01-30-2026, 08:08 PM
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Somethin seriously wrong with math
I’m on a math kick because I just realized how math is the ultimate deception
In my quest of using/deep diving with the words “abstract” and “concrete” to point out deception within this matrix and glitch through the system
I started with countries and it ultimate lead me to math. Dead stop
The foundation of your math(choice of your axiom) is subjective. Based on or influenced by personal feelings, taste, or opinions.
This is a fact. It is subjective. And most don’t even know this
Now that you know this fact, since the foundation of your math is subjective(choice of your axiom) then that means to not FIRST learn this is subjective will generate bias within the masses towards your axiom you’re taught in
You are not first taught the foundation is subjective. You’re not even taught this in high school. This should be the first thing that is taught to not generate bias. There is mass pshycosis going on
Now this all ties in to concrete/abstract, and Terrence Howard but that’s for another post. First you need to understand the simple fact your maths foundation is subjective
In my quest of using/deep diving with the words “abstract” and “concrete” to point out deception within this matrix and glitch through the system
I started with countries and it ultimate lead me to math. Dead stop
The foundation of your math(choice of your axiom) is subjective. Based on or influenced by personal feelings, taste, or opinions.
This is a fact. It is subjective. And most don’t even know this
Now that you know this fact, since the foundation of your math is subjective(choice of your axiom) then that means to not FIRST learn this is subjective will generate bias within the masses towards your axiom you’re taught in
You are not first taught the foundation is subjective. You’re not even taught this in high school. This should be the first thing that is taught to not generate bias. There is mass pshycosis going on
Now this all ties in to concrete/abstract, and Terrence Howard but that’s for another post. First you need to understand the simple fact your maths foundation is subjective
01-30-2026, 08:12 PM
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I always thought the division symbol was a bit gay, good find OP
01-30-2026, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted By Zere0wn⏩
Funny you say this. It’s the exact opposite. The more you’re indoctrinated into said subjective axiom the more you won’t be able to see any of this and the more brainwashed you will be. Ie: decades of math learning in your axiom within your system/foundation
you are a dunning kruger
Someone like me who skipped the subjective axiom and went straight to outside the system is someone who can point these things out. I basically sped run through the abstract subjective bullshit
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Originally Posted By Gesten1⏩
Dunning Kruger detected
Funny you say this. It’s the exact opposite. The more you’re indoctrinated into said subjective axiom the more you won’t be able to see any of this and the more brainwashed you will be. Ie: decades of math learning in your axiom within your system/foundation
Someone like me who skipped the subjective axiom and went straight to outside the system is someone who can point these things out. I basically sped run through the abstract subjective bullshit
Someone like me who skipped the subjective axiom and went straight to outside the system is someone who can point these things out. I basically sped run through the abstract subjective bullshit
01-30-2026, 08:29 PM
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01-30-2026, 08:40 PM
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01-30-2026, 09:40 PM
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01-31-2026, 02:47 AM
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What is the % of regular everyday people into math who don’t know that the foundation of their math is subjective
I would say 95%+
That is terrifying. That is a problem. That explains everything. That is indoctrination with programmed bias. That is mass psychosis. It’s literally npc programming
This should be the single first thing you ever learn..
I would say 95%+
That is terrifying. That is a problem. That explains everything. That is indoctrination with programmed bias. That is mass psychosis. It’s literally npc programming
This should be the single first thing you ever learn..
01-31-2026, 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted By Gesten1⏩
In some sense it is subjective but it feels pretty natural and reasonable to me once you get it. Math is huge though. I don’t think anyone is imposing it on you, and even so, since it is subjective why don’t you pick your own definitions and show the math community how cool and interesting they are.
I’m on a math kick because I just realized how math is the ultimate deception
In my quest of using/deep diving with the words “abstract” and “concrete” to point out deception within this matrix and glitch through the system
I started with countries and it ultimate lead me to math. Dead stop
The foundation of your math(choice of your axiom) is subjective. Based on or influenced by personal feelings, taste, or opinions.
