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05-11-2022, 07:18 PM
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Discuss: The Basic Laws Of Human Stupidity
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -- Mark Twain
Ignorant people can be educated. Stupid people can know all the facts and still act stupidly.
Stupid people are always there; they aren't what determines societies collapsing.
What is important is maintaining a higher number of intelligent ethical people vs. "bandits" [unethical intelligent people].
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Five Laws Of Human Stupidity
1] Everyone underestimates the number of stupid people.
You overestimate the number of intelligent people based on superficial criteria like job, education, class, race, eloquence, etc.
2] The probability that a person is stupid is independent of any other characteristic.
You will find a roughly equal percentage of stupid people in any group.
3] A stupid person causes losses to others without gains to themselves. [social theory of stupidity] They are messing things for everyone else without any clear gain, or are actively harming themselves while messing things up for others. These are people who are consistently stupid; not randomly or rarely.
4] Non-stupid people underestimate the danger of stupid people.
5] Stupid people are the most dangerous people on the planet.*
* Stupid people are more dangerous than bandits because bandits are predictable as they are following incentives/have goals.
You shouldn't assume that people who are highly educated aren't stupid, nor that ignorant people are stupid.1] Everyone underestimates the number of stupid people.
You overestimate the number of intelligent people based on superficial criteria like job, education, class, race, eloquence, etc.
2] The probability that a person is stupid is independent of any other characteristic.
You will find a roughly equal percentage of stupid people in any group.
3] A stupid person causes losses to others without gains to themselves. [social theory of stupidity] They are messing things for everyone else without any clear gain, or are actively harming themselves while messing things up for others. These are people who are consistently stupid; not randomly or rarely.
4] Non-stupid people underestimate the danger of stupid people.
5] Stupid people are the most dangerous people on the planet.*
* Stupid people are more dangerous than bandits because bandits are predictable as they are following incentives/have goals.
Ignorant people can be educated. Stupid people can know all the facts and still act stupidly.
Stupid people are always there; they aren't what determines societies collapsing.
What is important is maintaining a higher number of intelligent ethical people vs. "bandits" [unethical intelligent people].
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So much for 50 words. lol
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05-11-2022, 07:26 PM
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1.) after the sh!tshow that was Covid I certainly don’t underestimate the number of stupid people
2.) I think this is a good one consistently remind yourself of in order to avoid falling into groupthink
3.) seems obvious
4.) probably a good point, because the harms of stupid people usually aren’t easily measured…or seem to be contained to a small area around the stupid person.
5.) not sure I agree with that. I mean, if the brilliant people leading society didn’t funnel the stupid people a certain way we would be much better off. So who is more dangerous, the stupid person or the genius directing a million stupid people to harmful actions?
2.) I think this is a good one consistently remind yourself of in order to avoid falling into groupthink
3.) seems obvious
4.) probably a good point, because the harms of stupid people usually aren’t easily measured…or seem to be contained to a small area around the stupid person.
5.) not sure I agree with that. I mean, if the brilliant people leading society didn’t funnel the stupid people a certain way we would be much better off. So who is more dangerous, the stupid person or the genius directing a million stupid people to harmful actions?
05-11-2022, 07:29 PM
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So what are the telltale of a stupid person? Especially those who aint obvious.
05-11-2022, 07:37 PM
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Seems to conflate stupidity with irrationality which, while often overlapping, are 2 different things
Eg stupid people often align to one political party over another thinking that if their team wins, their life will somehow change for the better
They are acting in their own self interest, but just misguided
Eg stupid people often align to one political party over another thinking that if their team wins, their life will somehow change for the better
They are acting in their own self interest, but just misguided
05-11-2022, 07:44 PM
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“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
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05-11-2022, 07:50 PM
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Average IQ in human beings is terribly low for advanced species standards. Honestly just the last couple of years i realized how stupid the average person is, and how terrifying and problematic that is.
It’s a bitter sweet pill to swallow, in one hand you can excel and stand out from others much easier if you have some good level of IQ and EQ. On the other hand most things are out of your control since we live in a society and the herd mentality is something that can really mess up your life.
It’s a bitter sweet pill to swallow, in one hand you can excel and stand out from others much easier if you have some good level of IQ and EQ. On the other hand most things are out of your control since we live in a society and the herd mentality is something that can really mess up your life.
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05-11-2022, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Absolutely all of this, but it still aggravates me that so many people are so happy to be willfully ignorant. "I don't understand it, so it's fake."Average IQ in human beings is terribly low for advanced species standards. Honestly just the last couple of years i realized how stupid the average person is, and how terrifying and problematic that is.
It’s a bitter sweet pill to swallow, in one hand you can excel and stand out from others much easier if you have some good level of IQ and EQ. On the other hand most things are out of your control since we live in a society and the herd mentality is something that can really mess up your life.
It’s a bitter sweet pill to swallow, in one hand you can excel and stand out from others much easier if you have some good level of IQ and EQ. On the other hand most things are out of your control since we live in a society and the herd mentality is something that can really mess up your life.
