Hence why I supplement my fox viewing with Drudge.

On a side note, I rarely watch fox commentary. I listen in on the big news stories and that's about it. I get most of my commentary from talk radio.

I'm not, boyo. Just baffled that people watch it LOL. Terrible news source is terrible nomsayin

I don't watch the news.

I get my news from online forums like the misc or reddit. On the internet there are two sides arguing over it where as on the tv there is just one side that is fact spinning and forcing propaganda.

You can't just take some idiot's word for it.. you have to dig, fact find and come to your own conclusion. Just like with religion ayyy

I'm not either, boyo. Just baffled that people will call themselves a moderate yet refuse to acknowledge which party they're a moderate of. Totally ignorant nomsayin

Reddit is a Bernie circle jerk apparently. No thx, Ned.

What part of "I don't identify with a party" did you not understand, pippy? LOL!

100% this.

Also see that ywoc is clueless about more than just sports.

Can you be more specific?

He claims he's intellectually superior(aka doesn't feel the need to provide logical arguments for any of his claims).

Well, their social issues are abysmal, their fiscal policies are abysmal, their foreign policy is abysmal, and their ideology is abysmal. There is a reason why both of the major economic collapses happened under Republican regime. Their policies simply don't work. Look at the failure of Kansas. Fiscal conservatism is a mess. It's a big fat mess.

So basically, Republicans are abysmal.

Now that right there is a strong, logic backed, intellectually superior argument.

Which social issues? Which fiscal policies? How does the foreign policy of our Republican legislators differ from that of our Democratic legislators? What ideology? The economic collapse happened in 2009, when Obama was president.

I said their policies were. Fiscal conservatism doesn't work. It led Kansas intoDISASTERmode when they took Reaganomics to a state level.

The Great Recession happened in 2008, pal. You know, when GWB was in office...

So Reagan's economic policy didn't work in Kansas...and that makes all Republican fiscal policies bad?

They've always, always based their policies off of tax cuts for big businesses, while the middle class takes the biggest hit. This economic policy has been proven over four decades to NOT work. It never has, it never will.

Also, while you're bashing Reagan...

A few interesting stats from his presidency.

President Reagans polices actually led to:

-20 Million new jobs.
-Lower unemployment from 7.6% to 5.5%.
-Inflation reduced by 69.63% (13.5% to 4.1%).
-Real U.S. GDP up 26%.
-Interest rates went down by over 50% from 21.5% to 10%.
-Taxes went down, and government revenue went up.
-Government spending plunged from 10% in 1982, to just over 1% in 1987.
-Net worth of families earning between $20K and $50K/ yr. grew by +27%.


All of this occurred WITHOUT a single war in Reagans 8 year term.

The 2008 recession was NOT Bush's fault.

Looks like you've become another one of the mindless drones brainwashed by Obama.

So Bush had eight years to help stop a massive bubble, but instead he deregulates Wall St even more, yet it's not his fault? If you're going down that route, nothing that Obama has done is his fault either because he had to clean up Bush's mess.



Logic, not even once.

Everybody got laid off in 2009. Right after Obama took office. What were you doing in 2009 when everybody else was looking for work?

1) Bush inherited a bad economy. The FEDS(not Bush) raised interest rates from 1998-2000 due to fear of inflation. That inflation never happened, and the higher interest rates killed the booming dot com market.

2) The dot com burst led to the recession of 2000-2002. This was the FEDS fault for raising interest rates...not Bush.

3) The economy had slowly begin to recover in 2001. Then 9/11 came along. Economists across the board agreed that the 9/11 attack sent the economy back into recession.

Bush did not cause 9/11, so this was not his fault either.

4) Hurricane Katrina hit in 2005 causing $108 BILLION in damage. Before the storm, the area supported around 1000 farm jobs.

Again, not Bush's fault.

5) In January 2006, the sub-prime mortgage business peaked and began showing signs of weakness in the housing market.

Millions of people, not President Bush took out loans to buy homes from the FED’s record low interest rates that helped fuel the housing bubble. What people did not count on is two things:

1. That interest rates will never go up, and

2. That home prices will never go down.

Millions of people took out adjustable rate mortgages who were not considering that “adjustable rate” means it can move higher if interest rates go up.



6) From 2004-2006, the FEDS again raised interest rates aggressively to deal with the Housing Bubble.



7) Now the FED was part to blame in the Housing Crash. The Housing Crash can be traced back to the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977(CRA). This government housing policy was about forcing banks to lower credit standards so people with little or no money could buy a home. This policy started under President Carter, got worse under Clinton, and was allowed to continue under Bush.

Under the CRA, the U.S. government would guarantee a conforming mortgage loan, especially for those who would not ordinarily quality for a loan. That obviously makes sense, right? Loan money to people who can’t pay it back?

All Presidents and various political interests had an influence over low credit standards in the housing market over the decades. It was government continually lowering the credit standards that helped create the housing crash.

Bush did not cause the Housing Crash, however his Administration allowed policies to continue from Jimmy Carter who launched the problem, to Clinton who expanded the problem.

The U.S. government magnified the Housing Crash by not having any risk management controls in place for the last 75 years. This would be pretty much everyone’s fault in government or at least by those who should have known better and did not implement a risk management policy that was overseeing and guaranteeing Trillions of dollars in mortgages.

8) So we have the FED quickly pushing up interests rates from 1998-2000 and 2004-2006. Coincidentally a stock market bust occurred in 2000. A housing bust and a stock market bust both followed the FED’s aggressive rate hikes by late 2007. The economy fell into recession both times. How is this Bush’s fault again?


9) In 2008, Candidate Obama called President Bush adding $4 Trillion to the deficit “unpatriotic.”

Obama has added more than 10 trillion(more than every other president combined).


Now that I've supported my argument with logical, statiscal arguments...would you please do the same?

Huge fan of O'reilly, Hannity, Megyn Kelly

You fuking, miserable, conservative zombie, POS.



Notsrs


Reps on r/c. Love Hannity. Def my favorite.

And once again, he had EIGHT years to do something about all of that... But wait... Instead of saying "I f*cked up" let's just play the blame game. Nothing Obama has done is his fault he had to clean up Bush's mess.



/neverquit logic

"Nothing Obama has done is his fault"

You are a liberal sir.

I have nothing left. Someone else can pick it up from here. Whatever ya'll do, don't post a statistic/logic based argument. He'll blow right past it and provide nothing in return.

/liberal logic

Have it playing in the background right this minute.

Do people still watch MSNBC? (semi srs)

Al jazeera is goat TV channel crew







































not srs

wiki leaks, routers, live leak, fox news, abc to get a nice rounded picture

nope.

I'm using your own retarded logic and applying it to Obama to show you how flawed your "it wasn't his fault" logic really is. Obama has made some terrible mistakes that nobody should defend.