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post 1518595201 09-06-2017, 10:19 AM
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Anyone have an E-bike?

Just ordered a Rad Rover e-bike which gets great reviews and looks like a ton O fun. Will do a short review once I get to try it out. E bikes in general are becoming very popular for easy to see reasons. My Trek bicycle cost more than this thing, so if it's all it appears to be and the rave reviews true, it's a bargain I'd say.

https://www.radpowerbikes.com/produc...ant=1121017969

Another than gets good reviews is the Sonders which has more models and lower prices:

https://sondors.com

Anyone have experience with a purpose built e bike?

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I personally have no experience with e-bikes (been a traditional cyclists (road & mtn) all my life), but I'm truly confused about the fat tires on it. With electronic motors, I'd curious why they would utilize a fat tire. If anything, you would want to reduce road friction, and rotational weight to save power. I'm sure the fat tires will smoothen out the ride, but I don't think the trade-off is worth it.

I'd be curious on your review of it.
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Did an article for a magazine interviewing one of the guys behind Pedego, which is a purpose built E-Bike.

They gave me one to ride around on for the day - fun as CHIT, you're going to love it. They have some advantages over the attachment style kits, since some (most?) companies build the components into the frame to make it more theft resistant.
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Originally Posted By Tuksonrider
I personally have no experience with e-bikes (been a traditional cyclists (road & mtn) all my life), but I'm truly confused about the fat tires on it. With electronic motors, I'd curious why they would utilize a fat tire. If anything, you would want to reduce road friction, and rotational weight to save power. I'm sure the fat tires will smoothen out the ride, but I don't think the trade-off is worth it.

I'd be curious on your review of it.
Yeah I don't understand this. Surely this heavy thing isn't going to be used offroad? Maybe it is to be more motorcycle-like due to higher speeds and weight?

E-bikes are going to be huge over here because despite the weatherm driving to work/train station is all but impossible/unaffordable now due to ever increasing population density.
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Did an article for a magazine interviewing one of the guys behind Pedego, which is a purpose built E-Bike.

They gave me one to ride around on for the day - fun as CHIT, you're going to love it. They have some advantages over the attachment style kits, since some (most?) companies build the components into the frame to make it more theft resistant.
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I've ridden that exact one op.

It's fun! Lvl 5 assists if you barely touch the pedal you're going 20.
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Originally Posted By MrBourbon
Did an article for a magazine interviewing one of the guys behind Pedego, which is a purpose built E-Bike.

They gave me one to ride around on for the day - fun as CHIT, you're going to love it. They have some advantages over the attachment style kits, since some (most?) companies build the components into the frame to make it more theft resistant.
Originally Posted By MrBourbon
Did an article for a magazine interviewing one of the guys behind Pedego, which is a purpose built E-Bike.

They gave me one to ride around on for the day - fun as CHIT, you're going to love it. They have some advantages over the attachment style kits, since some (most?) companies build the components into the frame to make it more theft resistant.
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nah I use my heart/lungs/leg to shred it up. If I wanted motor I'd buy motorcycle.
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Originally Posted By soaponarope1
Even more thrilling to read the second time.
Just you wait until my potato posts it for a third time, *******.

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Originally Posted By Tuksonrider
I personally have no experience with e-bikes (been a traditional cyclists (road & mtn) all my life), but I'm truly confused about the fat tires on it. With electronic motors, I'd curious why they would utilize a fat tire. If anything, you would want to reduce road friction, and rotational weight to save power. I'm sure the fat tires will smoothen out the ride, but I don't think the trade-off is worth it.

I'd be curious on your review of it.
Fat tires give far more options and a softer ride, and yes, used off road by many. Tons of power and tork. Me, i wanna take it on the beach as many do and human legs just can't generate the power. They make them with thin tires also for those who just plan to use on hard top for commuting, etc. See links for thin tire versions, but everyone I spoke to told me the fat tire version is the way to go. I think 30-40 miles on a single charge will cover me just fine.
Originally Posted By MrBourbon
Did an article for a magazine interviewing one of the guys behind Pedego, which is a purpose built E-Bike.

