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06-12-2026, 04:32 AM
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Wealthier miscers, what's stopping you from getting citizenship in Switzerland (or another low tax country)?
Specifically chose Switzerland because it would be optimal for my needs but there are other low-tax havens like Singapore, Panama, etc.
Switzerland has 0% capital gains tax and no estate tax either.
Switzerland has 0% capital gains tax and no estate tax either.
06-12-2026, 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted By MiscDetective⏩
Getting Swiss citizenship is extremely difficult and is widely considered one of the most challenging naturalization processes in Europe.
Switzerland
The standard timeline requires 10 years of continuous residency, including holding a permanent Settlement C permit for at least one year prior to application. The process is uniquely complex due to Switzerland's federal structure, meaning approval must be granted at three distinct levels: federal, cantonal, and communal.
Each municipality can set its own integration criteria, making rural areas significantly harder to navigate than large cities.
Key barriers to entry include:
Strict Integration Requirements: Applicants must demonstrate high-level language proficiency (B1 speaking, A2 writing) and deep knowledge of Swiss history, politics, and culture.
Financial Stability: You must prove you are self-sufficient and have not relied on social assistance for the three years preceding your application.
No Investment Pathway: Unlike many other countries, Switzerland does not offer citizenship by investment or financial contribution.
Lengthy Processing: Even after meeting all criteria, the application review typically takes 2 to 3 years.
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06-12-2026, 04:55 AM
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The answer is that taxes in the US really aren't that big of a deal once you already have wealth. The investment gains typically more than make up for it. The US is still the best place to achieve wealth and the best place to keep it.
06-12-2026, 05:02 AM
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If it were that great most billionaires would be doing it
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06-12-2026, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
Exposed again as a LARPer. Gift and estate taxes in the US are 40% at the federal level and some states add even more. The US also has taxes on capital gains and dividends. Worst of all, interest is taxed at ordinary rates.
The answer is that taxes in the US really aren't that big of a deal once you already have wealth. The investment gains typically more than make up for it. The US is still the best place to achieve wealth and the best place to keep it.
Originally Posted By N0rds⏩
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Getting Swiss citizenship is extremely difficult and is widely
considered one of the most challenging naturalization processes in
Europe.
The standard timeline requires 10 years of continuous residency,
including holding a permanent Settlement C permit for at least one year
prior to application. The process is uniquely complex due to
Switzerland's federal structure, meaning approval must be granted at
three distinct levels: federal, cantonal, and communal.
Each municipality can set its own integration criteria, making rural areas significantly harder to navigate than large cities.
Key barriers to entry include:
Strict Integration Requirements: Applicants must demonstrate
high-level language proficiency (B1 speaking, A2 writing) and deep
knowledge of Swiss history, politics, and culture.
Financial Stability: You must prove you are self-sufficient and have
not relied on social assistance for the three years preceding your
application.
No Investment Pathway: Unlike many other countries, Switzerland does
not offer citizenship by investment or financial contribution.
Lengthy Processing: Even after meeting all criteria, the application review typically takes 2 to 3 years.
considered one of the most challenging naturalization processes in
Europe.
The standard timeline requires 10 years of continuous residency,
including holding a permanent Settlement C permit for at least one year
prior to application. The process is uniquely complex due to
Switzerland's federal structure, meaning approval must be granted at
three distinct levels: federal, cantonal, and communal.
Each municipality can set its own integration criteria, making rural areas significantly harder to navigate than large cities.
Key barriers to entry include:
Strict Integration Requirements: Applicants must demonstrate
high-level language proficiency (B1 speaking, A2 writing) and deep
knowledge of Swiss history, politics, and culture.
Financial Stability: You must prove you are self-sufficient and have
not relied on social assistance for the three years preceding your
application.
No Investment Pathway: Unlike many other countries, Switzerland does
not offer citizenship by investment or financial contribution.
Lengthy Processing: Even after meeting all criteria, the application review typically takes 2 to 3 years.