This is a fact. It is subjective. And most don’t even know this
Now that you know this fact, since the foundation of your math is subjective(choice of your axiom) then that means to not FIRST learn this is subjective will generate bias within the masses towards your axiom you’re taught in
You are not first taught the foundation is subjective. You’re not even taught this in high school. This should be the first thing that is taught to not generate bias. There is mass pshycosis going on
Now this all ties in to concrete/abstract, and Terrence Howard but that’s for another post. First you need to understand the simple fact your maths foundation is subjective
In my quest of using/deep diving with the words “abstract” and “concrete” to point out deception within this matrix and glitch through the system
I started with countries and it ultimate lead me to math. Dead stop
The foundation of your math(choice of your axiom) is subjective. Based on or influenced by personal feelings, taste, or opinions.
This is a fact. It is subjective. And most don’t even know this
Now that you know this fact, since the foundation of your math is subjective(choice of your axiom) then that means to not FIRST learn this is subjective will generate bias within the masses towards your axiom you’re taught in
You are not first taught the foundation is subjective. You’re not even taught this in high school. This should be the first thing that is taught to not generate bias. There is mass pshycosis going on
Now this all ties in to concrete/abstract, and Terrence Howard but that’s for another post. First you need to understand the simple fact your maths foundation is subjective
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01-31-2026, 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted By johnsorrow⏩
Terrence has done it but that’s for another thread
In some sense it is subjective but it feels pretty natural and reasonable to me once you get it. Math is huge though. I don’t think anyone is imposing it on you, and even so, since it is subjective why don’t you pick your own definitions and show the math community how cool and interesting they are.
I don’t think you understand axioms though from what you wrote. You are literally indoctrinated into their axiom and 95% of people do not know that axiom is subjective
If you’re not first told it is subjective you will naturally have bias towards the subjective axiom.. read above at last comment
true or false: someone who has not been immersed in or "well-educated" in a specific system, dogma, or set of axioms from birth (or early education) is often better positioned to see the outside of that system from an external vantage point than someone who has
01-31-2026, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted By Gesten1⏩
Math is similar to a game. If you want you can play along, but the participants needs to agree with the rules, otherwise what’s the point?
Terrence has done it but that’s for another thread
I don’t think you understand axioms though from what you wrote. You are literally indoctrinated into their axiom and 95% of people do not know that axiom is subjective
If you’re not first told it is subjective you will naturally have bias towards the subjective axiom.. read above at last comment
true or false: someone who has not been immersed in or "well-educated" in a specific system, dogma, or set of axioms from birth (or early education) is often better positioned to see the outside of that system from an external vantage point than someone who has
I don’t think you understand axioms though from what you wrote. You are literally indoctrinated into their axiom and 95% of people do not know that axiom is subjective
If you’re not first told it is subjective you will naturally have bias towards the subjective axiom.. read above at last comment
true or false: someone who has not been immersed in or "well-educated" in a specific system, dogma, or set of axioms from birth (or early education) is often better positioned to see the outside of that system from an external vantage point than someone who has
Game of natural numbers:
”0 is a natural number”
”Every number has a successor”
”0 is not the succesor of any natural number”
etc.
Terrence have issues with the game so he proposes new rules, but the game he proposes is not very fun, so few are interested. That is fine, Terrence has his own game.
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Originally Posted By johnsorrow⏩
You’re just too stupid to understand. Your small brain can’t comprehend that your axiom is subjective. Be big brained and realize that he’s thinking about another system that is completely different and completely useful but because it’s in another system it can’t be explained to you- you just will not and can not understand it. It’s too complex and complicated only people with less than a 2nd grade education understand and maybe even then it’s too late. 2nd is subjective though- the grade with children that have been in school for a short time only- through seasons since birth.
Math is similar to a game. If you want you can play along, but the participants needs to agree with the rules, otherwise what’s the point?
Game of natural numbers:
”0 is a natural number”
”Every number has a successor”
”0 is not the succesor of any natural number”
etc.
Terrence have issues with the game so he proposes new rules, but the game he proposes is not very fun, so few are interested. That is fine, Terrence has his own game.
