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post 1444998343 05-30-2016, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩
Like most vegans, you're clueless and have not even a basic understanding of human biology or physiology. It only makes vegans look that much dumber when they hold onto long debunked vegan mythology. From John McArdle, Ph.D., an anatomist, primatologist and a vegan:

"Humans are classic examples of omnivores in all relevant anatomical traits. There is no basis in anatomy or physiology for the assumption that humans are pre-adapted to the vegetarian diet. For that reason, the best arguments in support of a meat-free diet remain ecological, ethical, and health concerns."

Source, from a vegan site:

https://www.vrg.org/nutshell/omni.htm

Let's see your authoritative counter source beyond your opinion
Lmao John McArdle, Ph.D is a vegetarian not a vegan completely different, omnivores just like carnivores have dagger pointy teeth while our teeth are flat they're teeth are pointy so they can rip the flesh off other animals if we tried ripping the flesh off animals we wouldn't be able to because our teeth are flat because we are HERBIVORES
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Originally Posted By batspoof⏩
The problem is that this one point of contention that you're so fixated with, is inconsequential to the overarching debate and the merits of a vegan diet. The quote you posted is from John Ardle who is a vegan himself and by his own admission "the best arguments in support of a meat free diet are ecological, ethical and health concerns." We may be omnivorous by nature, but at the same time..eating animal products procured from modern animal agriculture isnothealthy for us, nor is it ethical or sustainable...which supersedes the argument that we should be eating animal products because we're omnivorous by nature.
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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩
And you'd be wrong. I could say the earth is flat, and I'd be wrong. I'm waiting for an authoritative source that claims humans are not omnivores. It does not exist because it's not correct, and there's zero debate within the scientific community on that fact, hence what I supplied from a vegan web site. If vegans want anyone outside their cult to take them seriously, they need to stop using totally debunked mythology.

Ignorance is not an excuse, nor does emotions and opinions alter reality.
Have you not been following this thread? I've been arguing against the idea that humans aren't omnivores.
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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩
And you'd be wrong. I could say the earth is flat, and I'd be wrong. I'm waiting for an authoritative source that claims humans are not omnivores. It does not exist because it's not correct, and there's zero debate within the scientific community on that fact, hence what I supplied from a vegan web site. If vegans want anyone outside their cult to take them seriously, they need to stop using totally debunked mythology.

Ignorance is not an excuse, nor does emotions and opinions alter reality.
You should chill on the meat and feed your brain some carbs what you're saying is dumb af
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Originally Posted By BuralBrah⏩
anyone can claim to be vegan and create some dumb site spreading false info. Is that an angelfire website?

who the fk is john yordle anyway? I listen great minds like dr. colin campbell, mcdougall, and eselstyn who have a track record of reversing their patients' debilitating illnesses, not some poverty nobody like John Yordle. Iam pretty sure if eating animal products gives us cancer, then technically that would classify us as herbivorous.
I rest my case. Not much smarter than the vegetables you eat. Good luck son.
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post 1444999143 05-30-2016, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩
And you'd be wrong. I could say the earth is flat, and I'd be wrong. I'm waiting for an authoritative source that claims humans are not omnivores. It does not exist because it's not correct, and there's zero debate within the scientific community on that fact, hence what I supplied from a vegan web site. If vegans want anyone outside their cult to take them seriously, they need to stop using totally debunked mythology.

