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post 1609751411 07-06-2020, 12:06 AM
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Harsh truths about lifting that no one will admit

-Bulking and Cutting is a waste of time, if you’re not a beginner
-Compound lifts > everything else
-Genetics > Diet/training
-Diet > Training
-Most natural lifters only need 2,500-3,000 cals/day
-Youtube fitness is full of idiots and liars
-15% bf is the healthiest for men
-Lifting can’t compensate for an ugly face or short height
-poor cardio leads to an early death
-most supplements are useless
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Agree with... most of this. But bulking/cutting really is a good path for a lot of people.

Lifting heavy and compounds definitely matter. Too many dudes doing high reps and never pushing their limits.

Also honestly... anyone you admire has done supplements. Better accept that and make your choice early, than chase something that's not actually possible.
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Natty limits exist
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
Agree with... most of this. But bulking/cutting really is a good path for a lot of people.

Lifting heavy and compounds definitely matter. Too many dudes doing high reps and never pushing their limits.

Also honestly... anyone you admire has done supplements. Better accept that and make your choice early, than chase something that's not actually possible.
all I do are the compound lifts now 3-4x a week. I train high reps but my bench is still nearing 405

I don’t follow any of these bs programs on the internet. no belt/lifting gear. it’s all bull$hit

lifting is not as complex as most people think. that’s the main message
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Originally Posted By bfdehewdbyywhn⏩
all I do are the compound lifts now 3-4x a week. I train high reps but my bench is still nearing 405

I don’t follow any of these bs programs on the internet. no belt/lifting gear. it’s all bull$hit

lifting is not as complex as most people think. that’s the main message
What is your height and weight?

If it's sane, you're definitely a product of genetics. They estimated most men would never bench 300lbs regardless of training program natty. I believe it. If I'd been willing to make myself sick with help, I'd be in the 400s. Had a kid and got stuck at 365 x 2 looking for general health balance. Know how hard even 315 was for me
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low body fat can do wonders. if you have a decent jawline you can go from that to having a flat out good jawline, and so forth. Which is more significant than muscle really, chicks like muscle but they look at the face first.

it's crazy seeing all the pics of dumpy/beta looking dudes who went from that to alpha looking just from getting rid of facial fat.

won't cure recessed incel face but can definitely spin you up a few points.
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Decline bench press has slightly more upper chest involvement than incline bench press
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
What is your height and weight?

If it's sane, you're definitely a product of genetics. They estimated most men would never bench 300lbs regardless of training program natty. I believe it. If I'd been willing to make myself sick with help, I'd be in the 400s. Had a kid and got stuck at 365 x 2 looking for general health balance. Know how hard even 315 was for me
6’1 230

my bench didn’t start out good. was recently in the past two years I learned how to bench correctly

went from CG 225-315 for reps in less than a year. but took me longer to go from 135-225

only bench and squat are my good lifts
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Originally Posted By bfdehewdbyywhn⏩
-Lifting can’t compensate for an ugly face or short height
Right, but amazing strength is. Bruce Lee in his prime could prolly pull a lot of taller White chicks.
Originally Posted By bfdehewdbyywhn⏩
-15% bf is the healthiest for men
How do you measure this? What % body fat would someone like Bruce Lee be?
Originally Posted By bfdehewdbyywhn⏩
-most supplements are useless
So which ones would you say aren't?
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Originally Posted By Supaduck0⏩
low body fat can do wonders. if you have a decent jawline you can go from that to having a flat out good jawline, and so forth. Which is more significant than muscle really, chicks like muscle but they look at the face first.

it's crazy seeing all the pics of dumpy/beta looking dudes who went from that to alpha looking just from getting rid of facial fat.

won't cure recessed incel face but can definitely spin you up a few points.
It depends. At some point, some/many/most(?) get 'skull face', they look gaunt. I'd rather stay @12% , I don't measure. I just look at the mirror.
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Originally Posted By bfdehewdbyywhn⏩
-poor cardio leads to an early death
This needs to be emphasized more. I don't think a lot people who lift realize that having good cardio is usually better for their quality of life than adding 30 lbs to their bench.
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Originally Posted By NealIRC⏩
Right, but amazing strength is. Bruce Lee in his prime could prolly pull a lot of taller White chicks.


