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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
This looks interestingYou might be interested in strangles for positions that are mooning. For instance STO on PLTR $45c/$50p. Check it out on OPC to see what it looks like as far as break evens. I’m gonna look into opening some in a couple stocks later today. Need to spend more time looking at IV
02-08-2021, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
FUK I need to start putting in absurd orders like thatLOOOOOOOL someone bought AACQ May 21 2021 12.5 Put for $6 today. It must have been an accident, but this is why you set retarded prices because people do dumb stuff
02-08-2021, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted By Harry362⏩
I've got a bunch of buy orders set for spac stuff hovering around the 10.11 range just in case. Once I get loaded up I'll do the opposite and set a bunch of silly sell orders at 30%+ gains. Always set these orders to go GTC_EXT so they are available after hours when the most unusual trades typically occur.FUK I need to start putting in absurd orders like that
In other news BTC my FTOC puts for 0.75 after buying between 1-1.10 Friday.
Got AACQ May Puts BTC offer put in at $2.05
BTC 2/19 CCIV 25P @1.7
I'll take quick money instead of hodling to expiration.
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02-08-2021, 09:31 AM
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i didn't get involve in the gme meme hype but i got lucky with some naked calls.
i got my ass handed to me tho after the fact, down a couple thousand
looking at CSP's and CC's now. coming back to earth after the mania from the last few weeks. lol
i got my ass handed to me tho after the fact, down a couple thousand
looking at CSP's and CC's now. coming back to earth after the mania from the last few weeks. lol
02-08-2021, 09:58 AM
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AMD moving now.
After I sold at loss last week.
Just great.
After I sold at loss last week.
Just great.
02-08-2021, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
Lol nice to see I’m not only one playing this. It’s not a bad companySTO
UWMC
2/19
$10p @ $.85 x50
Let’s see a super bowl pop (decent commercial around the second quarter lol)
UWMC
2/19
$10p @ $.85 x50
Let’s see a super bowl pop (decent commercial around the second quarter lol)
02-08-2021, 12:30 PM
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02-08-2021, 12:52 PM
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Guys how is this not free money?
CCIV - Buy 100 shares for $3200
STO 5/19 50cc for $950
STO 5/19 30p for $1150
that reduces the cost basis to $11/share. If it moons past 50 you make $3800 per set
Errr you can move this up to April for similar too
50cc for $850
30p for $1000
CCIV - Buy 100 shares for $3200
STO 5/19 50cc for $950
STO 5/19 30p for $1150
that reduces the cost basis to $11/share. If it moons past 50 you make $3800 per set
Errr you can move this up to April for similar too
50cc for $850
30p for $1000
02-08-2021, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
like this?
2021 Totals:
Adj cost: 88,982.58
Adj proceeds: 104,369.06
Adj gain ($): 15,386.48
Adj gain (%) 17.29
I can try to post pictures for proof if anyone doesn't believe. Those are executed trades ^ I've got like $6k gains unrealized currently as well. OFC this isn't strictly theta gains either- its from shares/warrants/options altogether.
Not that crazy. Chino is making like $8k every week when his holdings expire
2021 Totals:
Adj cost: 88,982.58
Adj proceeds: 104,369.06
Adj gain ($): 15,386.48
Adj gain (%) 17.29
I can try to post pictures for proof if anyone doesn't believe. Those are executed trades ^ I've got like $6k gains unrealized currently as well. OFC this isn't strictly theta gains either- its from shares/warrants/options altogether.
Not that crazy. Chino is making like $8k every week when his holdings expire

Originally Posted By usersignup2⏩
My port fluctuates dramatically as Im heavily weighted in TSLA. 20K swing in a month is not uncommon.
My main goal is income and I target 2 - 2.5K a week with relatively conservative plays. Same plays every week. Open on Monday morning and close them Friday afternoon or let them expire.
My main goal is income and I target 2 - 2.5K a week with relatively conservative plays. Same plays every week. Open on Monday morning and close them Friday afternoon or let them expire.
Originally Posted By Heaney⏩
No screens no careUp 8-900% now since April, realized gains YTD 2021 are around 60K but I have over 130K unrealized right now from a position I opened mid January. Started on dat dere poverty time though so account size isn't as impressive as it might sound like it should be.