They gave me one to ride around on for the day - fun as CHIT, you're going to love it. They have some advantages over the attachment style kits, since some (most?) companies build the components into the frame to make it more theft resistant.
I'd day they piss all over anything simply attached to a bike, one being way more power, range, options, etc. Personally never has an interest in poverty retro kit on my bike.
Originally Posted By zknarc
Yeah I don't understand this. Surely this heavy thing isn't going to be used offroad? Maybe it is to be more motorcycle-like due to higher speeds and weight?

E-bikes are going to be huge over here because despite the weatherm driving to work/train station is all but impossible/unaffordable now due to ever increasing population density.
See vids and articles. The models like the Rad and top of the line Sonders with real power and go pretty much anywhere and do it all day.
Originally Posted By eltoro24
I've ridden that exact one op.

It's fun! Lvl 5 assists if you barely touch the pedal you're going 20.
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nah I use my heart/lungs/leg to shred it up. If I wanted motor I'd buy motorcycle.
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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN
nah I use my heart/lungs/leg to shred it up. If I wanted motor I'd buy motorcycle.
That was one of the questions I asked the guy in the interview. Besides the obvious benefits to people with heart/movement challenges, he had two pretty good reasons to use an e-bike:

*If you just use it on hills etc, you're able to remove challenging sections of the ride (if you want) and just focus on enjoying yourself
*You can ride further, since you don't have to worry about saving enough energy for the ride back - can let the bike handle it.
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That's pretty cheap for an e-bike. Most decent ones cost twice that. I'd have questions about the durability of the product. Decent ebikes have the powerplant in the bottom bracket and as such have customer frame designs. This is a bolt on to a standard bike frame. A lot of compromises are made as a result.

Also this isn't really an e-bike as it has throttle controls. It may very well be considered a motorized vehicle like a motorcycle or moped and face the same restrictions. If the bike requires you to pedal for the motor to kick in then it's generally considered an e-bike. You might need to check local laws to see where you can legally ride this thing.

Personally, I say buy a real e-bike even though they are $3k if not double that. Haibikes has some decent ones otherwise I'd just go with a Specialized Levo which I have ridden and enjoyed.
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Just ordered this for my son. Does 14 miles on one charge.

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Originally Posted By BuildUpNow
That's pretty cheap for an e-bike. Most decent ones cost twice that. I'd have questions about the durability of the product. Decent ebikes have the powerplant in the bottom bracket and as such have customer frame designs. This is a bolt on to a standard bike frame. A lot of compromises are made as a result.

Also this isn't really an e-bike as it has throttle controls. It may very well be considered a motorized vehicle like a motorcycle or moped and face the same restrictions. If the bike requires you to pedal for the motor to kick in then it's generally considered an e-bike. You might need to check local laws to see where you can legally ride this thing.

Personally, I say buy a real e-bike even though they are $3k if not double that. Haibikes has some decent ones otherwise I'd just go with a Specialized Levo which I have ridden and enjoyed.
It's an ebike just would be considered a class 2 because it has a throttle. But it's limited to 20mph so it's allowed to go anywhere a regular bike can go. Minus some dirt trails.

The better ones out are that Specialized Turbo Levo but they are like $5k plus.

You still get kicked off most of the dirt trails with the class1.
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Originally Posted By BuildUpNow
That's pretty cheap for an e-bike. Most decent ones cost twice that. I'd have questions about the durability of the product. Decent ebikes have the powerplant in the bottom bracket and as such have customer frame designs. This is a bolt on to a standard bike frame. A lot of compromises are made as a result.

Also this isn't really an e-bike as it has throttle controls. It may very well be considered a motorized vehicle like a motorcycle or moped and face the same restrictions. If the bike requires you to pedal for the motor to kick in then it's generally considered an e-bike. You might need to check local laws to see where you can legally ride this thing.

