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post 1444140801 05-25-2016, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted By JeenyusJr⏩
Proof that history is written by the victors. You just create a story, teach it to your citizens, and 70 years later they'll all be regurgitating it verbatim to anyone who will listen as if they are totally convinced it's the truth. Plebs gonna pleb.
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Originally Posted By MA5Bergey⏩
Feel bad? Look up Unit 731.
Is this real fkn life?
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They attacked us.

Millions of Americans would have died during a Japanese ground invasion.

Both my grandparents were Army in 1945.

Myself and many others on the Misc probably wouldn't be here if the nuke wasn't dropped.

Fuk you OP.
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Originally Posted By ineedadrink⏩
This. Japanese war criminals were never tried as war criminals. And it was an American decision. And America was quite complicit in ignoring that many atrocities that the Japanese government/military committed. So yes, let's keep going on about how the Japanese were punished by the nukes when in reality the worst Japanese war criminals were actually pardoned.
Emperor Hirohito was treated as a celebrity worldwide until his death, I believe. Shiro Ishii got off so ****ing easy....
Arrested by the US occupation authorities at the end of World War II, Ishii and other Unit 731 leaders were to be thoroughly interrogated by the Soviet authorities.[9] Instead Ishii and his team managed to negotiate and receive immunity in 1946 from war-crimes prosecution before the Tokyo tribunal in exchange for their full disclosure of germ warfare data based on human experimentation. Although the Soviet authorities wished the prosecutions to take place, the United States objected after the reports of the investigating US microbiologists. Among these was Dr. Edwin Hill (Chief of Fort Detrick), whose report stated that the information was "absolutely invaluable", it "could never have been obtained in the United States because of scruples attached to experiments on humans", and "the information was obtained fairly cheaply".[9] On 6 May 1947, Douglas MacArthur wrote to Washington that "additional data, possibly some statements from Ishii probably can be obtained by informing Japanese involved that information will be retained in intelligence channels and will not be employed as 'War Crimes' evidence."[10] The deal was concluded in 1948.[citation needed] In this way Ishii was never prosecuted for any war crimes.

Richard Drayton, a Cambridge University history lecturer, claimed that Ishii later went to Maryland to advise on bioweapons.[11] If Ishii did travel to Maryland, it was most likely to advise at Fort Detrick, a well known major biomedical experimentation facility in Frederick, Maryland.[citation needed] Another source says he stayed in Japan, where he opened a clinic where he did examinations and treatments for free.[12] Ishii was especially concerned with the health of children.[citation needed] He kept a diary but it did not reference any of his wartime activity.[13] He died of throat cancer at the age of 67,[14] having, according to his daughter, converted to Catholicism[15] on his death bed.
Hell, some American generals and higher ups should've been put on trial for allowing this **** to happen.
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post 1444148551 05-25-2016, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted By Bassackwards⏩
killing/murdering over 240k innocent people was fukced up. imagine, half of them were probably children too. the US didn't have to drop them to win the war; japan was withering away since the fuel embargoes and naval blockades left them w/o anything to fuel their ships/planes. it was just a matter of time before they surrendered.

if anything, the US could have had a show of force and dropped the bombs in a less densely populated area to show they had the power to wipe them off the face of the earth or in the outskirts of a city.
You do realize 50 million people (mostly civilians) died in WW2 right? 240k is jack chit compared to the total and more relevantly, jack chit compared to the planned mainland invasion of Japan. Like multiple people ITT have mentioned, we are still using purple hearts that were made for that single invasion, haven't had to make any since...thats how bad our military was expecting it to be.

It would've been millions dead on Japan's side alone, mostly civilians. Oh and also mentioned is how Japan was refusing the US's surrenders because it was dealing with the Soviets on the side trying to use them to get a better surrender deal, one that would leave the Imperial system intact and if that happened we'd be dealing with them again a decade or two later.

Dropping the bombs on the outskirts of small cities or something similar is like giving an attacker a flesh wound instead of shooting him center mass until he drops.
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Originally Posted By conner50⏩
Wasn't defending the bombings, just stating what happened after that. Can't change history. Also, you should ask Koreans how they feel about those bombs, after being colonized, raped, tortured, killed, shipped off to Japan and left there to die.
this, the japanese did some ****ed up **** to korea and china. Thats why asians hate each so much, because of Japan.
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This thread is a clusterfuk of misinformation.

OP: Stop watching documentaries and read some books.

Read this for the against view:https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...shima-nagasaki
This for the For view:https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1960034.Retribution

And come to your own conclusion.