No shit that anything worth doing is difficult. However most people who
achieve significant wealth are generally hard working and oriented
toward preserving their wealth. Learning a new language or waiting 10
years should not be massively difficult.
Originally Posted By SuperHercules⏩
Switzerland is populated with billionaires — there’s one for every 80,000 people. As of 2022, the country was home to an estimated 110 billionaires with a
If it were that great most billionaires would be doing it
combined wealth of $338 billion, outranking other super-rich hotspots
such as Saudi Arabia, Singapore and the United Arab Emirates. https://www.cnbc.com/video/2024/02/05/why-is-switzerland-home-to-so-many-billionaires.html
Switzerland has more billionaires per capita than any other nation except tiny city-states like Hong Kong and Singapore.
06-12-2026, 05:20 AM
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Not wealthy but do not have to worry about money.
I’m exploring an economic development program in Portugal where people with passive income can immigrate there for pretty cheap. They set up bank accounts and visa, etc.
I don’t think a lot of people know this, but America is one of the only countries in the world that still taxes its citizens even if they live in another country.
You can’t escape taxes just by moving. You have develop a legal structure to protect you finances.
I’m exploring an economic development program in Portugal where people with passive income can immigrate there for pretty cheap. They set up bank accounts and visa, etc.
I don’t think a lot of people know this, but America is one of the only countries in the world that still taxes its citizens even if they live in another country.
You can’t escape taxes just by moving. You have develop a legal structure to protect you finances.
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06-12-2026, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
Yes it's actually extremely fucked up. You have to renounce your citizenship.
Not wealthy but do not have to worry about money.
I’m exploring an economic development program in Portugal where people with passive income can immigrate there for pretty cheap. They set up bank accounts and visa, etc.
I don’t think a lot of people know this, but America is one of the only countries in the world that still taxes its citizens even if they live in another country.
You can’t escape taxes just by moving. You have develop a legal structure to protect you finances.
I’m exploring an economic development program in Portugal where people with passive income can immigrate there for pretty cheap. They set up bank accounts and visa, etc.
I don’t think a lot of people know this, but America is one of the only countries in the world that still taxes its citizens even if they live in another country.
You can’t escape taxes just by moving. You have develop a legal structure to protect you finances.
A lot of people think the us has "low taxes" but it's actually middle of the road or even slightly higher than global tax rates.
06-12-2026, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
The cartel made up of fat white HR women and lousy IRS collections backed by the us military want their cut nyguh. Blue meth? How about green meth
Not wealthy but do not have to worry about money.
I’m exploring an economic development program in Portugal where people with passive income can immigrate there for pretty cheap. They set up bank accounts and visa, etc.
I don’t think a lot of people know this, but America is one of the only countries in the world that still taxes its citizens even if they live in another country.
You can’t escape taxes just by moving. You have develop a legal structure to protect you finances.
I’m exploring an economic development program in Portugal where people with passive income can immigrate there for pretty cheap. They set up bank accounts and visa, etc.
I don’t think a lot of people know this, but America is one of the only countries in the world that still taxes its citizens even if they live in another country.
You can’t escape taxes just by moving. You have develop a legal structure to protect you finances.
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06-12-2026, 05:30 AM
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Once you retire capital gains tax is pretty minimal. Switzerland also has a wealth tax
For example if you have 2.5 mil the 4% rule suggests you can take out $100k
In the US the first 50k isn’t taxed and the next 50k is taxed at 15% which = $7,500
In Switzerland, no gains tax but a wealth tax of 0.5% on 2.5 mil and that = $12,500
Plus Switzerland has a higher cost of living than many places you can live in the US
For example if you have 2.5 mil the 4% rule suggests you can take out $100k
In the US the first 50k isn’t taxed and the next 50k is taxed at 15% which = $7,500
In Switzerland, no gains tax but a wealth tax of 0.5% on 2.5 mil and that = $12,500
Plus Switzerland has a higher cost of living than many places you can live in the US
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06-12-2026, 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted By MiscDetective⏩
Yes it's actually extremely fucked up. You have to renounce your citizenship.
