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OP you lost all credibility when you started calling everyone "retards" and cussing. Try a different approach to start a debate rather than, "I'm gonna cuss at everybody who disagrees with me"
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Originally Posted By Schism45⏩
soooo.....This straw man argument again. I have the power to vote in accordance of my political beliefs and to vote to dismantle agencies such as the above according to my ideals, when such votes are possible. This is my agent of change for society. However, I live in a society governed in a different way than my ideals, and just like I won't avoid paying taxes because I don't support where they are going, I also won't go out of my way to avoid using government funded services because I don't support them.
No one claimed the elites would be forced to pass on the cost. My, but you are thick.
No one claimed the elites would be forced to pass on the cost. My, but you are thick.
you acknowledge that socialism is an important part of everyones life?
or are you going to try to talk your way out of it?
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05-11-2016, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted By F23⏩
Those workers are already losing their jobs to automation. Will raising the minimum wage speed the process? Yes of course - but at the end of the day it's going to happen anyways. It's happening in every industry.Here's the problem. Nobody's going to buy a Big Mac for $7. Look into the concept of price elasticity... people are very substitute for other food (cook at home) if the price rises. Fast food restaurants are going to raise prices a little (like $0.50) and automate as much as the production process as possible, meaning that a lot of the workers are going to lose their jobs.
And let's be real here.. If we're using mcdonalds as an example, they've been increasing their price and lowering their food portions for a very long time and it has nothing to do the wages of their employees andeverythingto do with making more money. That is 100% greed, not making business decisions to keep the franchise alive.
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Originally Posted By j0rdie⏩
boo who your feelings hurt?OP you lost all credibility when you started calling everyone "retards" and cussing. Try a different approach to start a debate rather than, "I'm gonna cuss at everybody who disagrees with me"
Anyone who thinks its ok to keep lowering real income through inflation is an absolute moron. sorry
05-11-2016, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
I have to agree with and praise the status quo now?soooo.....
you acknowledge that socialism is an important part of everyones life?
or are you going to try to talk your way out of it?
you acknowledge that socialism is an important part of everyones life?
or are you going to try to talk your way out of it?
If I live in modern society, I'm not allowed to state that an alternative approach to society would be better than what we have?
Pls go.
05-11-2016, 09:02 PM
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Trump wants to raise minimum wage.
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05-11-2016, 09:02 PM
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Walmart and the movie theater should not be a career. It is more for highschool kids and people in college.
Learn a trade like a real man and you wont have to work for minimum wage.
Learn a trade like a real man and you wont have to work for minimum wage.
To be continued....
05-11-2016, 09:05 PM
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Leave it and let states decide for themselves. Some states might benefit but others will suffer. This shouldn't be a yes or no it should be a compromise lol
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Originally Posted By PriestAndrettii⏩
do you understand the concept of inflation?Walmart and the movie theater should not be a career. It is more for highschool kids and people in college.
Learn a trade like a real man and you wont have to work for minimum wage.
Learn a trade like a real man and you wont have to work for minimum wage.
the same jobs are paying way less effectively, even though its the exact same work. that doesnt make any sense
05-11-2016, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted By Armord⏩
So you'll at least that this is putting a brick on the accelerator when it comes to automation?Those workers are already losing their jobs to automation. Will raising the minimum wage speed the process? Yes of course - but at the end of the day it's going to happen anyways. It's happening in every industry.
And let's be real here.. If we're using mcdonalds as an example, they've been increasing their price and lowering their food portions for a very long time and it has nothing to do the wages of their employees andeverythingto do with making more money. That is 100% greed, not making business decisions to keep the franchise alive.
And let's be real here.. If we're using mcdonalds as an example, they've been increasing their price and lowering their food portions for a very long time and it has nothing to do the wages of their employees andeverythingto do with making more money. That is 100% greed, not making business decisions to keep the franchise alive.
