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05-23-2026, 05:22 PM
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It is legal to speak about violence against the government
As long as it does meet the legal criteria for a true threat, which is more relaxed than you might think.
Supreme Court Case of Watts V. United Stated (1969) overturned a conviction of man who stated "If they ever make me carry a rifle the first man I want to get in my sights is L.B.J. (President Lyndon B. Johnson)" at an anti-war protest.
Cohen V. California acknowledges citizens will be emotional and expressive when exercising first amendment rights, and that profane or offensive words cannot be criminalized.
The legal standard to meet a true threat includes clearly reckless intention, "reasonable person standard" meaning an objective observer would believe that the threat is serious, likely to be carried out, and not hyperbole or a joke, they must be specific and willful, and convey a means and intention to carry out the act. It must be intended to invoke fear of physical safety. (Counterman V. Colorado)
You can discuss hypothetical situations of violence against the government. We can talk about movies, or historical examples of violence against the government. We are also allowed to talk about hypothetical scenarios we make up, as long as it does not meet the criteria of a true threat.
Supreme Court Case Houston V. Hill really gives some protections to the people here. It acknowledges law enforcement officers need to have a high degree of restraint and be able to tolerate verbal challenges. It makes it clear a citizen can interrupt a cop all they want.
There is a legal defense if you tell a cop "You are too much of a pussy to take off that gun and badge, otherwise I would mop the fucking floor with you."
Your statement is validated as hypothetical by conditions set forth in the statement. The cop is literally always going to hide behind their gun and their badge. It is explicitly a hypothetical situation not meant to convey an immediate and direct threat. Very similar to Watts V US.
I intend to say this to a cop one day, after citing the specific case law of course. You can't sue for civil rights violations unless you educate them first, and I imagine my rights will be violated in the form of unlawful arrest and possibly excessive force as an egotistical cop might actually believe that is justification to use any force.
God damn I love the first amendment. It is almost like we actually do have some freedoms.
Supreme Court Case of Watts V. United Stated (1969) overturned a conviction of man who stated "If they ever make me carry a rifle the first man I want to get in my sights is L.B.J. (President Lyndon B. Johnson)" at an anti-war protest.
Cohen V. California acknowledges citizens will be emotional and expressive when exercising first amendment rights, and that profane or offensive words cannot be criminalized.
The legal standard to meet a true threat includes clearly reckless intention, "reasonable person standard" meaning an objective observer would believe that the threat is serious, likely to be carried out, and not hyperbole or a joke, they must be specific and willful, and convey a means and intention to carry out the act. It must be intended to invoke fear of physical safety. (Counterman V. Colorado)
You can discuss hypothetical situations of violence against the government. We can talk about movies, or historical examples of violence against the government. We are also allowed to talk about hypothetical scenarios we make up, as long as it does not meet the criteria of a true threat.
Supreme Court Case Houston V. Hill really gives some protections to the people here. It acknowledges law enforcement officers need to have a high degree of restraint and be able to tolerate verbal challenges. It makes it clear a citizen can interrupt a cop all they want.
There is a legal defense if you tell a cop "You are too much of a pussy to take off that gun and badge, otherwise I would mop the fucking floor with you."
Your statement is validated as hypothetical by conditions set forth in the statement. The cop is literally always going to hide behind their gun and their badge. It is explicitly a hypothetical situation not meant to convey an immediate and direct threat. Very similar to Watts V US.
I intend to say this to a cop one day, after citing the specific case law of course. You can't sue for civil rights violations unless you educate them first, and I imagine my rights will be violated in the form of unlawful arrest and possibly excessive force as an egotistical cop might actually believe that is justification to use any force.
God damn I love the first amendment. It is almost like we actually do have some freedoms.
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05-23-2026, 05:30 PM
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- Papi_Chulo
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Does it matter?
It's free for them to arrest you, charge you and you have to waste your own time and money so even if you get charged dropped or God forbid go all the way to trial and get aquitted, what did you even "win"?
Cause they ain't losing any sleep if they drop the charges later on they haven't lost anything
It's free for them to arrest you, charge you and you have to waste your own time and money so even if you get charged dropped or God forbid go all the way to trial and get aquitted, what did you even "win"?
Cause they ain't losing any sleep if they drop the charges later on they haven't lost anything
Send her to Papi Chulos
05-23-2026, 05:32 PM
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05-23-2026, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Papi_Chulo⏩
Their qualified immunity will be revoked, and they will be open to criminal charges and civil litigation. The government actually takes civil rights violations seriously if you pursue them.
Does it matter?
It's free for them to arrest you, charge you and you have to waste your own time and money so even if you get charged dropped or God forbid go all the way to trial and get aquitted, what did you even "win"?
Cause they ain't losing any sleep if they drop the charges later on they haven't lost anything
It's free for them to arrest you, charge you and you have to waste your own time and money so even if you get charged dropped or God forbid go all the way to trial and get aquitted, what did you even "win"?
Cause they ain't losing any sleep if they drop the charges later on they haven't lost anything
Happens every day.
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