Personally, I say buy a real e-bike even though they are $3k if not double that. Haibikes has some decent ones otherwise I'd just go with a Specialized Levo which I have ridden and enjoyed.
You need to do more research as most of what you're saying is simply incorrect. It's not a bolt on to a standard bike, nor is considered a moped, one can ride with zero assist to full assist, etc. and I know people with many miles on them now and they are very well built. Go read the long term and short term reviews. What I like about the Rad is it uses a motor in the rear hub vs connecting to the chain some place which give more tork, better isolation from the elements, and does not add additional tension/stress to the chain.

Many "real" e bikes are simply over priced which is why new(er) companies making good quality ebikes for less $ can't keep them in stock. Sonders has one for around $500 which while not my choice (due mostly to smaller motor, charge time, etc) that has been very well received by users and is well built.

Per usual, e bikes started out as an expensive niche toy, and are now going mainstream and prices dropping quickly.
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Originally Posted By WillBrink
You need to do more research as most of what you're saying is simply incorrect. It's not a bolt on to a standard bike, nor is considered a moped, one can ride with zero assist to full assist, etc. and I know people with many miles on them now and they are very well built. Go read the long term and short term reviews. What I like about the Rad is it uses a motor in the rear hub vs connecting to the chain some place which give more tork, better isolation from the elements, and does not add additional tension/stress to the chain.

Many "real" e bikes are simply over priced which is why new(er) companies making good quality ebikes for less $ can't keep them in stock. Sonders has one for around $500 which while not my choice (due mostly to smaller motor, charge time, etc) that has been very well received by users and is well built.

Per usual, e bikes started out as an expensive niche toy, and are now going mainstream and prices dropping quickly.
Sorry but those e-bikes are a junk design. That's not a purpose built e-bike at all, it's simply bolting on parts to standard bikes. Cheap e-bikes may sell well but it's not any indication of quality. Those crap e-balance boards from china also sold well but caught on fire. Not everyone can afford a proper $8000 e-bike. That motor in the rear hub design is god awful. Motors lack sufficient torque and durability and for mtbing you can easily overheat them. I know cuz I've ridden quite a few and they simply aren't durable. For street cruising it might be fine though. For MTBing it's straight up garbage and no one in their right mind uses it. I've also talked to a number of bike shops and they won't use them for rentals because of durability issues. They'll still sell you one but they can use them in their fleet due to all the issues they suffer.

E-bikes are quite the contentious topic in the biking community. Even various agencies don't know how to classify them. The DMV will classify them one way but land management agencies and cities another. From what I've seen here and stateside(CA and FL mostly) if it has a throttle then it's treated like a motorized vehicle and can only be used on streets. Barred from trail access, sidewalks, beaches, parks, etc. Ride them in a sensible manner though and you won't draw attention so they'll treat it like an ordinary bike.

That e-bike may be sufficient for your needs but to claim it will revolutionize cycling or can compare to more expensive e-bikes is laughable to any serious cyclist who will have far greater demands. I'm not saying this to denigrate you in any manner but that design has a number of issues that will be exposed by demanding users. A casual or novice rider may find the bike perfectly sufficient though.
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Was watching YouTube videos months ago, those things get up fast, irrc some dudes hit 40mph
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I still cannot understand why you'd ever want to use one except as a commuter machine. The fun of an MTB (other than a dh bike) is it being light and responsive, I can't imagine ever wanting to use this monstrosity anywhere that is actually fun to ride.
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Originally Posted By hooty
E-bikes are quite the contentious topic in the biking community. Even various agencies don't know how to classify them. The DMV will classify them one way but land management agencies and cities another. From what I've seen here and stateside(CA and FL mostly) if it has a throttle then it's treated like a motorized vehicle and can only be used on streets.

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You need to do more research. I've ridden this bike in ca. It's a class 2 and allowed everywhere. The law passed in 2016.

