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We are paying teachers way too fkkn much
Don't listen to all of the propaganda. Politicians need teacher union votes, so they push the "underpaid teacher" myth every election.
I am instagram friends with 3 teachers I went to high school with. One of them has been in Spain since school got out basically. Spring break was Cancun. One of them has been in Paris for two weeks. Spring break was hiking in Alaska. The other one posted her brand new car last week and traveled to NYC for spring break.
Oh, and the one teacher I dated said once she got her PHD, her district automatically bumps her salary to 6-figures. For teaching 2nd graders.
I have friends who are accountants and engineers who don't seem to make as much as the fkkn elementary teachers I know. And those people MIGHT get 3 weeks vacation at this point in their career, not 10 weeks.
I am instagram friends with 3 teachers I went to high school with. One of them has been in Spain since school got out basically. Spring break was Cancun. One of them has been in Paris for two weeks. Spring break was hiking in Alaska. The other one posted her brand new car last week and traveled to NYC for spring break.
Oh, and the one teacher I dated said once she got her PHD, her district automatically bumps her salary to 6-figures. For teaching 2nd graders.
I have friends who are accountants and engineers who don't seem to make as much as the fkkn elementary teachers I know. And those people MIGHT get 3 weeks vacation at this point in their career, not 10 weeks.
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Another person has woke from the masses.
I calculated out using an average teacher's salary and they made somewhere around $50/hr not including their cushy benefits and pensions. If they worked full time it would be well over $100k/year job.
I still think they earn every penny but to complain that you don't make enough is pure ignorance.
Example:
Avg US teacher's salary = $60,477
Hours worked - 8:30-3:30 = 7 hrs - 35 hrs/week. pretty sure they have a lunch break in there but we won't include because of all the extra "work" they do after 3 pm when in reality they just wait for the last kid to get picked up.
Weeks worked = 40
Total hours/year = 1,400
Holidays = 17 days = 119 hrs
3 weeks of PTO = 105 hrs
1,400 hrs - 119 hrs - 105 hrs = 1176 hrs per year
Avg teacher $/hr salary = $51/hr
That's a $106k/year job @ full time
For comparison:
Typical 40 hr/week job = 2080 hrs
Holidays = 5 days = 40 hrs
3 weeks PTO = 105 hrs
2080-40-105= 1935 hrs
Full timers work 759 hrs more per year. That's 19 more weeks of work.
I calculated out using an average teacher's salary and they made somewhere around $50/hr not including their cushy benefits and pensions. If they worked full time it would be well over $100k/year job.
I still think they earn every penny but to complain that you don't make enough is pure ignorance.
Example:
Avg US teacher's salary = $60,477
Hours worked - 8:30-3:30 = 7 hrs - 35 hrs/week. pretty sure they have a lunch break in there but we won't include because of all the extra "work" they do after 3 pm when in reality they just wait for the last kid to get picked up.
Weeks worked = 40
Total hours/year = 1,400
Holidays = 17 days = 119 hrs
3 weeks of PTO = 105 hrs
1,400 hrs - 119 hrs - 105 hrs = 1176 hrs per year
Avg teacher $/hr salary = $51/hr
That's a $106k/year job @ full time
For comparison:
Typical 40 hr/week job = 2080 hrs
Holidays = 5 days = 40 hrs
3 weeks PTO = 105 hrs
2080-40-105= 1935 hrs
Full timers work 759 hrs more per year. That's 19 more weeks of work.
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07-26-2019, 09:10 AM
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Regarding this, it sounds more like the teachers have excess free time due to not having to work 52 weeks in a year. As such they have more free time in order to make terrible spending decisions. I highly doubt the ones traveling to other countries are doing so with financial responsibility in mind.Don't listen to all of the propaganda. Politicians need teacher union votes, so they push the "underpaid teacher" myth every election.
I am instagram friends with 3 teachers I went to high school with. One of them has been in Spain since school got out basically. Spring break was Cancun. One of them has been in Paris for two weeks. Spring break was hiking in Alaska. The other one posted her brand new car last week and traveled to NYC for spring break.
I have friends who are accountants and engineers who don't seem to make as much as the fkkn elementary teachers I know. And those people MIGHT get 3 weeks vacation at this point in their career, not 10 weeks.
