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04-08-2023, 11:41 PM
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Now as WWE been bought by UFC, will we see real brawl for all style shoot wrestling?
WWE has always been scripted since inception by Vince K 's dad Vince J in 1963, since Buddy Rogers won the WWWF Championship in a supposed tournament that never really happened and later due to a heart attack was booked to lose it to Bruno Sammartino who retained it for 7 years before losing it in 1971. Even the 75 time limit classic draw between Bruno Sammartino and Pedro Morales at Showdown at Shea; the WretsleMania before WrestleMania were scripted qas were the Golden Hulkamania era, WretsleMania 3 in 1987 Hulk Hogan slamming Andre The Giant in the most important wrestling match in history in front of 93000+ people, and their rematch in The Main Event in 1988 drawing a record 33 million viewers on NBC the highest in wrestling history, the Attitude Era of the late 1990s and early 2000s headed by The Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin, John Cena carrying WWE on his back 2005-2014, and Brock Lesnar who was huge in WWE 2002-2004, including beating The Rock at SummerSLam 2002, later became a huge draw in UFC MMA beating John Cena at SummerSlam 2014 and over throwing Cena from his place as the face of WWE and the most dominant wrestler in WWE.
Now heres the thing while Lesnar was away 2005-2011 he made it huge in UFC and his contribution in MMA made him stay strong and relevant and he was pushed back to the top upon returning in 2012. WWE knows that after Attitude Era, they lost most of their fanbase to UFC as they didn't like WWE's direction and if they can't get the bloodbaths like Rock vs Foley I Quit match in 1999 in WWF anymore, they might as well resort to watching real combat sport than watching WWE's fake wrestling, ratings were still li8ke 6 in Raw in 2002 by 2012 it fell below 1, 2012 alone they lost like 3 million fans to UFC. After the fall of WCW no wrestling promotion came close to beating WWE, but UFC stole its fanbase.
They brought Lesnar and made him more dominant than ever before for his MMA contribution and brought Ronda Rousey who was top of UFC women's division to dominate WWE's own women's division. And now that they have been totally brought by Endeavor, the parent company of UFC, Endeavor if they want can merge WWE and UFC into the single entity "TKO" and totally make it MMA oriented, or they can keep their MMA and wrestling divisions seperate and keep UFC and WWE seperate.
But what migh happen either ways is WWE going from the scripted predetermined result style of wrestling it featured since inception to actual unscripted wrestling, like the free style wrestling in the Olympics. WWE had Kurt Angle and with his Olympic background became one of the most dominant wrestler in the company and he brought elements from free style wrestling to WWE (as did Bret Hart in the early1990s), and it resulted in perfections like Angle vs Benoit at Royal Rumble 2003, in TNA Angles and Styles had did it at Slammiversary 2008 and it was gold. But again results were pre determined. The closest WWF came to doing actual shoot wrestling was Brawl for All in 1998, I recall Bart Gunn winning but it got him nowhere and fans didn't like the concept, and personally it was meh for me back then too, I started watching in 1996 and didn't care about it much, my all time favorite was Mankind and would cheer whenever he was on. But now I actually appreciate MMA and real sport and am sick of stuff like Alexa Bliss and Bray Wyatt throwing fireballs, that horrible swamp fight between Bray Wyatt and Braun Strowman in 2020, it was a disgrace, ending with Wyatt dragging Strowman into swamp water, I hate the soap opera, but its nothing new I remember Kane shooting laser beams in the ring as back as 1998, and they ruined a legitimate tough athlete like Braun Strowman for a fat slob like Bray Wyatt who can barely move and is nothing without his gimmick. Wrestling has been a soap opera for the longest time (even 1980s Jake Roberts bring snakes to the ring) and its time to make it serious again.
Now that WWE will work side by side with UFC, while UFC features real MMA, WWE should do real wrestling, fire fake athletes like fatty Bray Wyatt and skinny Alexa Bliss (yeah she is cute but we ain't simps, and we are here to see combat, we can watch hot chicks else where) and focus on real talented men and women like Braun Strowman and Shayna Baszler for their mens and womens division. They should ahve actual unscripted shoot fight or even free style wrestling matches like the Olympics between legitimate strong men like Braun Strowman and Cesaro and get rid of the whole face, hell and gimmick non senses. Heck even those crazy Jeff Hardy ladder dives are so pathetic, they are more likely to hurt you than your opponent, and fake moves like Rock Bottom which doesn't even hurt but Rock used in guys like Big Show who pretended to be lifted and jumped down face up are so fake and should be got rid of as with Orton's RKO in which he is using one arm to throw and other to protect, the protecting arm should not be used, it would legitimately break their teeth. Unrealistic stuff like ladder mathes (who goes all the trouble of diving when its more likely to hurt you than your opponent) or hitting people with barbed wire bats , crazy inferno matches setting opponents on fire all these won't exist if WWE starts to do real shoots and acknowledge them as real no sponosrs, tv deals, or anything will legitimize these gimmick matches and WWE would be given instant ban and even have several legal penalty. Anyway ofc after buying WWE for 9 billion Endeavor will never go for such c we see in fake pro wrestling.