Reading the Max Hasting's one at the moment and it's good (though it's not all aout the atomic bombs). It's a bit skewed to the right but you need to read both sides to get the best answer/
Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
The reason you're typing this in English instead of Japanese is that savage Americans defeated the Japanese.
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post 1444169331 05-25-2016, 05:54 PM
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No regrets on either bomb and wouldn't have had any for the 3rd one that would have hit Tokyo. They were given days to surrender and chose not to before and after bomb 1.

They are lucky they didn't let it get to bomb 3.
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guess i'm not surprised by all the ameri bros standing up for a horrific killing of innocent lives 75 years ago by a bunch of sick phucks
you guys are truly brainwashed it's amazing, there is never justification for this kind of massacre
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History is always written by the victors.

In this thread we have Americans arguing for the nuclear bombing of Japan. Look up any article about the bombing of Dresden and you'll find hundreds of Brits arguing that it was justified in the comments section.
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Originally Posted By JewishSuperHero⏩
History is always written by the victors.

In this thread we have Americans arguing for the nuclear bombing of Japan. Look up any article about the bombing of Dresden and you'll find hundreds of Brits arguing that it was justified in the comments section.
that was against white people by white people so it's ok.
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Originally Posted By DieselRobert1⏩
Are you aware of the things the Japanese did to POW? They were accusations of them eating, EATING POW's, beheading etc. Nanking Massacre? They raped and pillaged women and children!

They bombed Pearl Harbor, men were entombed in their ships while they slept.

They did some sick **** and they needed cleansing.
Yeah you're right, but not a lot of soldiers died in the nukes man. More than 250,000 civilians died.
Should have nuked a less populated city if they wanted to showcase the nukes or a navy base.
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Its fukked up,
But it saved my country from japanese invation back then, so idk brah..
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Firstly, Japan didnt attack America unexpectedly.

Like in WW1, and WW2, America was not part of the war and no country wanted to fight them, in particular Germany, and Japan.

America was happily funding both wars and selling the arms. Basically drug dealers and loan sharks all in one. Same idea, never try your own product.

They joined both wars for other reasons. WW1 was because of other "interests" (balfour declaration). WW2, The Japanese were busy attacking asian countries for land (Korea, China, etc). When Japan attacked the Philippines(lil buddy friends), America stepped in and basically put a choke hold on Japan (blockades, restrictions etc) and Japan was going down for the count without a ref, so Japan threw a punch knowing Germany was ready for the tag.

America stepped in to a fight they were not a part of, so i wouldnt call Pearl harbor, however evil it was, a sucker punch. It was a very very ignorant and expensive mistake to not expect any sort of repercussions from the blockades and restrictions on Japan at that time and age.

Japan needed resources to secure all its offensives in the area, and without oil and metals, they would lose everything they did for the last several years.

Japan deserved to have its chit pushed in for all its evil in the Asian region and im personally thankful to America, but Japan didnt start the war with America, America butted in where it wasnt welcome. America has been a bully since it became a power. Even today in Vietnam, middle east, Israel etc.
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Originally Posted By trufflepigg⏩
guess i'm not surprised by all the ameri bros standing up for a horrific killing of innocent lives 75 years ago by a bunch of sick phucks
you guys are truly brainwashed it's amazing, there is never justification for this kind of massacre
Winning WW2 is a pretty damn good justification.

If Japan didn't wank nukes dropped on them, then they shouldn't have tried to take over the eastern world and slaughter9 millionChinese civilians.
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Originally Posted By Doc_Detroit⏩
Yeah you're right, but not a lot of soldiers died in the nukes man. More than 250,000 civilians died.
Should have nuked a less populated city if they wanted to showcase the nukes or a navy base.
This whole concept of "let's shelter civilians" was born after WW2. For all of human history, the whole point of war was to slaughter, rape and enslave civilians. One group would wage war on another group for the sole purpose of killing all of the boys and men and then raping all of the girls and women.
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It hastened the end of the war, likely saved Japanese lives and absolutely definitely saved American lives. So yeah, fukked up no doubt but given the previous plan involved burning every Japanese city to the ground with firebombs and high explosives and then fighting for every inch of land against dug-in, fanatical opposition - it made a lot of sense to go nuclear. Go read a history of the Pacific war and scale up some of those battles to Home Islands size, you can see why no-one was keen to put another 250K+ US soldiers in the morgue.

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Originally Posted By 5htp⏩
Lots of people who were beaten, abused and raped as children learned how to triumph over adversity and became successful in life. So let's abuse the chit out of our kids to build their character ayyy lmao.