I am instagram friends with 3 teachers I went to high school with. One of them has been in Spain since school got out basically. Spring break was Cancun. One of them has been in Paris for two weeks. Spring break was hiking in Alaska. The other one posted her brand new car last week and traveled to NYC for spring break.
I have friends who are accountants and engineers who don't seem to make as much as the fkkn elementary teachers I know. And those people MIGHT get 3 weeks vacation at this point in their career, not 10 weeks.
I highly doubt that the brand new car is paid for outright, and would bet you anything there's a 5+ years loan on it at a medium-high interest rate, or they're leasing it.
Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
Can't refute this one, but I'd pretty much demand 6 figures if I went into $100k+ student loan debt and spent 6 years after my undergraduates degree pursuing education.Oh, and the one teacher I dated sad once she got her PHD, her district automatically bumps her salary to 6-figures. For teaching 2nd graders.
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seriously its a part time job essentially. No one correct them cause its all woman working the job. Being a teacher is easy as fuk, all my teachers were dumb power hungry skanks.
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Originally Posted By criminal_manne⏩
Being a teacher is easy as fuk?seriously its a part time job essentially. No one correct them cause its all woman working the job. Being a teacher is easy as fuk, all my teachers were dumb power hungry skanks.
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Teacher salary is really reasonable for the number of days and hours they work. Some places might be slightly underpaid but it isn't egregious
Any industry dominated by women is always gonna complain about how poorly they get paid. Take nurses for example. The typical 2 year RN makes more starting out than engineers where I live and they talk chit about being underpaid LMFAO
Any industry dominated by women is always gonna complain about how poorly they get paid. Take nurses for example. The typical 2 year RN makes more starting out than engineers where I live and they talk chit about being underpaid LMFAO
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Originally Posted By badbl00d⏩
compared to a real job, fuk ya it is.Being a teacher is easy as fuk?
ex: gym teacher brb watch kids play basketball.
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I guess if you call 30-50k for 9 months work good pay then yeah. Balling outta control.
Lold at thinking taking trips and having a recent car means someone is rich doe. Do you even credit?
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In Virginia most teachers work two additional jobs to survive. I’d lobby for a higher wage personally.
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Originally Posted By criminal_manne⏩
So PE is the only subject taught in school? Don't oversimplify chit. What real job? I'm sitting at my desk miscing...How is that any harder?compared to a real job, fuk ya it is.
ex: gym teacher brb watch kids play basketball.
ex: gym teacher brb watch kids play basketball.
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I only know one teacher and she's a special education teacher.
She basically works all summer preparing for the next year. She's married to the chief of police and they only ever go on "nearby" vacations because she can't really do much outside with all the prep work she does.
She basically works all summer preparing for the next year. She's married to the chief of police and they only ever go on "nearby" vacations because she can't really do much outside with all the prep work she does.
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Originally Posted By TreyTrey⏩
I've posted this before. Median average salary in LAUSD is $80k. That's one of the districts that are on the news striking ever 2 years for being underpaidI guess if you call 30-50k for 9 months work good pay then yeah. Balling outta control.
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I wouldn't say too much, but definitely not underpaid like a lot of them complain about. Friend of mine started out at like $52k a year teaching special education, which doesn't sound like a lot until you consider the benefits + only working 9 months out of the year. Extrapolated out over the course of a full year that's equivalent to $70k a year for a first year teacher, which around here is pretty damn good money due to our COL. And that was his first year as a full time teacher, I'm sure he makes more now.
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We pay them fine. It's a high stress job and while the summers off perk is nice, I think they make about what they should.
What we should be doing is spending less elsewhere, particularly administration which has gone out of control. The USA spends more per student than all but 1 or 2 countries on the planet - yet we have middling results to speak of it. We are not spending out money wisely.
Give teachers more power. Kick out chithead disruptive students or pass them down to some delinquent school run like a military academy. Fire 1/2 the vice principals and other leeches who aren't adding much. Reign in the administrators making 200-400K a year (or more). Focus less on fuking football stadiums. Focus more on science. Keep teachers making about what they are, adjust some for inflation here out.
What we should be doing is spending less elsewhere, particularly administration which has gone out of control. The USA spends more per student than all but 1 or 2 countries on the planet - yet we have middling results to speak of it. We are not spending out money wisely.