What should happen is the return of Brawl for All and also the feature of standard free style wrestling we see in the Olympics, and occasionally they can do stuff like steel cage matches (but not crazy barbed wire steel cage matches like JBL vs Big Show in 2005, if that were real both would have lost their eyes and even bled to death). Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar and Ronda Rousey can be tariners and train the real athletic men and women to keep up with shoot wrestling while firing fake fighters like fatty Bray Wyatt and Otis (as if we can even take his caterpillar move seriously, its such a joke) and have real strong guys like Braun Strowman and Cesaro in legitimate shoot wrestling matches. In this way Endeavor's two divisions UFC can continue its MMA while WWE can do Brawl for All style legitimate shoot wrestling and even have UFC guys challenging their wrestlers in wrestler vs mma fighter matches (like the famous Ali vs Inoki boxer vs wrestler match in 1976), WWE should bring back Tyson Fury and Cain Velasquez like they did in 2019 and have them in shoot wrestling matches with their guys. No more 50+ year old part timers like Goldberg and Lesnar hogging the spotlight (they were great in their primes even tho even then Goldberg rarely wrestled 5+ minutes matches, but now could work as trainer) but have perfectly fit and healthy prime athletes in 20s-30s competing in actual sghoot wrestling matches.
You can still have the fake wrestling in AEW, ROH, TNA, Japan and all. But under Endeavor we should get two types of product, real MMA under UFC division and real shoot wrestling in WWE division and that would make wrestling serious again, and while the nitch soap opera fans might leave, fans of real wrestling who mostly get to watch it once in 4 years only during Olympics can now have weakly free style wrestling featuring stuff like Cesaro vs Strowman in World Wrestling Entertainment now finally showing real unscripted wrestling in 2023...
Now heres the thing while Lesnar was away 2005-2011 he made it huge in UFC and his contribution in MMA made him stay strong and relevant and he was pushed back to the top upon returning in 2012. WWE knows that after Attitude Era, they lost most of their fanbase to UFC as they didn't like WWE's direction and if they can't get the bloodbaths like Rock vs Foley I Quit match in 1999 in WWF anymore, they might as well resort to watching real combat sport than watching WWE's fake wrestling, ratings were still li8ke 6 in Raw in 2002 by 2012 it fell below 1, 2012 alone they lost like 3 million fans to UFC. After the fall of WCW no wrestling promotion came close to beating WWE, but UFC stole its fanbase.
They brought Lesnar and made him more dominant than ever before for his MMA contribution and brought Ronda Rousey who was top of UFC women's division to dominate WWE's own women's division. And now that they have been totally brought by Endeavor, the parent company of UFC, Endeavor if they want can merge WWE and UFC into the single entity "TKO" and totally make it MMA oriented, or they can keep their MMA and wrestling divisions seperate and keep UFC and WWE seperate.
But what migh happen either ways is WWE going from the scripted predetermined result style of wrestling it featured since inception to actual unscripted wrestling, like the free style wrestling in the Olympics. WWE had Kurt Angle and with his Olympic background became one of the most dominant wrestler in the company and he brought elements from free style wrestling to WWE (as did Bret Hart in the early1990s), and it resulted in perfections like Angle vs Benoit at Royal Rumble 2003, in TNA Angles and Styles had did it at Slammiversary 2008 and it was gold. But again results were pre determined. The closest WWF came to doing actual shoot wrestling was Brawl for All in 1998, I recall Bart Gunn winning but it got him nowhere and fans didn't like the concept, and personally it was meh for me back then too, I started watching in 1996 and didn't care about it much, my all time favorite was Mankind and would cheer whenever he was on. But now I actually appreciate MMA and real sport and am sick of stuff like Alexa Bliss and Bray Wyatt throwing fireballs, that horrible swamp fight between Bray Wyatt and Braun Strowman in 2020, it was a disgrace, ending with Wyatt dragging Strowman into swamp water, I hate the soap opera, but its nothing new I remember Kane shooting laser beams in the ring as back as 1998, and they ruined a legitimate tough athlete like Braun Strowman for a fat slob like Bray Wyatt who can barely move and is nothing without his gimmick. Wrestling has been a soap opera for the longest time (even 1980s Jake Roberts bring snakes to the ring) and its time to make it serious again.