Companies exist for profit. They aren't charities or welfare employment programs. In a profit-driven company, resources (i.e. costs) are allocated according to what revenue they bring the company (if you do out the microeconomics, wage is going to be equal to marginal revenue, if I remember correctly). If a worker's wage is suddenly increased but the worker doesn't increase their benefit to the company to justify that wage increase, the worker is going to be laid off. This is especially true in the fast food industry where the margins are super thin - like 5% or less - and the #1 cost is labor.
Many of these low-skilled workers are going to go from minimum wage jobs to having no job and living off welfare completely.
I would really really like for there to be more equal pay in our society, and for everyone to have more money in general. Minimum wage sounds good, but it is going to end up just making things worse.
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Originally Posted By Schism45⏩
lol, you can state whatever you want.I have to agree with and praise the status quo now?
If I live in modern society, I'm not allowed to state that an alternative approach to society would be better than what we have?
Pls go.
If I live in modern society, I'm not allowed to state that an alternative approach to society would be better than what we have?
Pls go.
but if you state it you need to substantiate and justify it. which is what you can not do.
which is why are not doing it.
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05-11-2016, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted By Schism45⏩
I'd be happy to.Businesses will raise prices to account for inflation, as they always do, and this would be no different.
Therefore the economic impact is coming directly at the cost of the middle class, and the middle class only, who cannot defend against inflation the way that the business owners can.
Please explain how this benefits the middle class.
Therefore the economic impact is coming directly at the cost of the middle class, and the middle class only, who cannot defend against inflation the way that the business owners can.
Please explain how this benefits the middle class.
1) the funding for rises in minimum wage comes directly from the ultra rich, not the middle class. The middle class don't fund this, there's no loss on their side for funding their wages. It comes out of companies pockets.
2) If you give additional funds to the people who spend more than they make, they will... surprise, spend it. Putting money back into the hands of the businesses, spending stimulates the economy.
3) all the businesses that basically have additional revenue from the spike in spending can afford to pay employees more, and not all businesses just hire minimum wage employees, they higher middle class employees.
You're basically pumping some money from savings accounts back into the economy. I believe this will stimulate the middle class. The poor will just continue to spend it all away.
There's also a hidden benefit of some of the poor who are actually driven and somewhat intelligent (usually younger) having the new opportunity of being able to afford things like college, or afford not to work themselves out of energy and apply themselves, bringing a select small group out of poverty, into middle class and being contributors.
I think the counter arguments to raising the minimum wage are much weaker. Inflation is over exagurated due to paying a few, small % of the "spending poor" class a few dollars more per hour. Again, revenue increases because they are the spenders. They are a small percent of the population. There wouldn't be any significant inflation like the suggestion.
Trust me, I'm anti-left and anti PC and I'm a very business minded person, I still truly think it should be raised.
05-11-2016, 09:10 PM
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IF you're worth more than min wage, you make more than min wage. I'm sorry Delbert the 8th grade drop out and Shaneequa and her 10 kids are stuck at min wage, I really am.
Also lol at thinking only the ultra rich are employers. It would break the back of almost all small businesses and many medium ones. Not only do wages go up but payroll taxes would sky rocket. Unemployment would become rampant, way worse than it is now.
Also lol at thinking only the ultra rich are employers. It would break the back of almost all small businesses and many medium ones. Not only do wages go up but payroll taxes would sky rocket. Unemployment would become rampant, way worse than it is now.
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05-11-2016, 09:11 PM
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Some Americans get paid below minimum wage
Working 60 hours to make 400 bucks
But when they consider the alternative of a part time/minimum wage job, they take the full time/below minimum job because the weekly total is higher
Working 60 hours to make 400 bucks
But when they consider the alternative of a part time/minimum wage job, they take the full time/below minimum job because the weekly total is higher
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05-11-2016, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted By F23⏩
You're not wrong. It really is a big game of monopoly.So you'll at least that this is putting a brick on the accelerator when it comes to automation?