Ignorance is not an excuse, nor does emotions and opinions alter reality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._Colin_Campbell

T. Colin Campbell (born, January 1, 1934) is an American biochemist who specializes in the effect of nutrition on long-term health.He is the Jacob Gould Schurman Professor Emeritus of Nutritional Biochemistry at Cornell University.[/b[

Campbell was one of the lead scientists of the China–Oxford–Cornell study on diet and disease, set up in 1983 by Cornell University, the University of Oxford, and the Chinese Academy of Preventive Medicine to explore the relationship between nutrition and cancer, heart, and metabolic diseases.The study was described by The New York Times as "the Grand Prix of epidemiology"[/b]

[b]Campbell joined MIT as a research associate, then worked for 10 years in the Virginia Tech Department of Biochemistry and Nutrition, before returning to Cornell in 1975 to join its Division of Nutritional Sciences. He has worked as a senior science adviser to the American Institute for Cancer Research,[4] and sits on the advisory board of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine.[5] He is known in particular for research, derived in part from the China Project, that appears to link the consumption of animal protein with the development of cancer and heart disease.[6] He argues that casein, a protein found in milk from mammals, is "the most significant carcinogen we consume".[7] [broken link] The implications are: that animal-derived proteins can "turn on" cancer cells carcinogenesis at the cellular level [8] and that plant foods (including plant derived proteins) can "turn off" cancer cells, also at the cellular level.[/b]

Dr. Eselstyn, plant based diet advocate, gets an endorsement from an ex president for reversing his heart disease problems

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/aPpcBMwLg2Q[/youtube]

pretty sure you can't get any more authoritative and official as that.
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haha RealAesthetic ran with his tail between his legs cause he knows his art is inferior. What a pussy.

who the fk creates logos/interfaces with photoshop anyway. You do that with illustrator. Already proof you're a fking noob at what you do.

Talk when you can paint a potrait as good as me scrub.
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Originally Posted By BuralBrah⏩
haha RealAesthetic ran with his tail between his legs cause he knows his art is inferior. What a pussy.

who the fk creates logos/interfaces with photoshop anyway. You do that with illustrator. Already proof you're a fking noob at what you do.

Talk when you can paint a potrait as good as me scrub.
I'm not entirely convinced you're not a troll.
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I've been a vegan since December 29th. I'm glad I finally decided to do it. Haven't lost any gains whatsoever and it hasn't been hard. You don't need to eat meat in order to build a great body or eat good food.
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Originally Posted By batspoof⏩
The problem is that this one point of contention that you're so fixated with, is inconsequential to the overarching debate and the merits of a vegan diet. The quote you posted is from John Ardle who is a vegan himself and by his own admission "the best arguments in support of a meat free diet are ecological, ethical and health concerns." We may be omnivorous by nature, but at the same time..eating animal products procured from modern animal agriculture isnothealthy for us, nor is it ethical or sustainable...which supersedes the argument that we should be eating animal products because we're omnivorous by nature.
Completely agree. Most still eat meat so they won't want to acknowledge that reality
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Originally Posted By phillyfreak7⏩
Completely agree. Most still eat meat so they won't want to acknowledge that reality
They seem to forget that majority of vegans ate meat dairy and eggs at one point
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Originally Posted By BuralBrah⏩
I have no desire to stop people from eating meat. Watching people get sick from their dumb diets make my dick hard.
And with this, you've confirmed everything that I said in this thread to be true. You vegans are emotionally driven, unstable, and mentally ill. You're another example of this fact.

You want people to get sick and die from eating meat so your cause is vindicated. You want to be right so badly that you're willing to wish harm onto other human beings so your life has some validity.
Nobody who truly cared about life in general would ever say something so evil. You're against factory farming but your dick gets hard when human beings get sick?

Yeah, buddy. You confirmed my theory. Seek help.
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Originally Posted By batspoof⏩
Your main problem is that you exhibit similar levels of ignorance and narrow-mindedness to the vegans that you're arguing with. I'm not asserting that homo sapiens are either herbivorous or omnivorous. The question that needs to be raised is not "are humans omnivorous", butto what degree are humans omnivorous? Well, unlike carnivorous mammals, we dont possess long, pointed canine teeth designed for ripping and tearing flesh, which means our mouths are not designed for ripping and tearing flesh (obviously). Which probably means that eating large terrestrial mammals such as cows, pigs, and sheep is not natural to us. Like I pointed out before, our closest relatives are chimps and bonobos. They are a primarily frugivorous primate whose diet is supplemented with eggs, fish, invertebrates and small vertebrates such as squirrels. This is what their canine teeth look like:



You see those long, pointed canine teeth? They're a biological adaptation to ripping and tearing flesh, which are different from those of a herbivore whose teeth are designed for grinding and chewing:



Our canine teeth are far smaller and less prominent than our common ancestor, the chimpanzee. What does that tell you?