Now that WWE will work side by side with UFC, while UFC features real MMA, WWE should do real wrestling, fire fake athletes like fatty Bray Wyatt and skinny Alexa Bliss (yeah she is cute but we ain't simps, and we are here to see combat, we can watch hot chicks else where) and focus on real talented men and women like Braun Strowman and Shayna Baszler for their mens and womens division. They should ahve actual unscripted shoot fight or even free style wrestling matches like the Olympics between legitimate strong men like Braun Strowman and Cesaro and get rid of the whole face, hell and gimmick non senses. Heck even those crazy Jeff Hardy ladder dives are so pathetic, they are more likely to hurt you than your opponent, and fake moves like Rock Bottom which doesn't even hurt but Rock used in guys like Big Show who pretended to be lifted and jumped down face up are so fake and should be got rid of as with Orton's RKO in which he is using one arm to throw and other to protect, the protecting arm should not be used, it would legitimately break their teeth. Unrealistic stuff like ladder mathes (who goes all the trouble of diving when its more likely to hurt you than your opponent) or hitting people with barbed wire bats , crazy inferno matches setting opponents on fire all these won't exist if WWE starts to do real shoots and acknowledge them as real no sponosrs, tv deals, or anything will legitimize these gimmick matches and WWE would be given instant ban and even have several legal penalty. Anyway ofc after buying WWE for 9 billion Endeavor will never go for such c we see in fake pro wrestling.
What should happen is the return of Brawl for All and also the feature of standard free style wrestling we see in the Olympics, and occasionally they can do stuff like steel cage matches (but not crazy barbed wire steel cage matches like JBL vs Big Show in 2005, if that were real both would have lost their eyes and even bled to death). Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar and Ronda Rousey can be tariners and train the real athletic men and women to keep up with shoot wrestling while firing fake fighters like fatty Bray Wyatt and Otis (as if we can even take his caterpillar move seriously, its such a joke) and have real strong guys like Braun Strowman and Cesaro in legitimate shoot wrestling matches. In this way Endeavor's two divisions UFC can continue its MMA while WWE can do Brawl for All style legitimate shoot wrestling and even have UFC guys challenging their wrestlers in wrestler vs mma fighter matches (like the famous Ali vs Inoki boxer vs wrestler match in 1976), WWE should bring back Tyson Fury and Cain Velasquez like they did in 2019 and have them in shoot wrestling matches with their guys. No more 50+ year old part timers like Goldberg and Lesnar hogging the spotlight (they were great in their primes even tho even then Goldberg rarely wrestled 5+ minutes matches, but now could work as trainer) but have perfectly fit and healthy prime athletes in 20s-30s competing in actual sghoot wrestling matches.
You can still have the fake wrestling in AEW, ROH, TNA, Japan and all. But under Endeavor we should get two types of product, real MMA under UFC division and real shoot wrestling in WWE division and that would make wrestling serious again, and while the nitch soap opera fans might leave, fans of real wrestling who mostly get to watch it once in 4 years only during Olympics can now have weakly free style wrestling featuring stuff like Cesaro vs Strowman in World Wrestling Entertainment now finally showing real unscripted wrestling in 2023...
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Didn’t read…but no.
04-08-2023, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted By ChunkBuster⏩
What I am talking about is bringing back Brawl for All like they did in 1998, but this time make it their standard and get rid of all the cringy stuff like fatty Bray Wyatt who is only relevant for his gimmick and can't wrestle (he can barely walk) shooting fireballs, ruining real athletes like Braun Strowman by luring them into swamp water in ridiculous swamp fight matches, get rid of all the soap opera associated with pro wrestling and have real shoot wrestling matches between real athletes like Cesaro vs Strowman, ven have UFC guys challenging their wrestlers in wrestler vs mma fighter matches (like the famous Ali vs Inoki boxer vs wrestler match in 1976), WWE should bring back Tyson Fury and Cain Velasquez like they did in 2019 and have them in shoot wrestling matches with their guys.Didn’t read…but no.
