think they're doing something without harm.
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Originally Posted By knownas
Raising the minimum wage will just give companies more incentive to automize everything, leaving a lot of poor people with no jobs
lol at thinking they wont do that anyway if it saves them money
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Originally Posted By nutsy54
20% taxation is "little". What a ridiculous, trolling liar

When did you work with Exxon Mobil, in what role, and why are you clueless about their publicly released annual reports?
That is absolutely none of your business.
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Originally Posted By BeefyMcNasty
LOL at using Obama's DOL as a source, who's sources are letters and one narrow study.

Here's a real source for you.

ftp://ftp.iza.org/RePEc/Discussionpaper/dp2570.pdf





To sum up. My source is a collection of studies done across the world spanning many decades, and they all nearly universally conclude that minimum wages kill jobs, and most of those lost are jobs requiring low skills. You know, the very people you claim you are trying to help.

GTFO with your poverty Obama propaganda.
Couldn't even open the PDF cause your file is chit. But anyway,


http://www.epi.org/publication/raisi...o-1010/#_note1
http://www.epi.org/publication/raisi...o-1010/#_note1


1. Californias increase is particularly noteworthy: The California state minimum wage will rise from $8 per hour today to $9 per hour in January 2014, and then to $10 per hour in January 2015. Connecticuts minimum wage will rise to $8.40 in 2014 and $9 in 2015. New Yorks minimum wage will be $8 in 2014, $8.75 in 2015, and $9 in 2016. New Jerseys minimum wage will become $8.25 in 2014 and grow with inflation thereafter. Rhode Islands minimum wage will be $8 beginning in 2014.

2. It should be noted that the increases proposed under the Harkin-Miller bill are indeed modest in size, consistent with past minimum-wage increases. The proposed increases are smaller in percentage terms than the most recent minimum-wage hike in 20072009, both when evaluated in nominal or real dollars. In fact, the average of the single-year increases proposed in the Harkin-Miller bill are smaller percentage increases, than the average of all previous minimum-wage increases, both in nominal and real terms. This is true even excluding the increase in 1950, when the minimum wage was raised by 87.5 percent. (See Appendix Table 3.)
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Originally Posted By holtmcg
No, no, no. Their net INCOME was $22 billion, which the government DID absolutely NOT take $5.4 billion of. The government took $5.4 billion out of their $270 billion REVENUE.

Stop trolling, you sad, old man.
If you're claiming taxes are based on gross revenue, and not net... You just confirmed you're either an ignorant liar, or a blatant troll. Sad little self-admitted troll is sad.
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Originally Posted By whitepaper
It's unbelievable that this is what passes for an argument these days.

-corporations won't lose money, they just won't make as much as they do (initially)
It's unbelievable that you think a minimum wage hike would only hurt corporations.

Who employs more people? Corporations or small businesses?
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you enjoy living in a country where people value education as much as how well their groceries are bagged? Teachers with 1-10 years experience BARELY make above that. No one else in the middle class will see a 30-40% increase in their salary. Only the lower class will be pushed closer to the middle. In other words, the middle class is now lower class. Making the gap between wealthy and poor even bigger.

Your an idiot if you think everyone deserves at least $15/hr. Should be based on where you live, not a full country standard.
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Originally Posted By holtmcg
That is absolutely none of your business.
Caught in yet another trolling lie you can't defend or prove....
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Originally Posted By nutsy54
If you're claiming taxes are based on gross revenue, and not net... You just confirmed you're either an ignorant liar, or a blatant troll. Sad little self-admitted troll is sad.
Why do you constantly, and I meanCONSTANTLYtroll not only the R/P, but the main misc too?



You're 46, bubba. Time to lay off the internet instead of trolling (very, very serious).
post 1441605191 05-11-2016, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted By Schism45
If you realize that this practice only hurts the middle class, and you still are in favour of drastically raising minimum wage above inflation, you need to give your head a shake.

At least the unemployed neckbeards that think it impoverishes the rich think they're doing something without harm.
what part of cost of goods and services skyrocketing, while wages staying stagnant for years are you not getting?

executives have been getting away with murder, its about time they gave back to the people who lined their pockets

now their is a massive difference between recognizing the problem and thinking they are actually incentivized to do anything about it
post 1441605321 05-11-2016, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted By nutsy54
Caught in yet another trolling lie you can't defend or prove....
I was an upstream geologist for ExxonMobil. I worked a contract position. A position which I no longer hold. Why do you care so much???
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Originally Posted By whitepaper
-the rich don't spend money back into the economy at anywhere near the rate they make it; they aren't going out and buying American made cars every day of the year, buying 10,000 t-shirts a year, 40,000 dress shirts, getting 50,000 cars serviced
-Money is horded

Cliffs:
-The US has about 600 Billionaires (we can make the assumption these are the top dogs of most businesses, and were the majority of wealth accumulates) vs 310 Million People (I've taken out about 12 Million people who would be considered millionaires.
-If you were to compare who spends more, and how much of that spending goes back into the American (it's key that we are talking about American economy, not homes, estates, holdings, capital in some other country) economy through purchasing goods, services, and whatever, who do you think would be the bigger contributor?

Spoiler!
The obvious answer is 310 Million People
Cucks like you are funny.

1. The rich don't "hoard" - they aren't hiding their money under their bed. Their money is circulating in the economy in the forms of investments - stocks/loans/real estate/etc. This is FAR MORE productive and healthy for an economy than 30 million Joe Blow's buying a pack of cigarettes.

2. Corporations won't lose any money or make any less money. They will simply raise prices, the same as they do for any form of inflation.

All that money comes straight out of the middle class who can't defend against inflation and eat the cost. Policies like these are why America's middle class has been shrinking relative to the population for the 70's.
post 1441605581 05-11-2016, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted By holtmcg
Why do you constantly, and I meanCONSTANTLYtroll not only the R/P, but the main misc too?



You're 46, bubba. Time to lay off the internet instead of trolling (very, very serious).
Keep on lying, trolling, and trying to change the subject from your lies and trolling. What a sad life you live.
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