Companies exist for profit. They aren't charities or welfare employment programs. In a profit-driven company, resources (i.e. costs) are allocated according to what revenue they bring the company (if you do out the microeconomics, wage is going to be equal to marginal revenue, if I remember correctly). If a worker's wage is suddenly increased but the worker doesn't increase their benefit to the company to justify that wage increase, the worker is going to be laid off. This is especially true in the fast food industry where the margins are super thin - like 5% or less - and the #1 cost is labor.
Many of these low-skilled workers are going to go from minimum wage jobs to having no job and living off welfare completely.
I would really really like for there to be more equal pay in our society, and for everyone to have more money in general. Minimum wage sounds good, but it is going to end up just making things worse.
Companies exist for profit. They aren't charities or welfare employment programs. In a profit-driven company, resources (i.e. costs) are allocated according to what revenue they bring the company (if you do out the microeconomics, wage is going to be equal to marginal revenue, if I remember correctly). If a worker's wage is suddenly increased but the worker doesn't increase their benefit to the company to justify that wage increase, the worker is going to be laid off. This is especially true in the fast food industry where the margins are super thin - like 5% or less - and the #1 cost is labor.
Many of these low-skilled workers are going to go from minimum wage jobs to having no job and living off welfare completely.
I would really really like for there to be more equal pay in our society, and for everyone to have more money in general. Minimum wage sounds good, but it is going to end up just making things worse.
Unfortunately, in the end, one player has all the money and all the opportunity to generate money while the others are fuked.
So either we interject and ensure the rest of the players can stay in the game or we just let it run it's course and become a guaranteed income/welfare country.
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05-11-2016, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
You are all over the map. This started because your counterpoint to my statement on why socialism is bad was "lol but you live in a socialist society and use government services".lol, you can state whatever you want.
but if you state it you need to substantiate and justify it. which is what you can not do.
which is why are not doing it.
but if you state it you need to substantiate and justify it. which is what you can not do.
which is why are not doing it.
That's not a valid argument in any way, shape or form.
Originally Posted By Hadtodoit⏩
Companies would simply raise prices, billionaires don't pay increases in minimum wage out of their own pockets. Increased costs are passed on the consumer. These increased costs are not born by those making minimum wage, because their earning power increased, nor by the companies themselves, who simply raise prices to account for the extra expenses.I'd be happy to.
1) the funding for rises in minimum wage comes directly from the ultra rich, not the middle class. The middle class don't fund this, there's no loss on their side for funding their wages. It comes out of companies pockets.
2) If you give additional funds to the people who spend more than they make, they will... surprise, spend it. Putting money back into the hands of the businesses, spending stimulates the economy.
3) all the businesses that basically have additional revenue from the spike in spending can afford to pay employees more, and not all businesses just hire minimum wage employees, they higher middle class employees.
You're basically pumping some money from savings accounts back into the economy. I believe this will stimulate the middle class. The poor will just continue to spend it all away.
There's also a hidden benefit of some of the poor who are actually driven and somewhat intelligent (usually younger) having the new opportunity of being able to afford things like college, or afford not to work themselves out of energy and apply themselves, bringing a select small group out of poverty, into middle class and being contributors.
I think the counter arguments to raising the minimum wage are much weaker. Inflation is over exagurated due to paying a few, small % of the "spending poor" class a few dollars more per hour. Again, revenue increases because they are the spenders. They are a small percent of the population. There wouldn't be any significant inflation like the suggestion.
Trust me, I'm anti-left and anti PC and I'm a very business minded person, I still truly think it should be raised.
1) the funding for rises in minimum wage comes directly from the ultra rich, not the middle class. The middle class don't fund this, there's no loss on their side for funding their wages. It comes out of companies pockets.
2) If you give additional funds to the people who spend more than they make, they will... surprise, spend it. Putting money back into the hands of the businesses, spending stimulates the economy.