After attitude era UFC took away most of WWE's fan base and WWE knew that and thats why they pushed Brock Lesnar and Ronda Rousey to the moon, it all foreshadowed this, and now that WWE is merging with UFC it would be great time to finally have real shoot wrestling getting rid of phonies like Bray Wyatt, Otis, midget Hornswoggle and have real athletes like Braun Strowman and Cesaro dominate the scene in real shoot wrestling matches. #Bring back Brawl for All!!!
04-09-2023, 12:48 AM
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no its too risky to expose the 'tough ' wrestlers as 'not so tough'. the brawl for all was expected to have doctor death win it all to legitimize his status as a bad ass, then take on the main bad ass stone cold steve austin- but death was knocked out and his career ended right there in wwe and Bart Gun of all people won it then knocked out by butterbean
right now, if they did that again, and someone like Solo gets knocked out by legit fighter Riddle (who now rides a bike and is super chill) it would kill both gimmicks.
right now, if they did that again, and someone like Solo gets knocked out by legit fighter Riddle (who now rides a bike and is super chill) it would kill both gimmicks.
04-09-2023, 12:52 AM
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I am all in for Brawl for All, but yeah, it is too risky for top stars to get injured or ruin their repu. Roman will smoke all anyway.
And wasn't Brawl for All Russo's idea cuz he hated JBL's arrogance and wanted to get him KOd? lol
And wasn't Brawl for All Russo's idea cuz he hated JBL's arrogance and wanted to get him KOd? lol
04-09-2023, 01:16 AM
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That's giving Russo a lot more credit than he deserves.I am all in for Brawl for All, but yeah, it is too risky for top stars to get injured or ruin their repu. Roman will smoke all anyway.
And wasn't Brawl for All Russo's ideacuz he hated JBL's arrogance and wanted to get him KOd?lol
And wasn't Brawl for All Russo's ideacuz he hated JBL's arrogance and wanted to get him KOd?lol
It was probably just luck that it ended up how he would have liked it to go.
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04-09-2023, 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted By ChristmasFnatic⏩
aThis is why the fake fighters should be fired, only legitimate tough guys like Cesaro, Rusev, Strowman, Rhonda, Shayna, Lashley and all should stay. Fake all gimmick but no actual fighting skill guys like Bray Wyatt should be gone and the soap opera non sense wrestling been associated should finally be vanished at least in the new WWE, the idea of Cesaro vs Strowman in an Olympic free style wrestling match is amazing, that should be the norm, no more crappy goofy gimmick matches like 2017 Orton vs Wyatt "house of horror" rubbish, and people like Randy Orton who keeps getting their shoulder injured, hasn't even been fit to compete since back in 2007 (I really liked pre 2007 Orton so afst agile and his match with Benoit at SummerSlsam 2004 was genuinely amazing) should all be forced to retire. They should hire perfectly fit and healthy athletes in 20s-30s for actual real shoot wrestling matches and train up the young healthy and fit ones in the current roster. Injury scare doesn't hamper MMA, so why should we be deprived of actual wrestling? It would be great if only legitimate athletes stay and the fake fighters leave and the legitimate athletes start giving us actual Olympic style unscripted wrestling and injuries are dealth with like actual sports, say you scheduled Strowman vs Cesaro but Strowman got injured, have Riddle vs Cesaro as replacement, as long as you have the fit and healthy 20-30 year old athletes to pull it out they can and will. Endeavor's UFC division will continue giving us MMA which ahs always been real and WWE division will be giving us actual wrestling from now on, and no more soap opera goofy fatty Bray Wyatt type non senses, but just actual wrestling between competent athletes, and those who prefer the goofy stuff can watch AEW , TNA or whatever (I don't follow AEW but used to watch TNA back in the day and remember Abyss's crazy spiky weapon Janice with which he fake attacked RVD and left him in blooded mess in 2010, just pathetic). But from now on World Wrestling Entertainment should show us actual shoot wrestling from actual wrestlers and hope that is what happens.I am all in for Brawl for All, but yeah, it is too risky for top stars to get injured or ruin their repu. Roman will smoke all anyway.
And wasn't Brawl for All Russo's idea cuz he hated JBL's arrogance and wanted to get him KOd? lol
And wasn't Brawl for All Russo's idea cuz he hated JBL's arrogance and wanted to get him KOd? lol
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Brawl for all was a clusterfck 🤣
04-09-2023, 06:49 AM
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