How do you measure this? What % body fat would someone like Bruce Lee be?


So which ones would you say aren't?
you can use references on google images or BF % calipers. Bruce Lee looks 8%


the real $hit that pro BB and powerlifters use. they’ll sell proteins to you that can be found in normal food while they roid their asses off.
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post 1609752751 07-06-2020, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted By RJLXA⏩
Expectation: start lifting and get more female attention.

Reality: being cold approached by random dudes.
Damn, anyone else, like that? You get approached by more gay dudes, than women?
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Originally Posted By bfdehewdbyywhn⏩
lifting is not as complex as most people think. that’s the main message
lifting is as complex or as simple as you make it, depending on your goals... your main message fails
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Originally Posted By io31⏩
This needs to be emphasized more. I don't think a lot people who lift realize that having good cardio is usually better for their quality of life than adding 30 lbs to their bench.
exactly, My father is in his 70s and runs everyday.

I know guys at my local gym/work dying in their 50s. if you tested their blood pressure you wouldn’t be surprised one bit


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Originally Posted By quadfecta⏩
Decline bench press has slightly more upper chest involvement than incline bench press
never heard of that. will do research on it
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nearly everyone knows most of this

lol @ "no one will admit"
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Originally Posted By NealIRC⏩
So which ones would you say aren't?
Fish oil, multi, Vit D, zinc, and collagen peptides. Maybe.
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agree on cardio

started doing cardio only couple weeks ago and already feel way better
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Originally Posted By bfdehewdbyywhn⏩
-Genetics > Diet/training
Not for lifting except on the extreme end.

-Diet > Training
Not unless you eat one of the worst possible diets.

-Lifting can’t compensate for an ugly face or short height
short height by 20% or so.

-most supplements are useless
Almost every supplement causes net harm.
I'll add: Anything really meaningful in lifting cannot occur naturally. At best a healthy habit on the side.
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in all honesty, i agree with all except genetics, thats incel talk my man
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Originally Posted By RJLXA⏩
Expectation: start lifting and get more female attention.

Reality: being cold approached by random dudes.
Lmfao
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Agree with most points

Your face matters a lot more if you're after girls, but if you're after girls, you are yet better off practicing talking to girls.
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Originally Posted By bfdehewdbyywhn⏩
-Bulking and Cutting is a waste of time, if you’re not a beginner
-Compound lifts > everything else
-Genetics > Diet/training
-Diet > Training
-Most natural lifters only need 2,500-3,000 cals/day
-Youtube fitness is full of idiots and liars
-15% bf is the healthiest for men
-Lifting can’t compensate for an ugly face or short height
-poor cardio leads to an early death
-most supplements are useless
frirnd went from 5/10 to 7/10 lifting



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Originally Posted By bfdehewdbyywhn⏩
-Bulking and Cutting is a waste of time, if you’re not a beginner
-Compound lifts > everything else
-Genetics > Diet/training
-Diet > Training
-Most natural lifters only need 2,500-3,000 cals/day
-Youtube fitness is full of idiots and liars
-15% bf is the healthiest for men
-Lifting can’t compensate for an ugly face or short height
-poor cardio leads to an early death
-most supplements are useless
I realise this is the Misc but here goes nothing...
- bulking and cutting is the only way to progress but the key is not to overdo it - very slight surpluses when bulking if you are advanced because you aren't expecting to grow muscle fast
- compound lifts are like the hammer and the chisel in the toolbox - very useful but you might also need other tools, some things are just not well trained by anything else
- in particular, staying healthy especially when lifting at an older age needs careful choice of balancing isolations to prevent joint issues
- People constantly use genetics as an excuse when it's actually hard work and persistence that eclipses everything else. Perhaps genetics becomes the most important factor if you want to be a world champion... but for average guys, they can get results if they try.
- you can't say diet or training are more or less important than each other. It's like saying the left or right leg is more important when walking
- cardio is not required if you work your ass off with weights, especially high rep lower body lifts. My blood markers are in the top 1% for people my age and I never do any formal cardio.

Agree on all the rest.
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Originally Posted By FrankCostanza⏩
frirnd went from 5/10 to 7/10 lifting



No one understands how much work it takes to get where you want to be.
How does lifting change how your face looks?
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