I'm not denying that humans may be omnivores. However, we dont posses the biological adaptations for catching or eating large mammals, nor consuming large quantities of flesh. But that doesn't mean that eggs, insects and other invertebrates, fish and small animals didn't make up part of our diet. Eggs dont fight back, and you can get them by finding a nest and picking them up. Which means it would've been feasible for us to eat them.
I'll take using tools and animals for hunting for 200, Alex. You realize that humans existed for a long time before we had commercial food right?
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Originally Posted By UACdarknova⏩
And with this, you've confirmed everything that I said in this thread to be true. You vegans are emotionally driven, unstable, and mentally ill. You're another example of this fact.
I'm sure you're happy when a person who kills, molest people gets karma, so why are you surprised when the same happens to people who kill animals?
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Originally Posted By Smallfukbrah⏩
I'm sure you're happy when a person who kills, molest people gets karma, so why are you surprised when the same happens to people who kill animals?
First of all, karma doesn't exist. The universe doesn't know or care about you.

Second of all, as I said many times I'm not in favour of animal cruelty. But that doesn't mean I wish death upon human beings who consume meat.
See the way I think and speak right now is without emotion, calm, collected.

What your vegan buddy up there did was reveal his true colours - he places animal life above human life. He wants to see people suffer because they've consumed animals. He thinks it's some type of cosmic justice. He is mentally ill.
When vegans exhibit these traits they are exposed for and dismissed as the mentally ill people that they are.
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Originally Posted By UACdarknova⏩
First of all, karma doesn't exist. The universe doesn't know or care about you.

Second of all, as I said many times I'm not in favour of animal cruelty. But that doesn't mean I wish death upon human beings who consume meat.
See the way I think and speak right now is without emotion, calm, collected.

What your vegan buddy up there did was reveal his true colours - he places animal life above human life. He wants to see people suffer because they've consumed animals. He thinks it's some type of cosmic justice. He is mentally ill.
When vegans exhibit these traits they are exposed for and dismissed as the mentally ill people that they are.
Vegans don't hate meat eaters they hate meat eaters who make jokes about it and make non-logical excuses instead of being honest, not everyone is aware of how their meat is prepared so vegans are understanding of that
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Originally Posted By BuralBrah⏩
haha RealAesthetic ran with his tail between his legs cause he knows his art is inferior. What a pussy.

who the fk creates logos/interfaces with photoshop anyway. You do that with illustrator. Already proof you're a fking noob at what you do.

Talk when you can paint a potrait as good as me scrub.
i don't need to prove chit lmao, portraits are for rookie scrubs and when did I even mention logos you idiot ?
and interfaces are designed in photoshop, because interfaces are pixel not vector -- logos are vector, but I didn't mention logos did i.

you are so mad that i'm calling you out on being chit at the only thing you think you're good at.

sorry anyone that doesn't design doesn't realize how entirely easy what you do is -- and sorry a professional had to be the one to disappoint you, good luck with your fivr goals.. lmfao
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Originally Posted By RealAesthetic⏩
i don't need to prove chit lmao, portraits are for rookie scrubs and when did I even mention logos you idiot ?
and interfaces are designed in photoshop, because interfaces are pixel not vector -- logos are vector, but I didn't mention logos did i.

you are so mad that i'm calling you out on being chit at the only thing you think you're good at.