Game of natural numbers:
”0 is a natural number”
”Every number has a successor”
”0 is not the succesor of any natural number”
etc.
Terrence have issues with the game so he proposes new rules, but the game he proposes is not very fun, so few are interested. That is fine, Terrence has his own game.
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01-31-2026, 07:42 AM
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01-31-2026, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted By johnsorrow⏩
This is why Terrence Howard’s math is the truth and what we have now is deception
Math is similar to a game. If you want you can play along, but the participants needs to agree with the rules, otherwise what’s the point?
Game of natural numbers:
”0 is a natural number”
”Every number has a successor”
”0 is not the succesor of any natural number”
etc.
Terrence have issues with the game so he proposes new rules, but the game he proposes is not very fun, so few are interested. That is fine, Terrence has his own game.
Game of natural numbers:
”0 is a natural number”
”Every number has a successor”
”0 is not the succesor of any natural number”
etc.
Terrence have issues with the game so he proposes new rules, but the game he proposes is not very fun, so few are interested. That is fine, Terrence has his own game.
abstract systems cannot find concrete truth outside their axiom, they can only find abstract subjective utility. Only concrete systems can find concrete truth outside their axiom and thats what terrence is aiming to do Masses are defending the subjective map. hes looking at the territory
he believes only real entities can be numbers not abstract and it’s also not addition.
-Addition: 1 and 1 > (1, 1) = 2 (two separate items counted together).
-His Multiplication: 1x1 > (1, 1) > > 2 (two items fused into one new item of value 2).You are battling against linguistic filters
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Originally Posted By johnsorrow⏩
This is a fair point TBH.
Math is similar to a game. If you want you can play along, but the participants needs to agree with the rules, otherwise what’s the point?
Game of natural numbers:
”0 is a natural number”
”Every number has a successor”
”0 is not the succesor of any natural number”
etc.
Terrence have issues with the game so he proposes new rules, but the game he proposes is not very fun, so few are interested. That is fine, Terrence has his own game.
Game of natural numbers:
”0 is a natural number”
”Every number has a successor”
”0 is not the succesor of any natural number”
etc.
Terrence have issues with the game so he proposes new rules, but the game he proposes is not very fun, so few are interested. That is fine, Terrence has his own game.
We do numbers in base 10 for example. But binary, 1s and 0s, is perfectly valid too.
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Originally Posted By Gesten1⏩
So stop using our axiom to describe his math.
If truly truly want to know why Terrence axiom is truth I will explain but most won’t understand
abstract systems cannot find concrete truth outside their axiom, they can only find abstract subjective utility. Only concrete systems can find concrete truth outside their axiom and thats what terrence is aiming to do Masses are defending the subjective map. hes looking at the territoryhe believes only real entities can be numbers not abstract and it’s also not addition. -Addition: 1 and 1 > (1, 1) = 2 (two separate items counted together).-His Multiplication: 1x1 > (1, 1) > > 2 (two items fused into one new item of value 2).You are battling against linguistic filters
abstract systems cannot find concrete truth outside their axiom, they can only find abstract subjective utility. Only concrete systems can find concrete truth outside their axiom and thats what terrence is aiming to do Masses are defending the subjective map. hes looking at the territoryhe believes only real entities can be numbers not abstract and it’s also not addition. -Addition: 1 and 1 > (1, 1) = 2 (two separate items counted together).-His Multiplication: 1x1 > (1, 1) > > 2 (two items fused into one new item of value 2).You are battling against linguistic filters
Sounds like he’s still in the standard axiom and it also sounds like he could make use of a math system we call algebra
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Originally Posted By johnsorrow⏩
He just wants his lifting PRs to count as 2 reps.
Math is similar to a game. If you want you can play along, but the participants needs to agree with the rules, otherwise what’s the point?
Game of natural numbers:
”0 is a natural number”
”Every number has a successor”
”0 is not the succesor of any natural number”
etc.
Terrence have issues with the game so he proposes new rules, but the game he proposes is not very fun, so few are interested. That is fine, Terrence has his own game.