I really do think there's a good amount of liars in here....Much more than before and more than you guys think. These stock market threads used to have allot more honest and level headed contributes so I can see why a new forum is in many of our thoughts.
Here's a good example of why panic selling is about the dumbest thing you can do:

Journal: https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=139898123&page=240
02-08-2021, 04:59 PM
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[QUOTE=chino3 post_id=1630644183]Not sure if it would be tacky to post dollar amounts, but here is a snapshot of my 3 month returns.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/DehczUt.jpg[img]
I'll probably end up riding it out. It's my last exposure, outside of my long holds, with TSLA, and even if it gets assigned (cost basis would be $800), I would be chill with wheeling it. Between S&P, ARK, and Blackrock, it will have solid support.[/QUOTE]Repped
[img]https://i.imgur.com/DehczUt.jpg[img]
I'll probably end up riding it out. It's my last exposure, outside of my long holds, with TSLA, and even if it gets assigned (cost basis would be $800), I would be chill with wheeling it. Between S&P, ARK, and Blackrock, it will have solid support.[/QUOTE]Repped
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02-08-2021, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted By dopamine72⏩
Not a big portfolio like others here but gainz are gainz. Thanks to all the regular posters here.You guys wanna start posting your portfolio gains? Surely there's some absolute monster one's. Reps to whoever.

02-08-2021, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted By dopamine72⏩
http://imgur.com/a/CtRiDktNo screens no care
I really do think there's a good amount of liars in here....Much more than before and more than you guys think. These stock market threads used to have allot more honest and level headed contributes so I can see why a new forum is in many of our thoughts.
Here's a good example of why panic selling is about the dumbest thing you can do:

I really do think there's a good amount of liars in here....Much more than before and more than you guys think. These stock market threads used to have allot more honest and level headed contributes so I can see why a new forum is in many of our thoughts.
Here's a good example of why panic selling is about the dumbest thing you can do:

"Inception" was April 2020.
Screenshot of my CCIV postion is in the main trading thread showing +130K gains.
02-08-2021, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted By dopamine72⏩
I mainly post to keep myself accountable. Its very easy to get wrapped up in wins and not remember or recognize your losses. Thats why post both, like the time I lost 30K+ on TSLA cc so that I can remember when/how/why I screwed up.No screens no care
I really do think there's a good amount of liars in here....Much more than before and more than you guys think. These stock market threads used to have allot more honest and level headed contributes so I can see why a new forum is in many of our thoughts.
I really do think there's a good amount of liars in here....Much more than before and more than you guys think. These stock market threads used to have allot more honest and level headed contributes so I can see why a new forum is in many of our thoughts.
This is only part of my cash account. I have retirement accounts that I dont trade from yet.
02-09-2021, 06:14 AM
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[QUOTE=usersignup2 post_id=1630915013]I mainly post to keep myself accountable. Its very easy to get wrapped up in wins and not remember or recognize your losses. Thats why post both, like the time I lost 30K+ on TSLA cc so that I can remember when/how/why I screwed up.
0om[/img][/QUOTE]This is why I love logging everything on thetagang.com
0om[/img][/QUOTE]This is why I love logging everything on thetagang.com
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02-09-2021, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
May do thisThis is why I love logging everything on thetagang.com
02-09-2021, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
Despite me recently saying I am focusing on discipline, I went with a somewhat yolo-ish play with this...STO
UWMC
2/19
$10p @ $.85 x50
Let’s see a super bowl pop (decent commercial around the second quarter lol)
UWMC
2/19
$10p @ $.85 x50
Let’s see a super bowl pop (decent commercial around the second quarter lol)
STO 2/19
$10p @ $.85 x100
$10c @ $.30 x100
Key takeaways:
Maximum return: $11.5k @ $10 @ expiration
Breaks even at expiry: $11.00, $8.85
Depending on where it is sitting next Friday, I may just take assignment, and start a wheel for 3/19. Even with it sitting low today, the 3/19 $10cc premium is $.7, so on this position would be $7k in premium alone. Still lots of time to figure things out, and for price to move.