3) all the businesses that basically have additional revenue from the spike in spending can afford to pay employees more, and not all businesses just hire minimum wage employees, they higher middle class employees.
You're basically pumping some money from savings accounts back into the economy. I believe this will stimulate the middle class. The poor will just continue to spend it all away.
There's also a hidden benefit of some of the poor who are actually driven and somewhat intelligent (usually younger) having the new opportunity of being able to afford things like college, or afford not to work themselves out of energy and apply themselves, bringing a select small group out of poverty, into middle class and being contributors.
I think the counter arguments to raising the minimum wage are much weaker. Inflation is over exagurated due to paying a few, small % of the "spending poor" class a few dollars more per hour. Again, revenue increases because they are the spenders. They are a small percent of the population. There wouldn't be any significant inflation like the suggestion.
Trust me, I'm anti-left and anti PC and I'm a very business minded person, I still truly think it should be raised.
The costs are entirely born by the middle class who can't defend themselves against actions like this.
05-11-2016, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted By Schism45⏩
Businesses will raise prices to account for inflation, as they always do, and this would be no different.
Therefore the economic impact is coming directly at the cost of the middle class, and the middle class only, who cannot defend against inflation the way that the business owners can.
Please explain how this benefits the middle class.
Therefore the economic impact is coming directly at the cost of the middle class, and the middle class only, who cannot defend against inflation the way that the business owners can.
Please explain how this benefits the middle class.
Originally Posted By Schism45⏩
Eh, you're showing a bit of ignorance now and shallow thinking.You are all over the map. This started because your counterpoint to my statement on why socialism is bad was "lol but you live in a socialist society and use government services".
That's not a valid argument in any way, shape or form.
Companies would simply raise prices, billionaires don't pay increases in minimum wage out of their own pockets. Increased costs are passed on the consumer.
That's not a valid argument in any way, shape or form.
Companies would simply raise prices, billionaires don't pay increases in minimum wage out of their own pockets. Increased costs are passed on the consumer.
CEO's don't just raise prices when they look at paying a few minimum wage people extra. They do market research and ALWAYS charge as much as they possibly can. The costs are somewhat offset by new revenue from the spenders.
This whole argument breaks down to people worried inflation would be massive.
It wouldn't. How do we know this? Rewind history, we've already done it. We've had minimum wage significantly higher, was everyone unemployed? No.
Literally, it's been done. It's like wondering what happens when you light gasoline on fire. It ignites, we've done it. It's been done many times throughout history. You're exaggerating the level of inflation. I'd be scared and against it also if I thought oh ****, CEO's just pass on costs and can't hire people oh no...
but that's a shallow thought. It doesn't dig deeper. Media has passed this on as fear mongering. Minimum wage should be higher.
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Originally Posted By Hadtodoit⏩
good postEh, you're showing a bit of ignorance now and shallow thinking.
CEO's don't just raise prices when they look at paying a few minimum wage people extra. They do market research and ALWAYS charge as much as they possibly can. The costs are somewhat offset by new revenue from the spenders.
This whole argument breaks down to people worried inflation would be massive.
It wouldn't. How do we know this? Rewind history, we've already done it. We've had minimum wage significantly higher, was everyone unemployed? No.
Literally, it's been done. It's like wondering what happens when you light gasoline on fire. It ignites, we've done it. It's been done many times throughout history. You're exaggerating the level of inflation. I'd be scared and against it also if I thought oh ****, CEO's just pass on costs and can't hire people oh no...
but that's a shallow thought. It doesn't dig deeper. Media has passed this on as fear mongering. Minimum wage should be higher.
CEO's don't just raise prices when they look at paying a few minimum wage people extra. They do market research and ALWAYS charge as much as they possibly can. The costs are somewhat offset by new revenue from the spenders.
This whole argument breaks down to people worried inflation would be massive.
