Day 3 of NoFap, I'm about to lose my mind. Usually by day 6 every gym sesh feels like Im watching a Brazzers scene whenever I see a gym sloot. Tbh I start to get desperate but it does help me talk to girls quicker without even thinking of it.

Nevertheless whereas before my issue was not getting anywhere, nowadays I don't even have girls to chase after. Miscers are gonna say do a hobby. Recently I've gone to meetups to try new things like volunteering, improv etc. I'd say 90% of attendants are awkward guys. The women are typically not attractive. There was a cute girl I was vibing with but she had a bf. I always still have a good time talking to people regardless. I still go for that reason. Obviously volunteering is good either way. This just doesn't seem like a great avenue for getting laid.

Clubs/bars are getting frustrating. No matter how good of a conversation I have, how dtf they seem while dancing or looking at me, or even full on making out on occasion it never goes anywhere the next day. I'm always telling them to meet me and my friends to eat afterwards, that goes nowhere either.

Just looking for honest advice. Im working hard to focus on the solution instead of the issue. I'm always talking to people, regardless of sex, in the grocery line or building rapport with cashiers but it hasn't translated to women. Maybe I should just keep working Meetup/Volunteering and hope for the best?

Cliffs:
-OP is decent looking (6.5-7)
-Nothing works for OP despite social skills and trying new hobbies/volunteering
-Club girls seem dtf but never respond the next day no matter how well interaction goes
-OP looking for proven solutions

Given your description I'd say tinder/bumble/etc
Not irl but holy phuck is that chit easy dude.
Brb hey darlin
Brb they're en route
Smash smash smash
Brb she leaves you shower or wait on the next to arrive.
Easy peasy.

I guess i have a perverse love of myself that makes it so i can go anywhere and have fun; as in it more has to do with my character having fun than it is having to go to x place to have fun. I feel i could go somewhere i dont want to, like a book convention and still find sexy sloots

But theres prob soo much in your city, unless you live somewhere rural.

I can think of at least 10 bars close to me tonight. More if i travelled a bit. Restauarants, grocery stores, conventions, theaters, book stores and libraries are prob less than they used to be, but possibly. Do you have any indoor mountain climbing thing near you? Different versions of yoga would prob always have sloots. Dance studios. Airports.

I feel like theres too much to list that could have sloots

Try taking them home same night/day

What state do you live in op? More inland or near water?

yo bro have a listen, i recorded some advice, feel free to reply.


https://vocaroo.com/i/s1gD426hOzMd

op if you find out let me know

You can pull chicks anywhere, the problem is you tbh.

I had to come to terms with this self evaluation and once I did that, I went on a path of self improvement that's still going on to this day and I'm not doing too bad if I say so myself.

It might also be where you live but you probably also need to do self improvement cause you seem to make everything involving sex and dating too complicated. No offense but just calling a spade a spade.

EDIT : How is op making sex and dating "complicated" ? Lmao it outright isnt happening for him. He cant complicate what doesnt happen. What what "self improvements" should OP pursue ? He's a well off college grad, lifter, and goes out of his way to be social.

I believe FlChamp hung out with him once and said he was normal if i recall correctly.

He over thinks situations that should be easy AF for him like he mentioned several times that he had chances to bang but either he was too drunk or he wanted the hottest chick there that wasn't into him. Excuse after excuse.

Having doable pussy is better than having none especially in his situation.

Him being super drunk isnt "over thinking". He possibly had a drinking problem and from what I under he quit. Last time I spoke with him I think he adjusted his standards as well.

It's still a "he" problem and like I said....he was ovethinking that situation where he didn't take the chick that was giving him choosing signals cause he wanted the hottest one there. To me that's overthinking.

that situation aside, since he seems to be more sober now....what ELSE does he need to do ? "working on yourself" is vague and imo empty advice man. He did the job and body thing. He has friends and boys.

Im not trying to argue here, but people that pull easily just.....say the most random and non helpful ****. There is no measurable amount of "Working on yourself" that will bring in women. Its all subjective. Imagine if someone was like "Hey guys I just did my first amateur bodybuilding show, volunteer at the nursing home, and I have like 10 really guy friends. Life is great ! Everything is going swell, minus dating. What should I do next?"