For anyone curious what this play looks like, see this OPC link:http://opcalc.com/ob9
Originally Posted By Harry362⏩
mfw seeing the price action these past few daysLol nice to see I’m not only one playing this. It’s not a bad company
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Originally Posted By usersignup2⏩
You should! It really keeps you in check and see the bigger picture. It's also what somewhat braced me for my pending tax bill...May do this
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02-09-2021, 09:20 AM
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STO
TSLA Feb12 850P
Just looking for a quick gain. Will exit if I can get 25%.
TSLA Feb12 850P
Just looking for a quick gain. Will exit if I can get 25%.
02-09-2021, 09:57 AM
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I am loaded to the tits on cash secured puts. Added today
STO 8x 3/19 BFT 15p $102 each
STO 10x 3/19 GIK 12.5 $100 each
3/19 is huge for me. Thinking of selling calls against my BFT, Ipoe, and the rest of my Ftoc be full thetagang
STO 8x 3/19 BFT 15p $102 each
STO 10x 3/19 GIK 12.5 $100 each
3/19 is huge for me. Thinking of selling calls against my BFT, Ipoe, and the rest of my Ftoc be full thetagang
02-09-2021, 12:05 PM
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[QUOTE=NoScrubz post_id=1630904253]Not a big portfolio like others here but gainz are gainz. Thanks to all the regular posters here.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/1GkE5ea.png[img][/QUOTE]Fukin LOL those Rapid percentage gains are incredible bro repped
[img]https://i.imgur.com/1GkE5ea.png[img][/QUOTE]Fukin LOL those Rapid percentage gains are incredible bro repped
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02-09-2021, 06:00 PM
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Harry, and anyone interested in a good opportunity to get in on a dividend play along with some wheel action...
UWMC is paying out a $.10/share dividend for people holding through 3/10. Here's the play:
STO $10p for 2/19. Looking like you will absolutely get assigned, and get in at a juicy premium/cost basis.
STO $10c for 3/19. This is a crap shoot, because we could see a pump of people getting in just for the dividend, but remember that the price drops by that divy amount after recording date. Regardless, the premium is solid for 3/19 @ $10c
UWMC is paying out a $.10/share dividend for people holding through 3/10. Here's the play:
STO $10p for 2/19. Looking like you will absolutely get assigned, and get in at a juicy premium/cost basis.
STO $10c for 3/19. This is a crap shoot, because we could see a pump of people getting in just for the dividend, but remember that the price drops by that divy amount after recording date. Regardless, the premium is solid for 3/19 @ $10c
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02-09-2021, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
I’ve already got 10x 3/19p for $144 each so my cost basis will be 8.56. I was hoping to get assigned and was going to sell monthly 12.5 calls to lower my cost basis or eventually being called away which will be a nice profit tooHarry, and anyone interested in a good opportunity to get in on a dividend play along with some wheel action...
UWMC is paying out a $.10/share dividend for people holding through 3/10. Here's the play:
STO $10p for 2/19. Looking like you will absolutely get assigned, and get in at a juicy premium/cost basis.
STO $10c for 3/19. This is a crap shoot, because we could see a pump of people getting in just for the dividend, but remember that the price drops by that divy amount after recording date. Regardless, the premium is solid for 3/19 @ $10c
UWMC is paying out a $.10/share dividend for people holding through 3/10. Here's the play:
STO $10p for 2/19. Looking like you will absolutely get assigned, and get in at a juicy premium/cost basis.
STO $10c for 3/19. This is a crap shoot, because we could see a pump of people getting in just for the dividend, but remember that the price drops by that divy amount after recording date. Regardless, the premium is solid for 3/19 @ $10c
It’s a good boring company. I thought the dividend was going to be 40c yearly? So is it 10c quarterly?
02-09-2021, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted By Harry362⏩
Quarterly, and the first will be paid out:I’ve already got 10x 3/19p for $144 each so my cost basis will be 8.56. I was hoping to get assigned and was going to sell monthly 12.5 calls to lower my cost basis or eventually being called away which will be a nice profit too
It’s a good boring company. I thought the dividend was going to be 40c yearly? So is it 10c quarterly?
It’s a good boring company. I thought the dividend was going to be 40c yearly? So is it 10c quarterly?
