Literally have no goal physique. I have good genetics body and face wise so as long as I'm 10% bf with the usual veins in my abs and my last 2 abs showing I'm honestly happy. Fuk going beyond that because it's pointless.

What could possibly be unachievable in this picture?

For those arguing that the "smaller" physiques are achievable natty, you guys need to realize that being enhanced is not just about size. Plenty of guys on tech aren't that big and not even at the natty limit in terms of size (especially since different kinds of gear do different things).

What tech can give you though is that3D effect while lean. It's what makes these smaller guys look so impressive. That's simply something you can't get as a natty. As a natty, you'll look much flatter while being that lean, especially without a strong pump and adobe skills.

As for the pics when these guys look less impressive, that's because they're not always on chit. They come off to try to get their system back to normal. Even some of the pros do that.

Luckily for me my only goal was to get buff, so I didn't get crushed by unrealistic expectations.

Hell, I was skinny as hell growing up. Don't think I could have pictured where I am now.

exactly right most people don't even seem to understand this.

I've known for a long time that anything beyond say anearlySteve Reeves physique wouldn't be realistic. I was and I guess still am to a point still inspired by non-natty physiques though. Most importantly, I know that all I can do is work with what I have and make little improvements here and there.

Overall I still look mostly the same (give or take bulks and cuts) that I have looked for the last 20 years. For me that is kind of the goal at this point (still look how I did 20 years ago). Which is probably not impressive to many people who compare themselves to unnatural-unrealistic physiques. However, in real life it is impressive to have your same 23 year old body when you're really 43 (assuming you even lifted at 23).

And this is the problem right here. Ulisses Jr. competes at natural shows. That tells you everything you need to know.

And once again, it's not about the mass itself. No, he's not that big. It's the very fact that he's super lean and looks great that you can tell that he's not natty. A natty may be able to get that kind of mass, but he will not be able to have that kind of mass while that lean. As a natty, you WILL lose fullness and mass as you approach that level of leanness. Even a lot of the really small guys get on tech not to put on size, but in order to keep their fullness and to look hard on stage. Since it's that very fullness/hardness/3D effect that makes them look so good in the first place, no, you cannot say that it's achievable natty by anyone who is serious. Is there a small chance that he's natty? Maybe. But what is unlikely is something that should be outside consideration in this discussion since we're talking about what is achievable by most of us.

I'm currently 6'1 200 lbs at around 9% bf. I might drop down to 195 lbs at 7-8ish and my previous contest weight was 190 lbs at probably 6%-ish. I still think I can put on a handful of lbs and maybe max out at 200 lbs 7-8%ish. That's about it. I KNOW 220 lbs peeled is out of reach for me, and I'm ok with that.

LMAO, you don't think the teched guys are pumped up and adobe'ed up for photoshoots? LMAO It's the same natty or non-natty. Some days you look better, carb up for a couple of days and you look fuller, get a pump after chest or arm day and boom, you look juicy, without pump you won't look as good. You think the Teched guys look their best 24/7? That's normal for anyone even if you're teching. And I'be been mainaining 9-10% BF natty for the past 4 months. I'm giong to see if I can maintain the whole year and to be honest, it's VERY VERY easy for me if I just track macros and work out semi-regularly. I might even drop down lower and see if I can maintain 8% year round like Kane Sumabat AKA Timberwolf does although I suspect I will have to drop into the 190-195 lbs range for that.

Red. No avi. Spewing misinformation. Sounds about right.

Let's see where you've derived this 25 FFMI hard limit from because to me, it sounds like you're simply regurgitating information you've simply come across from other broscientists on this forum.

There's some very simple points in this article even you could probably understand, allow me to highlight a few:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/natu...dybuilding.htmLooking at top natural athletes from 55-75 years ago before the science of supplementation, exercise science, and other advancements came into play, their AVERAGE FFMI was 25.4 meaning there were more than enough individuals in the 26+ range.

Now lifting is probably 10x more prevalent with a whole lot more widespread quality information and you're telling me that there won't ever be serious natural athletes/bodybuilders who are genetically gifted enough to break through this BS 25 FFMI limit?

instagram filters, angles, photoshop etc. is way worse than cacao

considering mike ohearn is natty not mad at all brah.

u mad?

Honestly brah I think people accuse you of tech because of your avi

I'm sure you look a lot better in your avi then IRL. I saw a recent pic you posted and nothing bout it screamed tech, just big and bulky. Your avi looks 100% teched the fk out tho lol.

dat dere pump and downlighting m8.

how is nobody quoting this?

This physique is unreal. Just change his insertions/muscle shapes (which is 100% down to genetics) and you would all be drooling over him, and claiming he's a tech user even. are you guys fukking nuts? this guy has achieved a level probably 99% of the misc wont achieve naturally.i can't believe people think this isn't achievable natty. he's like, what, 6'1 195lbs at 8%? he looks like a douche so maybe HE didn't achieve it naturally. however, HIS PHYSIQUE is achievable naturally. he's not big. just cut. cut down, carb up, get a pump, and boom you look like him.

edit: case in point, the guy i quoted first has a more impressive physique, save for insertions. so there you go.

Always have high goals. Even if you don't achieve it, you still will have an impressive physique.

Most dudes you see are edited to hell and aren't even impressive in person

just lol at limits. u guys realize coleman never did juice until 1994? (probably 29-30 ffmi) u realize im close to ifbb status and i dont even touch gear? Its either genetics or genetics and hard work but im convinced you guys just smoke pot and watch movies all day and that just makes u a fking pussy with low t levels.