"JuSt kEeP WoRkInNG oN YoUrSelF"

u actually want advice on getting laid?

there is no advice. I can "get laid" if I put in the effort. Imo anyone can. However that depends on how much one wants to lower their standards. And with the 80/20 + obesity in America ? Its rough dude. I can pull a thin/ HWP woman in Europe. Its borderline impossible for me in the USA. Its like absurd. No matter how skinny or fit I've been.

I've asked this and most dudes are just doing it via online. No idea how their numbers would be if OLD didn't exist.

Lol I match with borderline models in Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia....cant even get a 6/10 in LA lmao

@Muztek mirin the accent, I'm not doing hobbies to meet anyone. Although I think about it, I mainly do these things to experience something new and to meet both genders. I mostly said that because I anticipated miscers saying that. You're right though maybe I need to put my pride to the side and play the Tinder game. That sht just feels so fake to me, I'd hate to give in to the new age of dating. But hey guess you gotta pick your battles in dating these days.


@otaku @Blackscorpio I legit forgot that I actually ran into him IRL. That was a few years ago but yeah he did say that I looked and acted normal, which is even truer now.

Blackscorpio brah you keep talking about me in terms of the past. I don't get blackout drunk or make those types of mistakes anymore. Nowadays cut myself off after a few and so I'm a lot more clearheaded, my game is actually a lot better when tipsy as opposed to how I used to get....girls literally tell me I know how to talk but they never give up the cheeks. Maybe I can lower my standards a bit...I'm not exactly chasing 7s and up though.

I agree that self improvement is great. The times when I was consistently meditating, no fapping and reading were really good for me. But otaku hit it right on the head. Are we supposed to just give up on girls until we're $175k salary executives at the peak of our careers lmao how does that explain thugged out dudes getting laid? Surely BlueFace is a shining example of self improvement...I'll do it for me but there's gotta be something else. Most people don't take part in self improvement, including my chad brah who girls approached regularly. I'm nowhere near perfect however I have come far, it hasn't gotten me anywhere outside of increased intitial attraction. Still working on it though.

Addressed both quotes in this vocaroo.
https://vocaroo.com/i/s1ruo3rlL27X

Well he asked for advice and I gave it to him. If it doesn't work then he needs to move to a different city or state.

In b4.

It seems like you are putting effort into being more social and that is a great step. Really, it's the most important thing you can do. I'm going to make the assumption that your social skills are at least average.

The next step is getting better at flirting and banter. This is the main attraction trigger, even moreso than looks, IMO. Is it possible that your conversations are a bit boring and lacking that flare ? Do you suck at flirting?|

Also, about the girls at clubs and bars. It's easy to get some interest, especially from the get go. This might even result in a quick makeout or something. But things tend to fizzle out quickly in that stimulating of an environment, and with the alcohol to boot, it can be hard to get a girl to really remember you much. In order to get a girl at a bar to hang out with you the next day, you USUALLY have to have a solid interaction which lasts a considerable amount of time. I would suggest moving the girl around the bar with you, for instance to get a drink or go to the smoke pit. Not only will this build trust and compliance, but it will create the illusion of a longer, more meaningful interaction.

The general gist I get from your post is that even though you can hold a conversation, you aren't doing it with any kind of sexual intent or flirtacious banter, or with intention to move it from a friendly conversation to a more serious one. If you want a "pickup artist" to learn from, I'd suggest checking out Austen Summers infield videos. He's not a particularly good looking guy, but his vibe is just amazing.

lmao @ "day 3 of no fap"

like its normal to jack off every single day
or as if theres some crazy change in sex drive in that short amount of time

and unfortunately unless youre 10/10 male

those situations where girls come straight to ur house on the first meeting are super rare.

you are probably a guy like me who unfortunately has to go on dates etc first, maybe a few before she will come over.
thats the sad truth but yeah, its possible