Class 1-3



Most places like Moab any e-bike is banned anyway.

I'm pretty serious about biking and that rig is fun
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Originally Posted By hooty
That e-bike may be sufficient for your needs but to claim it will revolutionize cycling or can compare to more expensive e-bikes is laughable to any serious cyclist who will have far greater demands.
I made no such claims and you're still full of sh&%. I have no doubt there's even better designs as one wishes to spend more $. And I have little doubt as a non "serious cyclist" it will meet my needs well, and probably that of 90%+ of people who purchase them, other than the hard core elite types like you. Hopefully you're finished and will jump on your superior e bike and ride into greatness now.
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Originally Posted By eltoro24
You need to do more research.I've ridden this bike in ca. It's a class 2 and allowed everywhere. The law passed in 2016.

Class 1-3



Most places like Moab any e-bike is banned anyway.

I'm pretty serious about biking and that rig is fun
Said the same, but he's the expert and the Rad will overheat and catch fire for any "serious" cyclist and all that, so ...
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Originally Posted By WillBrink
I made no such claims and you're still full of sh&%. I have no doubt there's even better designs as one wishes to spend more $. And I have little doubt as a non "serious cyclist" it will meet my needs well, and probably that of 90%+ of people who purchase them, other than the hard core elite types like you. Hopefully you're finished and will jump on your superior e bike and ride into greatness now.
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Originally Posted By zknarc
I still cannot understand why you'd ever want to use one except as a commuter machine. The fun of an MTB (other than a dh bike) is it being light and responsive, I can't imagine ever wanting to use this monstrosity anywhere that is actually fun to ride.
Then don't by one. Problem solved. People I know who have them love them. No, I probably will not go serious off road with it, but again, what one guy I know who owns one said:

"I use mine for hunting, helps to cover a lot of ground and is able to carry some gear. Neat idea if you have a lot of miles to cover when scouting and super quiet."
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bike snobs make me cringe.
No different than audio snobs, gym snobs, watch snobs, that I'm well familiar with. They are the people that make the rest of us look like a-holes. The Rad has been very well received by e bike enthusiasts from all I have seen so far and to date seems to be holding up very well for users.
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[QUOTE=eltoro24 post_id=1518610631]You need to do more research. I've ridden this bike in ca. It's a class 2 and allowed everywhere. The law passed in 2016.

Class 1-3

Most places like Moab any e-bike is banned anyway.

I'm pretty serious about biking and that rig is fun[/QUOTE]Where did you ride?


USFS/BLM consider e-bikes motorized and you cannot ride them on trails where mtbs are permitted.

Can't ride them in the Santa Monica Mountains either according to The Mountains Recreation and Conservation Authority. ([URL=http://mrca.ca.gov/MRCA%20Ordinance%20-%206.2016.pdf]http://mrca.ca.gov/MRCA%20Ordinance%20-%206.2016.pdf[/URL])

[QUOTE](b) No person shall operate a motor vehicle, motorcycle, motorized bicycle, [b[u]]electric
bicycle[/u][/b], as defined in California Vehicle Code § 312.5, or motorized scooter anywhere
other than on a paved roadway or parking lot[b][u]unless specifically authorized by posted
signage.[/u][/b][/QUOTE][QUOTE]DIVISION 1. WORDS AND PHRASES DEFINED [100 - 681] ( Division 1 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )
312.5.
(a) An “electric bicycle” is a bicycle equipped with fully operable pedals and an electric motor of less than 750 watts.
(1) A “class 1 electric bicycle,” or “low-speed pedal-assisted electric bicycle,” is a bicycle equipped with a motor that provides assistance only when the rider is pedaling, and that ceases to provide assistance when the bicycle reaches the speed of 20 miles per hour.
(2) A “class 2 electric bicycle,” or “low-speed throttle-assisted electric bicycle,” is a bicycle equipped with a motor that may be used exclusively to propel the bicycle, and that is not capable of providing assistance when the bicycle reaches the speed of 20 miles per hour.[/QUOTE]There are no signage that say electric bicycles or motorized vehicles are permitted.