Give teachers more power. Kick out chithead disruptive students or pass them down to some delinquent school run like a military academy. Fire 1/2 the vice principals and other leeches who aren't adding much. Reign in the administrators making 200-400K a year (or more). Focus less on fuking football stadiums. Focus more on science. Keep teachers making about what they are, adjust some for inflation here out.
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Originally Posted By badbl00d⏩
It's the same for any of it. History teacher. Brb watch kids history all day.So gym is the only subject taught in school? Don't oversimply chit.
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I can't comment as to whether teachers are paid appropriately (to be honest, I haven't looked into the numbers)... but I will say teachers are very under appreciated. I've got a ton of respect for the good ones, who put student development before all else.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
Yes because the cost of living anywhere near LA is astronomical. Same as here in Toronto.I've posted this before. Median average salary in LAUSD is $80k. That's one of the districts that are on the news striking ever 2 years for being underpaid
But as a whole I'd say teachers average way under that, country wide. Definitely 50k top end.
You can't talk about exceptions being the rule.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
My wife is a teacher. you are flat out wrong. Your 3 teacher friends may just be stupid and spend their money like idiots.Don't listen to all of the propaganda. Politicians need teacher union votes, so they push the "underpaid teacher" myth every election.
I am instagram friends with 3 teachers I went to high school with. One of them has been in Spain since school got out basically. Spring break was Cancun. One of them has been in Paris for two weeks. Spring break was hiking in Alaska. The other one posted her brand new car last week and traveled to NYC for spring break.
Oh, and the one teacher I dated said once she got her PHD, her district automatically bumps her salary to 6-figures. For teaching 2nd graders.
I have friends who are accountants and engineers who don't seem to make as much as the fkkn elementary teachers I know. And those people MIGHT get 3 weeks vacation at this point in their career, not 10 weeks.
I am instagram friends with 3 teachers I went to high school with. One of them has been in Spain since school got out basically. Spring break was Cancun. One of them has been in Paris for two weeks. Spring break was hiking in Alaska. The other one posted her brand new car last week and traveled to NYC for spring break.
Oh, and the one teacher I dated said once she got her PHD, her district automatically bumps her salary to 6-figures. For teaching 2nd graders.
I have friends who are accountants and engineers who don't seem to make as much as the fkkn elementary teachers I know. And those people MIGHT get 3 weeks vacation at this point in their career, not 10 weeks.
I made more money my first year of school as a civil engineer than my wife makes now, a teacher with 12 years exp.
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One of the most glaring problems with government teachers is they do not see students and parents as their clients. Government teachers have sense of entitlement that we as the tax payers are supposed serve them. You have a great selection of restaurants in the free market because they had to step up their game and the ones lagging went out of business. Same thing should apply to teachers.
Its insane that after the government has control of the children for 6 or 7 hours a day for 12 years they produce adults that cant work a minimum wage gig. What went wrong?
Government schooling is about indoctrination and destroying the human spirit.
Its insane that after the government has control of the children for 6 or 7 hours a day for 12 years they produce adults that cant work a minimum wage gig. What went wrong?
Government schooling is about indoctrination and destroying the human spirit.
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Agreed in that I don't believe in the "teachers are underpaid" myth, and many are overpaid given that there's a lot of terrible teachers who get paid just as much as good ones
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
THis^We pay them fine. It's a high stress job and while the summers off perk is nice, I think they make about what they should.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
You were home schooled. You have no idea how a high school history course works. History courses are some of the most mind numbingly mundane courses usually taught by someone unnecessarily excited to teach history.It's the same for any of it. History teacher. Brb watch kids history all day.
Cliffs: history classes carry a heavy course load, with a lot of reading and recall.
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All the people that defend teacher's pay never really have any substance to their argument.
Show me numbers of why you think they're underpaid. And lets compare to other professional professions.
They are basically like arguing with liberals. All emotion and no logic. But muh kids!
Show me numbers of why you think they're underpaid. And lets compare to other professional professions.
They are basically like arguing with liberals. All emotion and no logic. But muh kids!
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Lol @ at it being an easy job. Think you could work with HS kids who can disrespect you whenever they feel like it and endure NO repercussions? Think you can deal with principals making you teach subjects that you know nothing about just because they want someone to pick up the slack? Think you can deal with chithead parents who think it’s YOUR job to raise their kid? Or the ones who think that it’s YOUR fault that their kid is a little chithead like them?
Ya... sounds like a real picnic.