"The Board of Directors of UWMC declared its first regular quarterly dividend of $0.10 per share on the outstanding shares of Class A Common Stock. The dividend ispayable on April 6, 2021tostockholders of record at the close of business on March 10, 2021."
https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...2010%2C%202021.
If you want dat dere divy, you better do some for 2/19. Premiums are still really good because it's been dipping hard lol. I have 100 contracts. Balls to the wall breh
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
I'm about to sell all my SPAC positions and wait for my CSP to go through.Are you ever weary of holding options when the possibility of market correction is looming?
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02-09-2021, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted By Harry362⏩
4 APXT @15 for 3/19What CSP are you holding?
5 AACQ @12.5 for 5/21
I'll just keep buying more if I don't get exercised.
Might add FUSE and THCB
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02-09-2021, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Even though I’m on Portfolio margin, I keep enough cash available to either fully purchase everything or at least purchase what I want to hold and then buy to close positions I’m indifferent about.Are you ever weary of holding options when the possibility of market correction is looming?
Not to mention I would just wheel at my exercised price. That’s the game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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02-10-2021, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
I have to come back to this, because you are constantly posting about market corrections...Are you ever weary of holding options when the possibility of market correction is looming?
There is next to nothing you can do about a correction. You can be constantly on edge and sell at a sudden change of wind at a potential loss or profit, but then miss out/be scared about another entry point. All you can do is make smart moves, and understand your risk. There are ways to dig yourself out of holes too. Example, I was negative $40k on RKT for 6 fukking months... How would you fair with such a negative figure? Out of stubbornness, and unwillingness to be a fukking dolt and just sell, I decided to make that asset work FOR me. I sold covered calls, but not just "safe" covered calls, I was aggressive. I studied the movement of that stock hard, and could almost predict every move to come (slight exaggeration, but you get it). I sold calls well below my initial cost basis, because IknewI wouldn't see them called away. I did this until I recouped my losses, and then finally sold at the end of the year for tax loss harvesting, and because I knew I could get back in at a similar price point (spot on might I add...).
Again, it's all about how you MANAGE your positions. I will break down my current play that is looking ugly this morning (as is everything) but show you the big picture and possibilities:
Warning, this is a lot...
Spoiler!
UWMC
2/19
STO $10p @ $.91
STO $10c @ $.31 (opened because it looked like assignment was inevitable. Wanted to open before the price went down further, and reduced the premium in turn)
My break even is $8.78. That means come 2/19, if I really just want to GTFO of this, as long as it is above $8.78, I can close out without a loss. But I am 90% sure I want to take on assignment because of the following:
This stock will have a dividend payout of $.10 per share for record holders as of 3/10. I want that. And that goes into my next play
Again, looking at assignment, I set up another covered call for 3/19 for $10 @ $.74. This is after the dividend issuing, and honestly, there is a good chance it gets stuck under $10.
But what does that mean for the big picture? It means I collected $1.96/share in premium, which drops my cost basis to $8.04. Throw in the $.10 dividend payment, I am now down to $7.94.
From here, I can continue to wheel by selling covered calls at $10 for pretty solid premiums until called away, or I can just sell whenever and be in a pretty good position to do so based on movement. Meaning that in 45 days, the only way for me to be "negative" would be if the price dropped below $7.94. But if it did that, I would just wheel and wheel and wheel. Shoot, another 3 months worth of premiums later, I am looking at the next dividend payout as well!
In premiums and dividend payments alone, this is a20% return playin just 45 days...
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02-10-2021, 09:20 AM
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Anyone using TDA? Trying to post some gainz p0rn for dopamine and trying to figure out how to either get a graph or a chart or some chit. Only graph I see includes money I added and seeing as I pushed $15k into my account somewhat recently it jacks up my gainz. Suggestions? I guess I could post a shot of the numbers I typed in + account balance?
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02-10-2021, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
I am 99% sure you can't post a performance chart w/o deposits, but I go to accounts, balances, history. Otherwise, you have to pull a monthly statement and review COST BASIS.Anyone using TDA? Trying to post some gainz p0rn for dopamine and trying to figure out how to either get a graph or a chart or some chit. Only graph I see includes money I added and seeing as I pushed $15k into my account somewhat recently it jacks up my gainz. Suggestions? I guess I could post a shot of the numbers I typed in + account balance?
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