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05-11-2022, 07:57 PM
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There’s really only 1 law
1. All of you are stupid until proven otherwise.
1. All of you are stupid until proven otherwise.
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05-11-2022, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
It’s ridiculous, you can find a high % of stupid people in every area or field. Medical, engineering, therapeutic, government, etc, you name it.And then remember that educated people would possess higher than average intelligence, and even they have proven to be amazingly stupid.
Makes it even worse.
Makes it even worse.
Best filter of smart people I can think of right now is the good old “you think the gob wants to help the people or help themselves?”.
Answer will reveal a lot about a persons intelligence or ignorance.
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05-11-2022, 08:05 PM
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The 2020 election showed there are millions of stupid people in the US.
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05-11-2022, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
He belongs in a museum.Throughout humanity's existence, leaders of societies have controlled the flow of information in order to control their populations. It's easier to maintain control over a stupid population, you just have to provide them with basic needs and tell them what to think (or fear).
Still works to this day, we see it everyday with morons like NYPat who jump when they're told to.
Still works to this day, we see it everyday with morons like NYPat who jump when they're told to.
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05-11-2022, 08:09 PM
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1) believing the government
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05-11-2022, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
The video is an explanation and discussion of an old essay that is still available for purchase, but I would guess there are free version out there:1.) after the sh!tshow that was Covid I certainly don’t underestimate the number of stupid people
2.) I think this is a good one consistently remind yourself of in order to avoid falling into groupthink
3.) seems obvious
4.) probably a good point, because the harms of stupid people usually aren’t easily measured…or seem to be contained to a small area around the stupid person.
5.) not sure I agree with that. I mean, if the brilliant people leading society didn’t funnel the stupid people a certain way we would be much better off. So who is more dangerous, the stupid person or the genius directing a million stupid people to harmful actions?
2.) I think this is a good one consistently remind yourself of in order to avoid falling into groupthink
3.) seems obvious
4.) probably a good point, because the harms of stupid people usually aren’t easily measured…or seem to be contained to a small area around the stupid person.
5.) not sure I agree with that. I mean, if the brilliant people leading society didn’t funnel the stupid people a certain way we would be much better off. So who is more dangerous, the stupid person or the genius directing a million stupid people to harmful actions?
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...uman-stupidity
On #5 I believe that the stupid were doubly dangerous because:
- like the helpless/hapless they can be lead in destructive directions by bandits
- unlike the helpless/hapless their chaotic nature makes them apt to "mess things up" no matter who is in charge; so e.g. a bandit leader may be intending a limited/targeted amount of damage for their own benefit, but stupid people could instead turn that into widespread damage, or serious/long term damage either because the stupid people are actively self-harming or just don't think through their actions enough to judge where the line is for themselves [see: just following orders].
Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
It does represent self-interest vs. "book learning".Seems to conflate stupidity with irrationality which, while often overlapping, are 2 different things
Eg stupid people often align to one political party over another thinking that if their team wins, their life will somehow change for the better
They are acting in their own self interest, but just misguided
Eg stupid people often align to one political party over another thinking that if their team wins, their life will somehow change for the better
They are acting in their own self interest, but just misguided
intelligent = seek win/win outcomes
helpless = follow the herd, win for others/loss for themselves
bandits = seek to win/unconcerned with losses for others
stupid = seeking to lose [self-destructive], or are incapable of winning
loss for themselves + loss for others
Seems to me that one sort of stupidity [self-destructive] encompasses a lot of people, including plenty that "pass" as successful.
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05-11-2022, 08:43 PM
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A lot of IQ is processing speed and ability. The reason you see people with seemingly high IQ having a PhD or are academically advance, yet see quite stupid in the grand scheme of things, is basically putting their IQ towards things of less value or one highly specific importance. I'll give you two real life examples I know.
Example 1: I know a woman who is a teacher (or professor?) that has her masters and was working towards her PhD. A family friend told me she had upwards 250k in student loans and yet made 60k a year. She was in her 30s and was also delivering pizza on the weekends.
Example 2: My dad worked for a dealership for many years, but is now retired. One day his buddies friend came in, a mexican man with broken english. The guy was in dirty jeans, boots, and a t shirt. He came in and bought a new truck....cash. That day. Come to find out my dad's friend said that guy owns his own lawn care business and also that guy and his brother own some inflatable jumpy business for kids parties and these guys make probably deep into six figures profit.
So which is more intelligent. The girl with highly specific academic and subject specific expertise but is 250k in unpayable debt with a ****ty career, or the guy with broken english with 2 businesses, no debt and buys everything in cash.
So intelligence is so broad and over so many aspects of life that it only really determines one thing. Ability. To what really depends on too many factors to really find value in it. Also another factor to look at is time period. Intelligence directly applies to necessity. For example, we live in the information age. Intelligence to me in this current age would be the ability of discernment and application. Whereas someone in the Industrial Age would consider intelligence to be complex engineering and application en scale.
People are corruptible. Although I am not a catholic, I do like their outlook on the 7 deadly sins. They really show how people can be corrupted and enslaved, not by just material things, but their own vices and desires. This is a very prevalent topic today because we are seeing a result of some type of mass psychosis and people forfeiting their ability to think and discern in return for comfort and ease of ignorance.