It wouldn't. How do we know this? Rewind history, we've already done it. We've had minimum wage significantly higher, was everyone unemployed? No.
Literally, it's been done. It's like wondering what happens when you light gasoline on fire. It ignites, we've done it. It's been done many times throughout history. You're exaggerating the level of inflation. I'd be scared and against it also if I thought oh ****, CEO's just pass on costs and can't hire people oh no...
but that's a shallow thought. It doesn't dig deeper. Media has passed this on as fear mongering. Minimum wage should be higher.
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Originally Posted By Hadtodoit⏩
it should be raised but it should be proportional to the average salary in a local economy. It's a tricky thing to get right. I haven't worked for min wage since I got out of high school though, so I have to wonder, who's REALLY lobbying for this? Very few jobs pay that low. And if they do pay that low, it's because you can train any tard to do them in about 1-2 hours or less.I'd be happy to.
1) the funding for rises in minimum wage comes directly from the ultra rich, not the middle class. The middle class don't fund this, there's no loss on their side for funding their wages. It comes out of companies pockets.
2) If you give additional funds to the people who spend more than they make, they will... surprise, spend it. Putting money back into the hands of the businesses, spending stimulates the economy.
3) all the businesses that basically have additional revenue from the spike in spending can afford to pay employees more, and not all businesses just hire minimum wage employees, they higher middle class employees.
You're basically pumping some money from savings accounts back into the economy. I believe this will stimulate the middle class. The poor will just continue to spend it all away.
There's also a hidden benefit of some of the poor who are actually driven and somewhat intelligent (usually younger) having the new opportunity of being able to afford things like college, or afford not to work themselves out of energy and apply themselves, bringing a select small group out of poverty, into middle class and being contributors.
I think the counter arguments to raising the minimum wage are much weaker. Inflation is over exagurated due to paying a few, small % of the "spending poor" class a few dollars more per hour. Again, revenue increases because they are the spenders. They are a small percent of the population. There wouldn't be any significant inflation like the suggestion.
Trust me, I'm anti-left and anti PC and I'm a very business minded person, I still truly think it should be raised.
1) the funding for rises in minimum wage comes directly from the ultra rich, not the middle class. The middle class don't fund this, there's no loss on their side for funding their wages. It comes out of companies pockets.
2) If you give additional funds to the people who spend more than they make, they will... surprise, spend it. Putting money back into the hands of the businesses, spending stimulates the economy.
3) all the businesses that basically have additional revenue from the spike in spending can afford to pay employees more, and not all businesses just hire minimum wage employees, they higher middle class employees.
You're basically pumping some money from savings accounts back into the economy. I believe this will stimulate the middle class. The poor will just continue to spend it all away.
There's also a hidden benefit of some of the poor who are actually driven and somewhat intelligent (usually younger) having the new opportunity of being able to afford things like college, or afford not to work themselves out of energy and apply themselves, bringing a select small group out of poverty, into middle class and being contributors.
I think the counter arguments to raising the minimum wage are much weaker. Inflation is over exagurated due to paying a few, small % of the "spending poor" class a few dollars more per hour. Again, revenue increases because they are the spenders. They are a small percent of the population. There wouldn't be any significant inflation like the suggestion.
Trust me, I'm anti-left and anti PC and I'm a very business minded person, I still truly think it should be raised.
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Originally Posted By Armord⏩
I worded that wrong, I was making jack**** $500-$600 checks and struggling to get by. Which is why i started working 50-60 hours a week. Yeah, it sucked and burnt me out but I was very happy with those paychecks i was making. I had more money in my savings account than i've ever had. I'm lucky enough to work at a company that encourages you to work over time. Which is why i made that work out.Just want you to know that you did get some respect for actually putting in 50 hours a week to get what you got.
But please understand my stance on this. You said that you made jack sht, remember that.