There's honestly no bigger cope on this earth than how people try to rationalise these nukes. If one innocent American is killed by ISIS there's people literally crying on TV and demanding revenge. But 200,000 innocent Japanese murdered and decades of birth defects and radiation poisoning and it's all, "well their nation became economically successful afterwards so maybe these nukes were just the leg-up they needed!"
its fukin war dumbass. the japanese suprise attacked us those *******s can burn in hell.....they did. they werent going to surrender anyway

lol at location and talking chit about the US during ww2
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Originally Posted By trufflepigg⏩
guess i'm not surprised by all the ameri bros standing up for a horrific killing of innocent lives 75 years ago by a bunch of sick phucks
you guys are truly brainwashed it's amazing, there is never justification for this kind of massacre
If you think that the horrific killing of thousands of innocent lives 75 years ago should have been substituted for the horrific killing ofmillionsof innocent lives 75 years ago then you are aan absolute monster

cannot even comprehend this logic
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Originally Posted By ineedadrink⏩
This. Japanese war criminals were never tried as war criminals. And it was an American decision. And America was quite complicit in ignoring that many atrocities that the Japanese government/military committed. So yes, let's keep going on about how the Japanese were punished by the nukes when in reality the worst Japanese war criminals were actually pardoned.
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Originally Posted By Steve707⏩
Teaching kids to respect firearms and how to use them safely is the same as teaching them to hate?
I guess I have to spell it out for you because your reading comprehension is so bad. I was replying to a post regarding "training children to take up arms for their emperor". It was meant as a humorous comparison to the impending Trump American Empire. You defend to the death your firearms training for children, but defend the mass killing of Japanese children with WMD because they were learning to respect and use spears safely? Just lol at still not getting the point.

Meanwhile ITT I got negged and "sore loser"/nazi by hurr durr 'merricans with poor reading and comprehension skills. Not surprising given your acceptance of the most basic textbook explanations of why the USA dropped the bombs. USA, the first country to manufacture nuclear weapons, and the only country to have used them in combat.

For the record I didn't loose chit in WWII. My countrymen, on the other hand, were the only forces to capture all objectives on D-Day.
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it was a necessary evil for the greater good. the japanese were ****ed up beyond comprehension. they definitely deserved to be blown to bits after the rape of nanking.
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Originally Posted By ineedadrink⏩
And? I'm Korean. I have no love for the Japanese and I'm quite aware of the horrible things the they did. And unlike the Germans, many in Japan still don't acknowledge any of it. Many politicians and historians over there make an active effort to rewrite history in order to deny their atrocities and justify their aggression by saying that they did it for the good of Asia in order to protect it from Western imperialism. Yes, they're really doing that.

But let's not say that it was morally justified to target a civilian city filled with the elderly, women, and children. Was it a smart military/political move? Perhaps. But it wasn't morally justified by any means. The kids certainly didn't deserve it.

What's ironic about everyone saying that the Japanese deserved it is that they're forgetting that...


This. Japanese war criminals were never tried as war criminals. And it was an American decision. And America was quite complicit in ignoring that many atrocities that the Japanese government/military committed. So yes, let's keep going on about how the Japanese were punished by the nukes when in reality the worst Japanese war criminals were actually pardoned.
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I kind of feel like this is a relevant time to post this video...it is long, but honestly worth the watch especially on memorial day. This video kind of spans across lines..we're US citizens here mostly and use today to commemorate, but it's worth noting all those who died because their country asked them.



It is a surprising quick 18minutes, and should leave a bigger lasting impact due to the visual representation of the death count.
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Originally Posted By 5htp⏩
My point is the pathetic cope rationalisation that you *******s engage in ffs. It's like you're literally incapable of ever admitting that America did any evil during history. Just because other countries committed mass murder as well doesn't make your mass murder any better.
You (britain) begged america to do something to bail your pussy asses out. London was being turned out hourly, and once big dick america saved you, you whine about it 70 yrs later?
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Originally Posted By aal04⏩
They did evil things. But an atomic bomb wasnt about cleansing. It was purely symbolic.

1. Japan was completely and utterly incapacitated. the war was over.
2. Japan attempted surrender negotiations several days beforehand and America didnt even listen to one word of it, they wanted non-negotiable surrender. Several countries tried to come in to help with negotiations. Including Russia
3. More than twice as many people died from conventional fire bombing. the nukes didnt kill that much comparatively.
4. Bomb was purely symbolic at Russia, who had come for a land grab.
5. Surrendering without negotiations is a death sentence. Japan did evil things to their prisoners and expected the same in return unless their was any reason to surrender.

I think the Nuke was the best outcome, but im not judging people who lived in a total war state
#2...Japan attempts surrender? Oh please forgive us for not trusting them after those "Peace Medals" they gave us before the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

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