Example 1: I know a woman who is a teacher (or professor?) that has her masters and was working towards her PhD. A family friend told me she had upwards 250k in student loans and yet made 60k a year. She was in her 30s and was also delivering pizza on the weekends.
Example 2: My dad worked for a dealership for many years, but is now retired. One day his buddies friend came in, a mexican man with broken english. The guy was in dirty jeans, boots, and a t shirt. He came in and bought a new truck....cash. That day. Come to find out my dad's friend said that guy owns his own lawn care business and also that guy and his brother own some inflatable jumpy business for kids parties and these guys make probably deep into six figures profit.
So which is more intelligent. The girl with highly specific academic and subject specific expertise but is 250k in unpayable debt with a ****ty career, or the guy with broken english with 2 businesses, no debt and buys everything in cash.
So intelligence is so broad and over so many aspects of life that it only really determines one thing. Ability. To what really depends on too many factors to really find value in it. Also another factor to look at is time period. Intelligence directly applies to necessity. For example, we live in the information age. Intelligence to me in this current age would be the ability of discernment and application. Whereas someone in the Industrial Age would consider intelligence to be complex engineering and application en scale.
People are corruptible. Although I am not a catholic, I do like their outlook on the 7 deadly sins. They really show how people can be corrupted and enslaved, not by just material things, but their own vices and desires. This is a very prevalent topic today because we are seeing a result of some type of mass psychosis and people forfeiting their ability to think and discern in return for comfort and ease of ignorance.
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker⏩
Unless your degree is from a top school, and is actually a complex subject, IMO it means absolute **** regarding IQ.A lot of IQ is processing speed and ability. The reason you see people with seemingly high IQ having a PhD or are academically advance, yet see quite stupid in the grand scheme of things, is basically putting their IQ towards things of less value or one highly specific importance. I'll give you two real life examples I know.
Example 1: I know a woman who is a teacher (or professor?) that has her masters and was working towards her PhD. A family friend told me she had upwards 250k in student loans and yet made 60k a year. She was in her 30s and was also delivering pizza on the weekends.
Example 2: My dad worked for a dealership for many years, but is now retired. One day his buddies friend came in, a mexican man with broken english. The guy was in dirty jeans, boots, and a t shirt. He came in and bought a new truck....cash. That day. Come to find out my dad's friend said that guy owns his own lawn care business and also that guy and his brother own some inflatable jumpy business for kids parties and these guys make probably deep into six figures profit.
So which is more intelligent. The girl with highly specific academic and subject specific expertise but is 250k in unpayable debt with a ****ty career, or the guy with broken english with 2 businesses, no debt and buys everything in cash.
So intelligence is so broad and over so many aspects of life that it only really determines one thing. Ability. To what really depends on too many factors to really find value in it. Also another factor to look at is time period. Intelligence directly applies to necessity. For example, we live in the information age. Intelligence to me in this current age would be the ability of discernment and application. Whereas someone in the Industrial Age would consider intelligence to be complex engineering and application en scale.
People are corruptible. Although I am not a catholic, I do like their outlook on the 7 deadly sins. They really show how people can be corrupted and enslaved, not by just material things, but their own vices and desires. This is a very prevalent topic today because we are seeing a result of some type of mass psychosis and people forfeiting their ability to think and discern in return for comfort and ease of ignorance.
Example 1: I know a woman who is a teacher (or professor?) that has her masters and was working towards her PhD. A family friend told me she had upwards 250k in student loans and yet made 60k a year. She was in her 30s and was also delivering pizza on the weekends.
Example 2: My dad worked for a dealership for many years, but is now retired. One day his buddies friend came in, a mexican man with broken english. The guy was in dirty jeans, boots, and a t shirt. He came in and bought a new truck....cash. That day. Come to find out my dad's friend said that guy owns his own lawn care business and also that guy and his brother own some inflatable jumpy business for kids parties and these guys make probably deep into six figures profit.
So which is more intelligent. The girl with highly specific academic and subject specific expertise but is 250k in unpayable debt with a ****ty career, or the guy with broken english with 2 businesses, no debt and buys everything in cash.
So intelligence is so broad and over so many aspects of life that it only really determines one thing. Ability. To what really depends on too many factors to really find value in it. Also another factor to look at is time period. Intelligence directly applies to necessity. For example, we live in the information age. Intelligence to me in this current age would be the ability of discernment and application. Whereas someone in the Industrial Age would consider intelligence to be complex engineering and application en scale.
People are corruptible. Although I am not a catholic, I do like their outlook on the 7 deadly sins. They really show how people can be corrupted and enslaved, not by just material things, but their own vices and desires. This is a very prevalent topic today because we are seeing a result of some type of mass psychosis and people forfeiting their ability to think and discern in return for comfort and ease of ignorance.
And as you say, if you can solve the most complex equation in 5 minutes, but you get a flat on the middle of the road and you can’t change it and have to stay hours there waiting for someone to help you, can you really consider yourself intelligent?
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