A lot of people think the us has "low taxes" but it's actually middle of the road or even slightly higher than global tax rates.
A lot of people think the us has "low taxes" but it's actually middle of the road or even slightly higher than global tax rates.
Originally Posted By Jughead96⏩
The problem I have with taxes isn’t how high they are, it is how they are used.
The cartel made up of fat white HR women and lousy IRS collections backed by the us military want their cut nyguh. Blue meth? How about green meth
The government literally just funnels our money to billionaires while taking a little off the top for themselves.
If our money went to us instead of the wealthy elite, we wouldn’t need a government, or wealthy elite.
Some people suggest that is literally the point.
It’s me, I’m some people.
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
I guess that explains why rich Americans don't leave their shithole
Not wealthy but do not have to worry about money.
I’m exploring an economic development program in Portugal where people with passive income can immigrate there for pretty cheap. They set up bank accounts and visa, etc.
I don’t think a lot of people know this, but America is one of the only countries in the world that still taxes its citizens even if they live in another country.
You can’t escape taxes just by moving. You have develop a legal structure to protect you finances.
I’m exploring an economic development program in Portugal where people with passive income can immigrate there for pretty cheap. They set up bank accounts and visa, etc.
I don’t think a lot of people know this, but America is one of the only countries in the world that still taxes its citizens even if they live in another country.
You can’t escape taxes just by moving. You have develop a legal structure to protect you finances.
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06-12-2026, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
neither of your examples ($2.5m or $100k passive income) is wealthy.
Once you retire capital gains tax is pretty minimal. Switzerland also has a wealth tax
For example if you have 2.5 mil the 4% rule suggests you can take out $100k
In the US the first 50k isn’t taxed and the next 50k is taxed at 15% which = $7,500
In Switzerland, no gains tax but a wealth tax of 0.5% on 2.5 mil and that = $12,500
Plus Switzerland has a higher cost of living than many places you can live in the US
For example if you have 2.5 mil the 4% rule suggests you can take out $100k
In the US the first 50k isn’t taxed and the next 50k is taxed at 15% which = $7,500
In Switzerland, no gains tax but a wealth tax of 0.5% on 2.5 mil and that = $12,500
Plus Switzerland has a higher cost of living than many places you can live in the US
10x those numbers and you start to get to a level where lower-level private bankers might return your calls
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Originally Posted By SuperHercules⏩
I mean, rich people don’t pay taxes in America, so that def wouldn’t be a reason for them to leave.
I guess that explains why rich Americans don't leave their shithole
They have the legal structure to protect their assets anywhere and tax law is written for and by them.
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
I guess that answers OP's question then
I mean, rich people don’t pay taxes in America, so that def wouldn’t be a reason for them to leave.
They have the legal structure to protect their assets anywhere and tax law is written for and by them.
They have the legal structure to protect their assets anywhere and tax law is written for and by them.
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Originally Posted By MiscDetective⏩
Lol, this is nonsense. You'll def get calls back with a NW of $2.5m
neither of your examples ($2.5m or $100k passive income) is wealthy.
10x those numbers and you start to get to a level where lower-level private bankers might return your calls
10x those numbers and you start to get to a level where lower-level private bankers might return your calls
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Originally Posted By MiscDetective⏩
You do realize it’s an example and one that’s FAVORABLE for your Switzerland idea since they have a WEALTH tax
neither of your examples ($2.5m or $100k passive income) is wealthy.
10x those numbers and you start to get to a level where lower-level private bankers might return your calls
10x those numbers and you start to get to a level where lower-level private bankers might return your calls
God you’re fucking stupid. But fine let’s do it your way
$50 mil worth now at a 0.5% tax rate equals 250k tax
$500k capital gains pulled in America will equal $67,500 tax
Congrats you’re a fuck wit who played himself and couldn’t do the math enough to shut the fuck up for an example that was intentionally played in his favor.