sorry anyone that doesn't design doesn't realize how entirely easy what you do is -- and sorry a professional had to be the one to disappoint you, good luck with your fivr goals.. lmfao
LOL!! As I expected. Too much of a pussy beta, already backing out from my art duel challenge. Like I said, your words mean nothing until you can provide an art piece as high quality as mine. Until then, you're just an odesk indian peasant in my eyes. huehue

pathetic beta begs to be drawn, gets chit on, now butthurt and calls me bad. lol . So transparent it's cute. Keep eating your corpse flesh kiddo

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Originally Posted By Krunk
This thread is the perfect example of why I dislike most vegans.. they're fuking annoying and push their agenda 24/7. If you cared as much about animals as you do yourself, you'd have enough respect to not disrespect and annoy others who don't have the same views.
So just ignore the fact that there are innocent animals being killed because you like the taste of meat wow that's really selfish of you and vegans are annoying, if we're annoying for saving animals what does that make somebody who kills them?
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Originally Posted By Smallfukbrah⏩
So just ignore the fact that there are innocent animals being killed because you like the taste of meat wow that's really selfish of you and vegans are annoying, if we're annoying for saving animals what does that make somebody who kills them?
How do you know all those flowers you eat don't have feelings?
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Originally Posted By Steve707⏩
How do you know all those flowers you eat don't have feelings?
Vegans can eat more than flowers. If that's not the case, then I'm ****ed.
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How do you know all those flowers you eat don't have feelings?
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Originally Posted By meremortal⏩
No we're not... we have enzymes to digest meat, our intestines aren't as long as herbivores, and we can't digest cellulose.

The definition of omnivore to help you out... "Omnivore /ˈɒmnivɔər/ is a consumption classification for animals that have the capability to obtain energy and nutrients from materials originating from plant and animal origin." Surely you aren't arguing that we can't obtain energy and nutrients from meat?

Also, OP says all plants have complete proteins which is false. He also says that protein quality is better in plants than animal products which is wrong too.
Yes I know what omnivorous means.

Why does everyone assume veganism is all about eating grass and veggies? I am no biologist but i'm pretty sur cellulose mostly comes from grass/leaves

No vegan ever preaches you to go out start chewing on grass. The ideal diet for optimal health for human beings is a fruitarian/high carb diet although I don't follow that 100%. I only follow the advice of nutrition experts like Campbell, mcdougal and eselstyn, not some charlatan like Dr. Atkins, keteo/paleo nonsense.

Like I said humans can survive off vodka and skittles for years, doesnt mean it's the right, and healthy natural choice. Do whatever floats you boat though. If ingesting corpse flesh in rigor mortis is your thing go for it. Just don't fool yourself into thinking your diet is manlier than a vegan diet just because you pay someone else to slaughter and butcher animals for you.
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The only thing I've learned from this thread is that BuralBrah probably wasn't hugged enough as a child. You can't just leave your superiority complex in what you shove down your face hole and now are attacking other miscers on their art? Dude. Come on.
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Here is the problem with vegans.

The only reason people are vegan today is the easy access to vegan foods, they can literally walk down the street get a bunch of vegan products imported from different countries and make a meal. There is absolutely no way someone could have done that 100+ years ago.

Billions of people live in locations that can't support the vegan diet without heavily imported goods. Here are some reasons:
- Climate, not all climate can grow vegan friendly food. Someone living in Ontario, Canada where we only get farming friendly weather 4-5 months a year would not have survived 100 years ago.
- Soil, not all soil is created equal. It is only recently that we had to genetically modify the soil to grow in order to grow crops in certain places.
- Animals/Pests/Insects; without pesticides (100+ years) we couldn't yield the large amount of crops we are yielding today.

I would honestly love to see a vegan try to convince a farmer or a fisherman in a 3rd world or developing country about going vegan because "humans aren't meant to eat meat".

At the end of the day vegans are actually anti factory farming/industrialization not anti meat eating.
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