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05-11-2016, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted By CheekyRasta⏩
LOL@you thinking "executives getting away with murder" would be the ones paying for this.what part of cost of goods and services skyrocketing, while wages staying stagnant for years are you not getting?
executives have been getting away with murder, its about time they gave back to the people who lined their pockets
now their is a massive difference between recognizing the problem and thinking they are actually incentivized to do anything about it
executives have been getting away with murder, its about time they gave back to the people who lined their pockets
now their is a massive difference between recognizing the problem and thinking they are actually incentivized to do anything about it
05-11-2016, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted By CheekyRasta⏩
A low minimum wage could deter that possibility though (but probably not). Either way, the robots are going to take our jobs and 99% of people will have to depend on the government.lol at thinking they wont do that anyway if it saves them money
05-11-2016, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted By holtmcg⏩
So, a "geologist" claims to know Exxon Mobil's net income, but is too stupid to read their annual reports? And can't understand the difference between Gross and Net revenue? Damn, you're sad.I was an upstream geologist for ExxonMobil. I worked a contract position. A position which I no longer hold. Why do you care so much???
05-11-2016, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted By CheekyRasta⏩
Exactly, and if the minimum wage goes up like this it will save them moneylol at thinking they wont do that anyway if it saves them money
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
You shouldn'twantto but you should beableto.Back to reality, if you're trying to live off of minimum wage, you're a moron.
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05-11-2016, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩
LOL @ putting geologist in quotation marks. What a sad life you live, old man.So, a "geologist" claims to know Exxon Mobil's net income, but is too stupid to read their annual reports? And can't understand the difference between Gross and Net revenue? Damn, you're sad.
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05-11-2016, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Schism45⏩
LOL@you thinking "executives getting away with murder" would be the ones paying for this.
now their is a massive difference between recognizing the problem and thinking they are actually incentivized to do anything about it
reading comprehension of peace
05-11-2016, 07:32 PM
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05-11-2016, 07:33 PM
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OP got you all toastin
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05-11-2016, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted By cookiefiend⏩
i am not claiming otherwise?Exactly, and if the minimum wage goes up like this it will save them money
i am just pointing out the fact that if they were decent human beings, they would have been raising wages in accordance with inflation
05-11-2016, 07:37 PM
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05-11-2016, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted By CheekyRasta⏩
I'm not sure if anyone disagrees with that. All my arguments have been against doing it in the way spelled out in the OP.i am not claiming otherwise?
i am just pointing out the fact that if they were decent human beings, they would have been raising wages in accordance with inflation
i am just pointing out the fact that if they were decent human beings, they would have been raising wages in accordance with inflation
05-11-2016, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted By BrotienShake⏩
Yeah that was obvious once he had nothing else to say except name calling. I've never seen the article he referred to though so it's been interesting discussing it.OP got you all toastin
05-11-2016, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted By cookiefiend⏩
okay so if they should have been doing that all along, why now are they unable to match it?I'm not sure if anyone disagrees with that. All my arguments have been against doing it in the way spelled out in the OP.
only reasons i could think of are mismanagement or not wanting to give back excess profits
05-11-2016, 07:42 PM
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I dont believe ANYONE on the misc is qualified to know for a certainty this should happen.
What happens to all the jobs where people only make $3-5/hr more? The jobs that hold the US together...the middle class.
You would need to find a way to PROPERLY compensate every single other person. If you go from 7-8/hr to 15/hr that police offer, teacher, fireman or that 9-5 office worker needs that exact bump. If not 90-100% boost like the minimum wage workers are getting, it needs to be something.
Why do a lot of you want to widen the wealth and poor gap? Thats all this will do.
I will say something needs to be done but Im not about to ramble on about how $15/hr will solve all the problems.
Why do I feel like the misc just lets all that go right over their head.
Is the misc full of people making over $150k/year? Some of you talk about it like its going to save the US and bring balance to everything...or your saying "FUK IT" I make $60/hr, why not give all the poor people $15/hr, its still WAY less then what I make.
What happens to all the jobs where people only make $3-5/hr more? The jobs that hold the US together...the middle class.
You would need to find a way to PROPERLY compensate every single other person. If you go from 7-8/hr to 15/hr that police offer, teacher, fireman or that 9-5 office worker needs that exact bump. If not 90-100% boost like the minimum wage workers are getting, it needs to be something.
Why do a lot of you want to widen the wealth and poor gap? Thats all this will do.
I will say something needs to be done but Im not about to ramble on about how $15/hr will solve all the problems.