Want me to do this example with billions of dollars next or has that low IQ brain of your finally learned something?
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06-12-2026, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
Your numbers don't make any sense. They ignore progressive tax rates, NIIT, the fact that wealth taxes in Switzerland are levied by different cantons (states) and vary considerably.
You do realize it’s an example and one that’s FAVORABLE for your Switzerland idea since they have a WEALTH tax
God you’re fucking stupid. But fine let’s do it your way
$50 mil worth now at a 0.5% tax rate equals 250k tax
$500k capital gains pulled in America will equal $67,500 tax
Congrats you’re a fuck wit who played himself and couldn’t do the math enough to shut the fuck up for an example that was intentionally played in his favor.
Want me to do this example with billions of dollars next or has that low IQ brain of your finally learned something?
God you’re fucking stupid. But fine let’s do it your way
$50 mil worth now at a 0.5% tax rate equals 250k tax
$500k capital gains pulled in America will equal $67,500 tax
Congrats you’re a fuck wit who played himself and couldn’t do the math enough to shut the fuck up for an example that was intentionally played in his favor.
Want me to do this example with billions of dollars next or has that low IQ brain of your finally learned something?
$500k in capital gains does not map to $50M in wealth unless you invested in a very specific way and made very big trade-offs to do that and I have to believe you knew this and intentionally tanked the number to make your comparison more favorable.
For example $50M invested in a 60/40 stock bond portfolio (4% bond interest, 1% stock capital gains as dividends and must be recognized that year) would map to
$20,000,000*.04*(.37+.038) = $326,400 tax on the bond portion (ignores progressive rates, includes NIIT)
$30,000,000*.01*(.20+.038) = $155,652 tax on the stock portion's unavoidable dividends
Resulting in total tax of $482,052, nearly twice that of Switzerland (your example of $50m taxed at 0.5% = $250,000 tax). The US scenario also assumes a totally passive approach whereas in Switzerland you could trade and recognize gains freely without incurring further taxes.
Now that ignores the progressive tax rates (which don't matter much once you reach that level of income) but it also ignores the fact that numerous Swiss cantons have wealth tax rates around 0.3% instead of the 0.5% you quoted. And it also ignores state taxes.
Or you can just google which country taxes its rich people more.
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No one here is wealthy enough for that. I'd even go as far as to say that no one here is wealthy at all.
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06-12-2026, 06:53 AM
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We've been looking at this for a few years now.
We were going to get dual citizenship in Italy but after Trump took office the Italian Gov started putting restrictions on Americans.
Both my wife's great grandparents immigrated from Sicily.
I think it was 4 generations and you were able to get citizenship, they took it down to 2.
But this was mostly for travel and GTFO purposes, not tax.
We were going to get dual citizenship in Italy but after Trump took office the Italian Gov started putting restrictions on Americans.
Both my wife's great grandparents immigrated from Sicily.
I think it was 4 generations and you were able to get citizenship, they took it down to 2.
But this was mostly for travel and GTFO purposes, not tax.
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Wincel's LARP is as a military pilot and even after a career like that, the lucrative path is security clearance needing jobs. Yet he's talking about getting a Swiss bank account. LOL.
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Originally Posted By monster0ultra⏩
Nice troll job, I almost responded seriously
Wincel's LARP is as a military pilot and even after a career like that, the lucrative path is security clearance needing jobs. Yet he's talking about getting a Swiss bank account. LOL.
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It's wild how in 1980 there were only about a dozen billionares in the whole world, and now there are over 1000. Even if you correct for inflation, you are talking about 100's of billionares over $5B.
I don't think it's always a bad thing. What retards don't understand about these people is it's net worth, meaning they own assets and businesses so it's all tied up. They think they swim in rooms of money like Scrooge McDuck.
I don't think it's always a bad thing. What retards don't understand about these people is it's net worth, meaning they own assets and businesses so it's all tied up. They think they swim in rooms of money like Scrooge McDuck.
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