Im not longer super saiyan jacked like my avi, but during that 4 year block dating was hard as hell. Real life, online, social circle, cold approaches. Approached hundreds of women and literally if they obese or like 40+ years old it wasnt happening. Manage to land a fitness chick during that time frame, but apparently the entire time her friends kept telling her I was ugly the entire time and she event ghosted hardcore (why lift when its all about the face) Like it was absurdly difficult and most lays were older women / larger women. This is a single incident, but once I was at the bar and a female friend was talking to this girl. Girl told her "I want to dance but no one has approached". My friend then says "hey dance with my friend", I turn around because I hear this, the girl frowns, and walks away. I legitimately started loling and kept sipping my drink.

Europe and Asia are just different beasts entirely. Wasnt aware Australia had a higher obesity rate than us but I think an accent + foreign not being able to put you in a category = success.

Example. Two us to random guys from China are....two random guys from China. We can't really figure them out due to not knowing Chinese culture. To a woman from china ? Once both guys begin speaking and moving she can roughly throw them into categories. Its a bro theory, but its the only thing I can really think of to explain success.

I'm usually out being myself, living life, etc. Really, you've been asking for answers for years. There's really no art form to this. Just be yourself, be honest and genuine with your actions and intentions, and if that isn't enough, sorry.

OP Im not sure if you're big into anime, but we are roughly the same age-ish so I'd imagine you watched Dragonball Z growing up. This scene, imo, is one of the best scenes in the series. As we all know Vegeta put in hella work, and still was always coming up short. He eventually came to terms with this. He can only be the best he can be, but he may never be THE best. Women historically has never liked the bulk of men, and with less men dying in wars, conflicts, diseases, the fact women have their own capital these days. Its possibly the worst time in human history to be an average man in the dating market.

We just gotta stay mentally intact and endure this.

Lower your standards, as far as where you'd be willing to approach them.

For some reason girls are always really friendly around the bus station.

I've only ever pulled 1 woman in a nightclub - Wrong environment for me to do my thing.

Pubs, Gym, Out shopping or Dating apps.
For me it was all chat - I have insane chat game & pretty much know what women want to hear.

I've had my fare-share of rejections over my time - But more success.

Looks mean Chit these days. More & More women preferring 'Dad-bodies' over Gym goers.
If you're basically autistic when it comes to chatting to women then you fuk'd - Cause that's something that can't be taught. Comes with confidence.

Just work on yaself in the gym - Get happy with yourself - Then retry.

If you're just looking a quick bang. Dating apps are the one for it - Keeps it simple & easy.
Slept with well over 50+ women from tinder alone. Normally within 72 hours of the initial message.

I'd consider myself a 7.5/10 too - Just make your profile attractive or create a 'Talking point' on your profile to intrigue a woman to want to know more about that 'Talking point' then a convo will flow from there. Next thing you know - She round ya house pretending to be a magician. 'Make this Dik disappear like a good girl'

Come on man. With that type of success do you really think you advice is applicable to most men ? To op ? Especially when you admit you're borderline an 8/10 ? You look good + decent convo = issa wrap.

I've seen it with my own eyes.

I've got a friend that's legit 4/10 Greek Hairy Fat 26 Y/O Nuclear engineer friend.
He isn't attractive. He tells women he's a Postman.

But he can pull a woman A LOT easier than me - All purely because he's got game.
If you looked at the women he's slept with & looked at him.... You'd think WTF.

It's literally all in your ability to chat to a female. Which stems from confidence.
When you ask a woman out what's the worst thing that'll happen? - She say's NO.... Okay. Go to the next one.... & the Next one until you get a Yes...

It's like playing a game on your phone - You're just retrying the level over & over again until you succeed.
But because you failed that level you don't give up on that game.. Do you? No - You restart that bitccccch & try again.

Exact same principle with women.

Too many Snowflakes these days - Get upset over nothing. A woman calls you ugly? Fuk her. She's probably clapped & depressed with her self so takes the abuse out on you..
Or she's getting USED & ABUSED by CHAD - She's fed up & classed all guys the same.