Game of natural numbers:
”0 is a natural number”
”Every number has a successor”
”0 is not the succesor of any natural number”
etc.
Terrence have issues with the game so he proposes new rules, but the game he proposes is not very fun, so few are interested. That is fine, Terrence has his own game.
1 set of 1 rep = 2
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Originally Posted By johnsorrow⏩
Math is similar to a game. If you want you can play along, but the participants needs to agree with the rules, otherwise what’s the point?
Game of natural numbers:
”0 is a natural number”
”Every number has a successor”
”0 is not the succesor of any natural number”
etc.
Terrence have issues with the game so he proposes new rules, but the game he proposes is not very fun, so few are interested. That is fine, Terrence has his own game.
Game of natural numbers:
”0 is a natural number”
”Every number has a successor”
”0 is not the succesor of any natural number”
etc.
Terrence have issues with the game so he proposes new rules, but the game he proposes is not very fun, so few are interested. That is fine, Terrence has his own game.
Originally Posted By MichelleLnne⏩
You’re just too stupid to understand. Your small brain can’t comprehend that your axiom is subjective. Be big brained and realize that he’s thinking about another system that is completely different and completely useful but because it’s in another system it can’t be explained to you- you just will not and can not understand it. It’s too complex and complicated only people with less than a 2nd grade education understand and maybe even then it’s too late. 2nd is subjective though- the grade with children that have been in school for a short time only- through seasons since birth.
Originally Posted By Gesten1⏩
This is why Terrence Howard’s math is the truth and what we have now is deception
abstract systems cannot find concrete truth outside their axiom, they can only find abstract subjective utility. Only concrete systems can find concrete truth outside their axiom and thats what terrence is aiming to do Masses are defending the subjective map. hes looking at the territory
he believes only real entities can be numbers not abstract and it’s also not addition.
-Addition: 1 and 1 > (1, 1) = 2 (two separate items counted together).
-His Multiplication: 1x1 > (1, 1) > > 2 (two items fused into one new item of value 2).You are battling against linguistic filters
abstract systems cannot find concrete truth outside their axiom, they can only find abstract subjective utility. Only concrete systems can find concrete truth outside their axiom and thats what terrence is aiming to do Masses are defending the subjective map. hes looking at the territory
he believes only real entities can be numbers not abstract and it’s also not addition.
-Addition: 1 and 1 > (1, 1) = 2 (two separate items counted together).
-His Multiplication: 1x1 > (1, 1) > > 2 (two items fused into one new item of value 2).You are battling against linguistic filters
Originally Posted By monster0ultra⏩
This is a fair point TBH.
We do numbers in base 10 for example. But binary, 1s and 0s, is perfectly valid too.
We do numbers in base 10 for example. But binary, 1s and 0s, is perfectly valid too.

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Originally Posted By johnsorrow⏩
So it’s not a new axiom it’s just relabeling? Maybe I think too high level with what an axiom is? My brains starting to hurt but it sounds like he’s still in the standard axiom? I do start wondering if it’s just too big brained for me to understand.
Math is similar to a game. If you want you can play along, but the participants needs to agree with the rules, otherwise what’s the point?
Game of natural numbers:
”0 is a natural number”
”Every number has a successor”
”0 is not the succesor of any natural number”
etc.
Terrence have issues with the game so he proposes new rules, but the game he proposes is not very fun, so few are interested. That is fine, Terrence has his own game.
Game of natural numbers:
”0 is a natural number”
”Every number has a successor”
”0 is not the succesor of any natural number”
etc.
Terrence have issues with the game so he proposes new rules, but the game he proposes is not very fun, so few are interested. That is fine, Terrence has his own game.
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Originally Posted By monster0ultra⏩
It still falls in our math rules - just a different way to express it.
This is a fair point TBH.
We do numbers in base 10 for example. But binary, 1s and 0s, is perfectly valid too.
We do numbers in base 10 for example. But binary, 1s and 0s, is perfectly valid too.
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Originally Posted By Gesten1⏩
Math does not need to be concrete or have utility. It does not even need to be internally consistent (i.e. free of contradictions), but those ”games” are usually not very interesting, so they get few players.