If your employer had you work a regular 40 and just paid you a living wage of $14.59 (which would read exactly the same as the stub you posted) you would have been exactly as broke as you were without having to slave 50+ hours per week.
Andthatis the issue. You are forced to work ridiculous hours just to rent a 1 bedroom room, drive a shtty car and barely scrape by. Most employers are hugely against giving their employees over time which turns "scraping by" into "can't afford to eat".
Are you starting to see why this is important?
But please understand my stance on this. You said that you made jack sht, remember that.
If your employer had you work a regular 40 and just paid you a living wage of $14.59 (which would read exactly the same as the stub you posted) you would have been exactly as broke as you were without having to slave 50+ hours per week.
Andthatis the issue. You are forced to work ridiculous hours just to rent a 1 bedroom room, drive a shtty car and barely scrape by. Most employers are hugely against giving their employees over time which turns "scraping by" into "can't afford to eat".
Are you starting to see why this is important?
I didnt bitch and moan about my situation. I made the best of it and got awarded for it, After 4 months of damn near single handily carrying that department on my back, I was promoted to manager of that department and got a $7 raise. I was award for my work and it paid off.
Minimum wage was never suppose to be a livable wage. It has never been a problem until now, we have a bunch of lazy ass millennials who refuse to put in any effort to better themselves.
And i get both sides of the argument but its really as simple as busting your ass for a better life rather than working part time at McDonalds protesting about their situation.
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05-11-2016, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted By Hadtodoit⏩
It is very naive to assume that business owners are just going to eat the additional costs. Yes, minimum wage has increased in the past, and so has inflation. It hasn't left everyone unemployed and broke, but it has decreased the spending power of the middle class.Eh, you're showing a bit of ignorance now and shallow thinking.
CEO's don't just raise prices when they look at paying a few minimum wage people extra. They do market research and ALWAYS charge as much as they possibly can. The costs are somewhat offset by new revenue from the spenders.
This whole argument breaks down to people worried inflation would be massive.
It wouldn't. How do we know this? Rewind history, we've already done it. We've had minimum wage significantly higher, was everyone unemployed? No.
Literally, it's been done. It's like wondering what happens when you light gasoline on fire. It ignites, we've done it. It's been done many times throughout history. You're exaggerating the level of inflation. I'd be scared and against it also if I thought oh ****, CEO's just pass on costs and can't hire people oh no...
but that's a shallow thought. It doesn't dig deeper. Media has passed this on as fear mongering. Minimum wage should be higher.
CEO's don't just raise prices when they look at paying a few minimum wage people extra. They do market research and ALWAYS charge as much as they possibly can. The costs are somewhat offset by new revenue from the spenders.
This whole argument breaks down to people worried inflation would be massive.
It wouldn't. How do we know this? Rewind history, we've already done it. We've had minimum wage significantly higher, was everyone unemployed? No.
Literally, it's been done. It's like wondering what happens when you light gasoline on fire. It ignites, we've done it. It's been done many times throughout history. You're exaggerating the level of inflation. I'd be scared and against it also if I thought oh ****, CEO's just pass on costs and can't hire people oh no...
but that's a shallow thought. It doesn't dig deeper. Media has passed this on as fear mongering. Minimum wage should be higher.
There's a reason the middle class has been shrinking relative to the population since the 70's. Not just minimum wage, but the philosophy of thought accompanying those who think minimum wage should be increased.
05-11-2016, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted By Hadtodoit⏩
someone with a brain neatEh, you're showing a bit of ignorance now and shallow thinking.
CEO's don't just raise prices when they look at paying a few minimum wage people extra. They do market research and ALWAYS charge as much as they possibly can. The costs are somewhat offset by new revenue from the spenders.
This whole argument breaks down to people worried inflation would be massive.
It wouldn't. How do we know this? Rewind history, we've already done it. We've had minimum wage significantly higher, was everyone unemployed? No.