As for your accountant and engineer friends... maybe they just suck at negotiating the terms of their employment. Or maybe they chose the wrong career.
Ya... sounds like a real picnic.
As for your accountant and engineer friends... maybe they just suck at negotiating the terms of their employment. Or maybe they chose the wrong career.
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you guys are all idiots.
My neighbor is a elementary school teacher, and she taught all 3 of my boys in both 3rd grade AND 5th grade. She is at the school at 7AM every morning and works at least 12 hours days. I dated an elementary school teacher and she never stopped working.
Not only do they have to deal with kids, they have to deal with parents. Their job doesn't start when the kids show up and when they leave. They don't stop working in the summer, they are constantly going to meetings and trainings to keep up with standards.
If you went to school and were actually aware, you would have seen how hard your teachers had to work first hand. IF any of you had kids, you would see how hard they work first hand.
Teachers deserve wages akin to doctors, IMO.
I honestly don't blame people for not wanting to be teachers. No one respects them.
Bunch of slack jaw ****ing *******s in this thread and OP is the king. And yes, if you go to school for 7 years and get a PHD, you should make 6 figures.
My neighbor is a elementary school teacher, and she taught all 3 of my boys in both 3rd grade AND 5th grade. She is at the school at 7AM every morning and works at least 12 hours days. I dated an elementary school teacher and she never stopped working.
Not only do they have to deal with kids, they have to deal with parents. Their job doesn't start when the kids show up and when they leave. They don't stop working in the summer, they are constantly going to meetings and trainings to keep up with standards.
If you went to school and were actually aware, you would have seen how hard your teachers had to work first hand. IF any of you had kids, you would see how hard they work first hand.
Teachers deserve wages akin to doctors, IMO.
I honestly don't blame people for not wanting to be teachers. No one respects them.
Bunch of slack jaw ****ing *******s in this thread and OP is the king. And yes, if you go to school for 7 years and get a PHD, you should make 6 figures.
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My SIL is a 4th grade teacher. makes 90k per year and complains to no end of how little her pay is.
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Originally Posted By pondus_levo⏩
My wife, my mom, and several of my good friends are teachers.you guys are all idiots.
My neighbor is a elementary school teacher, and she taught all 3 of my boys in both 3rd grade AND 5th grade. She is at the school at 7AM every morning and works at least 12 hours days. I dated an elementary school teacher and she never stopped working.
Not only do they have to deal with kids, they have to deal with parents. Their job doesn't start when the kids show up and when they leave. They don't stop working in the summer, they are constantly going to meetings and trainings to keep up with standards.
If you went to school and were actually aware, you would have seen how hard your teachers had to work first hand. IF any of you had kids, you would see how hard they work first hand.
Teachers deserve wages akin to doctors, IMO.
I honestly don't blame people for not wanting to be teachers. No one respects them.
Bunch of slack jaw ****ing *******s in this thread and OP is the king. And yes, if you go to school for 7 years and get a PHD, you should make 6 figures.
My neighbor is a elementary school teacher, and she taught all 3 of my boys in both 3rd grade AND 5th grade. She is at the school at 7AM every morning and works at least 12 hours days. I dated an elementary school teacher and she never stopped working.
Not only do they have to deal with kids, they have to deal with parents. Their job doesn't start when the kids show up and when they leave. They don't stop working in the summer, they are constantly going to meetings and trainings to keep up with standards.
If you went to school and were actually aware, you would have seen how hard your teachers had to work first hand. IF any of you had kids, you would see how hard they work first hand.
Teachers deserve wages akin to doctors, IMO.
I honestly don't blame people for not wanting to be teachers. No one respects them.
Bunch of slack jaw ****ing *******s in this thread and OP is the king. And yes, if you go to school for 7 years and get a PHD, you should make 6 figures.
Not one has worked a 12 hr day in their life. It's a part time job.
I'm an engineer. I've work 12 hr days multiple times a month.
Your teacher's sob stories are no different from any other professional position except instead of kids and parents it's clients and customers.
Teacher deserving doctor's wages is comical. Elem ed is top 5 easiest 4 year degrees out there.
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Originally Posted By Miked1978⏩
It's $61k/year numbnutsFunny how the national teacher salary average is $39k
Don't think that's enough to deal with the clowns that are school today.
Don't think that's enough to deal with the clowns that are school today.
https://blogs.edweek.org/teachers/te..._salaries.html
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