This is why Terrence Howard’s math is the truth and what we have now is deception
abstract systems cannot find concrete truth outside their axiom, they can only find abstract subjective utility. Only concrete systems can find concrete truth outside their axiom and thats what terrence is aiming to do Masses are defending the subjective map. hes looking at the territory
he believes only real entities can be numbers not abstract and it’s also not addition.
-Addition: 1 and 1 > (1, 1) = 2 (two separate items counted together).
-His Multiplication: 1x1 > (1, 1) > > 2 (two items fused into one new item of value 2).You are battling against linguistic filters
abstract systems cannot find concrete truth outside their axiom, they can only find abstract subjective utility. Only concrete systems can find concrete truth outside their axiom and thats what terrence is aiming to do Masses are defending the subjective map. hes looking at the territory
he believes only real entities can be numbers not abstract and it’s also not addition.
-Addition: 1 and 1 > (1, 1) = 2 (two separate items counted together).
-His Multiplication: 1x1 > (1, 1) > > 2 (two items fused into one new item of value 2).You are battling against linguistic filters
However, having both utility and being internally consistent is good if you want to attract players. If Terrence wants people to listen to him and play his game, he should make an effort to demonstrate both.
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Originally Posted By MichelleLnne⏩
Well, whatever it is, it is not compatible with standard math. These types of ideas or interpretations are not new or uncommon. Ask any math professor, and he will attest to receiving weekly emails from people who have reached the conclusion that math is flawed, inconsistent, etc. The sole reason Terrence has reached the mainstream is due to his fame, not his ideas.
So it’s not a new axiom it’s just relabeling? Maybe I think too high level with what an axiom is? My brains starting to hurt but it sounds like he’s still in the standard axiom? I do start wondering if it’s just too big brained for me to understand.
01-31-2026, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted By johnsorrow⏩
There is nothing mainstream about Terrence Howard. 99.99999% of the “internet” hates him and there’s an obvious smear campaign with astroturfing bots
Well, whatever it is, it is not compatible with standard math. These types of ideas or interpretations are not new or uncommon. Ask any math professor, and he will attest to receiving weekly emails from people who have reached the conclusion that math is flawed, inconsistent, etc. The sole reason Terrence has reached the mainstream is due to his fame, not his ideas.
There is literally not 1 place you can discuss terryology without getting attacked and people absolutely losing their shit it’s bizzare
You type the words “Terrence” on Reddit in your post and insta 30 downdoots negative 9%. It’s so fukin wierd
If you question math on Reddit straight -100 downdoots + astroturfing bot comments in seconds
If you point out the foundation of your math is subjective(fact) straight -100 downdoots in 90 seconds
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Originally Posted By Gesten1⏩
It does not matter.
There is nothing mainstream about Terrence Howard. 99.99999% of the “internet” hates him and there’s an obvious smear campaign with astroturfing bots
There is literally not 1 place you can discuss terryology without getting attacked and people absolutely losing their shit it’s bizzare
You type the words “Terrence” on Reddit in your post and insta 30 downdoots negative 9%. It’s so fukin wierd
If you question math on Reddit straight -100 downdoots + astroturfing bot comments in seconds
If you point out the foundation of your math is subjective(fact) straight -100 downdoots in 90 seconds
There is literally not 1 place you can discuss terryology without getting attacked and people absolutely losing their shit it’s bizzare
You type the words “Terrence” on Reddit in your post and insta 30 downdoots negative 9%. It’s so fukin wierd
If you question math on Reddit straight -100 downdoots + astroturfing bot comments in seconds
If you point out the foundation of your math is subjective(fact) straight -100 downdoots in 90 seconds
If "Terryology" wants a wider reach in the math or science community, it would be wise to follow the historical path of new mathematical ideas: (1) make the rules simple and understandable, (2) demonstrate no internal inconsistencies, and (3) optionally, but as history has shown, demonstrate some utility.
I'm not aware of any new mathematical framework that began with internet clout or social media upvotes.
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