Literally, it's been done. It's like wondering what happens when you light gasoline on fire. It ignites, we've done it. It's been done many times throughout history. You're exaggerating the level of inflation. I'd be scared and against it also if I thought oh ****, CEO's just pass on costs and can't hire people oh no...
but that's a shallow thought. It doesn't dig deeper. Media has passed this on as fear mongering. Minimum wage should be higher.
CEO's don't just raise prices when they look at paying a few minimum wage people extra. They do market research and ALWAYS charge as much as they possibly can. The costs are somewhat offset by new revenue from the spenders.
This whole argument breaks down to people worried inflation would be massive.
It wouldn't. How do we know this? Rewind history, we've already done it. We've had minimum wage significantly higher, was everyone unemployed? No.
Literally, it's been done. It's like wondering what happens when you light gasoline on fire. It ignites, we've done it. It's been done many times throughout history. You're exaggerating the level of inflation. I'd be scared and against it also if I thought oh ****, CEO's just pass on costs and can't hire people oh no...
but that's a shallow thought. It doesn't dig deeper. Media has passed this on as fear mongering. Minimum wage should be higher.
05-11-2016, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted By YWOC⏩
people already buy **** that they cant afford. Just because they get more money doesn't make them more responsible. If you triple their pay, they will buy triple the ****.What exactly is your argument again? that prices will go up slightly if minimum wage is increased? guess what people might actually be able to buy shiit if they are making a wage they can live on.
thats life, son.
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05-11-2016, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted By jwlee7ucla⏩
You're...joking though, right?people already buy **** that they cant afford. Just because they get more money doesn't make them more responsible. If you triple their pay, they will buy triple the ****.
thats life, son.
thats life, son.
Or, maybe poor people would be able to actually buy things they need rather than the government subsidizing them via welfare programs like food stamps. Maybe instead of being in debt where they make no capital contributions to society, having a higher wage would allow them to.
The entire logic of lifting up the lower/middle class cannot be more unequivocal. Give one man $1 billion, or give 50,000 people $20,000 -- which do you think will stimulate the economy more? This is a no-brainer.
All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone.
05-11-2016, 09:50 PM
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does anyone have stats on the actual % of total full time jobs that pay min wage?
A million miles away - I don't.. feel.... anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXGZu4yxjW0
05-11-2016, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted By Schism45⏩
No you're incorrect about the timeline again.It is very naive to assume that business owners are just going to eat the additional costs. Yes, minimum wage has increased in the past, and so has inflation. It hasn't left everyone unemployed and broke, but it has decreased the spending power of the middle class.
There's a reason the middle class has been shrinking relative to the population since the 70's. Not just minimum wage, but the philosophy of thought accompanying those who think minimum wage should be increased.
There's a reason the middle class has been shrinking relative to the population since the 70's. Not just minimum wage, but the philosophy of thought accompanying those who think minimum wage should be increased.
Spending power of the average US citizen declines at an almost equal rate of minimum wage decreasing (when compared to living costs) you have it backwards.
I also never implied CEO's eat costs, I showed you how in reality the spenders put it right back in the CEOs hands. I mean just read my post twice if necessary.
Look man... I'm not calling you out. You are thinking smart, it's wise to be cautious of businesses and their ability to hire and employ, but I'm just here telling you it's more complex than that, and that in my humble opinion, you've been swayed too much by a few certain media sites saying inflation would be major.
It wouldn't be. It's just not accurate. Not only does history prove this but logic when followed through says the same thing. You're doing the right thing by questioning this but I'm just laying it out for you.
I'm against handouts, I don't like the thought of giving lazy and dumb people extra dollars just because.. but that's truly not what this is. There's a big portion that do deserve more.. but it's not even about that. It's about the economy for everyone, I've gone from broke to 250k income. I'm more on your side than you'd think but truly, this would benefit the entire country and the economy.
In my opinion, that is. I'd like to see people start to get over the weak counter arguments, exaggerated claims of inflation.