Why do I feel like the misc just lets all that go right over their head.
Is the misc full of people making over $150k/year? Some of you talk about it like its going to save the US and bring balance to everything...or your saying "FUK IT" I make $60/hr, why not give all the poor people $15/hr, its still WAY less then what I make.
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05-11-2016, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted By CheekyRasta⏩
reading comprehension of peace
nowtheir is a massive difference between recognizing the problem and thinking they are actually incentivized to do anything about it
Writing ability of peace.You still haven't dealt with the issue that minimum wage increases only impact the middle class.
05-11-2016, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted By CheekyRasta⏩
As I said earlier, the corporations that do have the excess money to be able to give back the excess profits still are not going to do that. You agreed with that. So that leads to prices of everything going up, which leads to minimum wage workers being in the same place as they are now.okay so if they should have been doing that all along, why now are they unable to match it?
only reasons i could think of are mismanagement or not wanting to give back excess profits
only reasons i could think of are mismanagement or not wanting to give back excess profits
05-11-2016, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted By Schism45⏩
not just minimum wage, all positions in a company should be matched to inflationWriting ability of peace.
You still haven't dealt with the issue that minimum wage increases only impact the middle class.
You still haven't dealt with the issue that minimum wage increases only impact the middle class.
05-11-2016, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted By Schism45⏩
Amazes me people still haven't grasped the definition of cuck yet.Cucks like you are funny.
1. The rich don't "hoard" - they aren't hiding their money under their bed. Their money is circulating in the economy in the forms of investments - stocks/loans/real estate/etc. This is FAR MORE productive and healthy for an economy than 30 million Joe Blow's buying a pack of cigarettes.
2. Corporations won't lose any money or make any less money. They will simply raise prices, the same as they do for any form of inflation.
All that money comes straight out of the middle class who can't defend against inflation and eat the cost. Policies like these are why America's middle class has been shrinking relative to the population for the 70's.
1. The rich don't "hoard" - they aren't hiding their money under their bed. Their money is circulating in the economy in the forms of investments - stocks/loans/real estate/etc. This is FAR MORE productive and healthy for an economy than 30 million Joe Blow's buying a pack of cigarettes.
2. Corporations won't lose any money or make any less money. They will simply raise prices, the same as they do for any form of inflation.
All that money comes straight out of the middle class who can't defend against inflation and eat the cost. Policies like these are why America's middle class has been shrinking relative to the population for the 70's.
1. Stocks, loans, real estate...you've truly listed the source of nearly every economic hardship the US has faced in the last ~10 years. The ways these systems are used now do nothing but create a debt ridden economy that can barely hold itself together. You also delude yourself into thinking that any money put into the above means aids the economy in any meaningful way. Simply perpetuating the cycle. All avenues for the depletion of wealth from the American economy and people into a few hands. As I said, wealth is accumulated at the top, and the notion of trickle down economics is a fallacy.
2. Wages/prices are already at an unreasonable ratio. An increase in price will do nothing for either problem.
The middle class is being hacked away at both ends; don't delude yourself otherwise. The ceiling is being pushed further and further down, while bits are being chomped at from the bottom. Again, we come back to this notion of trickle down economics that is still so fuking pervasive, because everyone thinks that when it's their time to strike it rich and live "the American dream", they want to keep all of what they have now. The promise of riches tends to cloud people's minds, and makes them subservient to the thoughts of "If and when", as opposed to the "now". Add to this the disparity between wages (not just minimum wages) and the increased cost of living, andthat'swhy the middle class is disappearing.
This entire argument is one for the middle class as well as the lower class. You'd be foolish to think the problems aren't rooted in the same cause.
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Originally Posted By Water_American⏩
this is not how objective reality or science works. I too was 14-17 year old kid once who worked minimum wage jobs. I also lived on Earth. Your post is worthless.I was a 14-17 year old kid once. I worked many minimum wage jobs. My citation is having lived on Earth.
Originally Posted By JB05⏩
Source: the 'nutrition label' on the 'food' container.Source? A legitimate one? (Alex Jones is not legitimate)
So what? We need to ban "as seen on TV" products because people are stupid? People are free to succeed or to fail under capitalism. They can make good choices or bad choices with their money, and either suffer the consequences or reap the rewards. You want to remove that choice?
So what? We need to ban "as seen on TV" products because people are stupid? People are free to succeed or to fail under capitalism. They can make good choices or bad choices with their money, and either suffer the consequences or reap the rewards. You want to remove that choice?