AB-1096 did open the potential for e-bikes to be used on mtb trails given their new classification. But it also allowed local agencies to have ultimate discretion in whether to permit them as pointed out above. There's also some beaches and cities that have taken it upon themselves to prohibit e-bikes. Socal is pretty friendly towards e-bikes though and you can ride them on most trails where mtbs are allowed. The problem is you have certain agencies who disallow them and it's rather haphazard and not clearly stated at the trail signage.
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Originally Posted By hooty
Where did you ride?


USFS/BLM consider e-bikes motorized and you cannot ride them on trails where mtbs are permitted.

Can't ride them in the Santa Monica Mountains either according to The Mountains Recreation and Conservation Authority. (http://mrca.ca.gov/MRCA%20Ordinance%20-%206.2016.pdf)





There are no signage that say electric bicycles or motorized vehicles are permitted.

AB-1096 did open the potential for e-bikes to be used on mtb trails given their new classification. But it also allowed local agencies to have ultimate discretion in whether to permit them as pointed out above. There's also some beaches and cities that have taken it upon themselves to prohibit e-bikes. Socal is pretty friendly towards e-bikes though and you can ride them on most trails where mtbs are allowed. The problem is you have certain agencies who disallow them and it's rather haphazard and not clearly stated at the trail signage.
Santa Barbara.

That wasn't my point. You said his bike is banned because it has a throttle and it's treated like a motor vehicle. Simply 100% false. Any ebike is banned if the land managers see fit. Class 1-3. All of them.

He can still ride this on all the bike paths and anywhere a bike can go. Minus some trails because every ebike is banned anyway.

So your idea is for him to buy a specific mtb ebike class 1 so he can still get banned from trails?
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Typical e-bike thread that just devolves into bickering. I'm sure anyone who posts regularly to the bike crew thread will think that e-bike is junk and dismiss those who choose to ride or buy it. Is it comparable in quality to a Specialized Turbo Levo, fuk no. No one is insane enough to make that assertion, I hope. Let's not compare a $1500 e-bike to a $8000. We don't typically do that with standard bicycles so why start with an e-bike?

We're rational beings though. Will isn't going to be hucking that thing off drops or even jumping curbs at 20mph. At least I hope not. For his purposes it will probably suffice and be more than he needs. Nothing wrong with that. I would check your local laws though to see if it is permissible. And keep in mind those laws could change quickly and you may not be able to ride it where you intended.
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Im with OP on this one...This bike looks like a blast and is probably appropriate for a significant portion of the populations needs. If Im going mountain biking this wouldnt be my choice. To roll around the neighborhood and go to the pool this hits the spot.

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Originally Posted By One
Typical e-bike thread that just devolves into bickering. I'm sure anyone who posts regularly to the bike crew thread will think that e-bike is junk and dismiss those who choose to ride or buy it. Is it comparable in quality to a Specialized Turbo Levo, fuk no. No one is insane enough to make that assertion, I hope. Let's not compare a $1500 e-bike to a $8000. We don't typically do that with standard bicycles so why start with an e-bike?

We're rational beings though. Will isn't going to be hucking that thing off drops or even jumping curbs at 20mph. At least I hope not. For his purposes it will probably suffice and be more than he needs. Nothing wrong with that. I would check your local laws though to see if it is permissible. And keep in mind those laws could change quickly and you may not be able to ride it where you intended.
One of my favorite forums besides this one is an ebike forum.

The bickering, snobbery is so lols.
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Pretty cool. I especially like that the battery pack can be removed and brought inside. I guess most do that, but it's something I never considered. Being able to just park it like a regular bike then charge the pack in your office or house or wherever is great. Could definitely see myself getting one in the future. Although electric scooters, like Grom clones, are similar price but with better performance, but also don't blend into bike paths or anything the way e-bikes do.
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