05-11-2016, 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted By seanb1979⏩
I'd be interested in this as well. I think this is a bigger problem than the wage itself. I know most fast food jobs/retail jobs work you part time and 30 hours a week is considered a good week. Only managers and long time employees get full time judging by the 2 retail jobs i had.does anyone have stats on the actual % of total full time jobs that pay min wage?
I like the tuna here.
05-11-2016, 09:57 PM
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I really do not understand why misc right wingers always say that a job working at macdonalds or whatever is supposed to be a kid's job. that you're not supposed to make a living off that kind of job. says WHO though? Americans were able to do this EASILY a few decades ago. and now it's impossible, but all you hardcore conservatives seem TOTALLY cool with it.
If you could support a family working minimum wage only a few decades ago, why can't that happen now? corporations used to pay people living wages and now a lot of them don't. why is that an acceptable outcome for a lot of miscers?
I'm not a liberal hippie either but the sheer amount of CEO/Corporation/Billionaire dick riding I see on the misc in these threads is just laughable. they're not gonna give you some of their money for defending them lol. because honestly that's kinda what it seems like from what I'm reading on here.
If you could support a family working minimum wage only a few decades ago, why can't that happen now? corporations used to pay people living wages and now a lot of them don't. why is that an acceptable outcome for a lot of miscers?
I'm not a liberal hippie either but the sheer amount of CEO/Corporation/Billionaire dick riding I see on the misc in these threads is just laughable. they're not gonna give you some of their money for defending them lol. because honestly that's kinda what it seems like from what I'm reading on here.
05-11-2016, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
I do understand inflation. Inflation has absolutely nothing to do with my point.do you understand the concept of inflation?
the same jobs are paying way less effectively, even though its the exact same work. that doesnt make any sense
the same jobs are paying way less effectively, even though its the exact same work. that doesnt make any sense
The entire argument for raising the minimum wage is that "you cant sustain a family of of $7.50 and hour blah blah." Well no chit!
McDonalds is supposed to be pocket change until you establish a career. If you have not done that by the time you are 30+ then sorry for you. Only the strong survive.
To be continued....
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Originally Posted By andrew28⏩
Times have changed.I really do not understand why misc right wingers always say that a job working at macdonalds or whatever is supposed to be a kid's job. that you're not supposed to make a living off that kind of job. says WHO though? Americans were able to do this EASILY a few decades ago. and now it's impossible, but all you hardcore conservatives seem TOTALLY cool with it.
If you could support a family working minimum wage only a few decades ago, why can't that happen now? corporations used to pay people living wages and now a lot of them don't. why is that an acceptable outcome for a lot of miscers?
I'm not a liberal hippie either but the sheer amount of CEO/Corporation/Billionaire dick riding I see on the misc in these threads is just laughable. they're not gonna give you some of their money for defending them lol. because honestly that's kinda what it seems like from what I'm reading on here.
If you could support a family working minimum wage only a few decades ago, why can't that happen now? corporations used to pay people living wages and now a lot of them don't. why is that an acceptable outcome for a lot of miscers?
I'm not a liberal hippie either but the sheer amount of CEO/Corporation/Billionaire dick riding I see on the misc in these threads is just laughable. they're not gonna give you some of their money for defending them lol. because honestly that's kinda what it seems like from what I'm reading on here.
You know the BIGGEST ****ing tool we have to our advantage?
The internet.
The internet. The tool that allows literally ANYONE to run some kind of business.
Example: I post an ad on craigslist every now and then for hauling work. Yesterday i got a call to remove a stack of junk from a house someone just bought. $200 bucks, 45 mins of work.
You couldnt do this even 15 years ago. Now its available at your finger tips on your cell phone.
We have this glorious tool that has the sky as the limit on the possibilities of making money. Yet people just use to post pics of themselves and the food they eat on fb and instagram.
Blows my mind.
I like the tuna here.
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