Keeping in mind that '100% Beef' is the name of the company and not the actual ingredients so legally they can put it on the label.
check out the sodium content bro (on the nutrition label). then check out the impact of sodium on the brain. Too potato? let me help...
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=effect of sodium
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Originally Posted By CheekyRasta⏩
So everyones wages should nearly triple, but to cover this you expect the ceo to slash his wages instead of getting machines or passing the cost onto consumers?not just minimum wage, all positions in a company should be matched to inflation
05-11-2016, 07:51 PM
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leave it to a cuck from chicago to say this. then again he's a well known troll so...
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Ok, so buy organic if you don't like it.this is not how objective reality or science works. I too was 14-17 year old kid once who worked minimum wage jobs. I also lived on Earth. Your post is worthless.
Source: the 'nutrition label' on the 'food' container.
Keeping in mind that '100% Beef' is the name of the company and not the actual ingredients so legally they can put it on the label.
check out the sodium content bro (on the nutrition label). then check out the impact of sodium on the brain. Too potato? let me help...
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=effectof sodium
Source: the 'nutrition label' on the 'food' container.
Keeping in mind that '100% Beef' is the name of the company and not the actual ingredients so legally they can put it on the label.
check out the sodium content bro (on the nutrition label). then check out the impact of sodium on the brain. Too potato? let me help...
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=effectof sodium
Oh, but that's too expensive? You should get everything you want for cheap? That's not how the world works.
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Originally Posted By cookiefiend⏩
you are talking in circlesAs I said earlier, the corporations that do have the excess money to be able to give back the excess profits still are not going to do that. You agreed with that. So that leads to prices of everything going up, which leads to minimum wage workers being in the same place as they are now.
we agree they have NO INCENTIVE to do it, but it would be the FAIR thing to do
and corporations (while they do often have advantages when it comes to tax avoidance and government subsidies) are no different in many respects to small businesses
small businesses may have less profit, but they have 1)less people to share that profit amongst and 2)less employees to compensate
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Originally Posted By Water_American⏩
I was a 14-17 year old kid once. I worked many minimum wage jobs. My citation is having lived on Earth.
Originally Posted By JB05⏩
Source? A legitimate one? (Alex Jones is not legitimate)
So what? We need to ban "as seen on TV" products because people are stupid? People are free to succeed or to fail under capitalism. They can make good choices or bad choices with their money, and either suffer the consequences or reap the rewards. You want to remove that choice?
So what? We need to ban "as seen on TV" products because people are stupid? People are free to succeed or to fail under capitalism. They can make good choices or bad choices with their money, and either suffer the consequences or reap the rewards. You want to remove that choice?
Originally Posted By JB05⏩
yeah man, I never suggested buying everything organic.Ok, so buy organic if you don't like it.
Oh, but that's too expensive? You should get everything you want for cheap? That's not how the world works.
Oh, but that's too expensive? You should get everything you want for cheap? That's not how the world works.
you made that up.
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I have no sympathy for people who cry about minimum wage. It should stay the way it is. I worked a minimum wage job until i was 23, I worked my ass off for peanuts. I didnt go out and finance a BMW so i can pretend to be ballin. I didnt eat out every day at fancy restaurants, I didnt have a kid while doing it, I didnt dig myself into a debt hole.
I lived pretty ****ing good. I was able to put away $600-$800 away a month, Which is probably more than a decent percentage of people put away.
Which brings me to my point, The wages is not the problem, Its peoples spending habits and stupid choices they make. That is the problem.
I lived pretty ****ing good. I was able to put away $600-$800 away a month, Which is probably more than a decent percentage of people put away.
Which brings me to my point, The wages is not the problem, Its peoples spending habits and stupid choices they make. That is the problem.
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Originally Posted By cookiefiend⏩
we are talking hypotheticalsSo everyones wages should nearly triple, but to cover this you expect the ceo to slash his wages instead of getting machines or passing the cost onto consumers?
i am under no illusion they would actually voluntarily go through with it
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I'm not even going to argue over this.
I will just keep watching all the fast food joints replace these protestors jobs with machines. Which i see pictures of on ******** every week.
They burger flipping machines, they got self checkout machines, and now Target has machines that check inventory.
The time they take too protest. They could have been in school, learning how to maintenance the same machines that will replace their Mcburger job.
I will just keep watching all the fast food joints replace these protestors jobs with machines. Which i see pictures of on ******** every week.
They burger flipping machines, they got self checkout machines, and now Target has machines that check inventory.
The time they take too protest. They could have been in school, learning how to maintenance the same machines that will replace their Mcburger job.
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