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Who do you rate higher, philosophers or physicists?

These two disciplines are unequivocally the ones which have drawn the greatest minds to them. Who do you rate higher? Newton or Nietzsche? Aristotle or Archimedes? Schopenhauer or Schrodinger?
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Physicists contribute to science and advancing the human race.
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Originally Posted By ChrisLS8⏩
Physicists contribute to science and advancing the human race.
Philosophers have a greater influence on human behaviour. Most people's minds are full of the ideas of dead philosophers, even if they don't know it. Unfortunately these days those ideas are mostly from Marx and Hegel.
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
Philosophers have a greater influence on human behaviour. Most people's minds are full of the ideas of dead philosophers, even if they don't know it. Unfortunately these days those ideas are mostly from Marx and Hegel.
Not nearly as tangible of results imo.

Philosophy won't get us to Mars
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Philosophers

Physicists and their technology advance science, but they don't really benefit the Human condition, futuristic technology has no true benefit on people's deeper needs. Philosophers actually might give people motivation, or benefit their mindset/way of looking at life. To me that has power beyond sterile gadgets. Physics is boring as fukk and useless to 99% of people's lives.
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Philosophy is chit tier (srs).

We can use maths and subsets of maths(logic) to invalidate philosophy.

Maybe we are not advanced enough in our maths to do that yet, but regardless philosophy is just a jerk off fest.
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Originally Posted By ChrisLS8⏩
Not nearly as tangible of results imo.

Philosophy won't get us to Mars
Philosophy, via political leftism, may have prevented us from getting to Mars by effectively ending space exploration.
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Originally Posted By MuslimBrahSwag⏩
Philosophy is chit tier (srs).

We can use maths and subsets of maths(logic) to invalidate philosophy.

Maybe we are not advanced enough in our maths to do that yet, but regardless philosophy is just a jerk off fest.
I think this is probably a retard tier argument but elaborate. How can maths invalidate philosophy?
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Originally Posted By Supaduck0⏩
Philosophers

Physicists and their technology advance science, but they don't really benefit the Human condition, futuristic technology has no true benefit on people's deeper needs. Philosophers actually might give people motivation, or benefit their mindset/way of looking at life. To me that has power beyond sterile gadgets. Physics is boring as fukk and useless to 99% of people's lives.
I basically agree with this, and I studied and work in physics.
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Originally Posted By DeathCorner⏩
strong short term thinking

. Good luck surviving through history without physics
I think you are caught up in a certain progressive philosophical view of historiography, probably without even knowing it.
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Philosophers rank lower than cell phone salesmen.
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
These two disciplines are unequivocally the ones which have drawn the greatest minds to them. Who do you rate higher? Newton or Nietzsche? Aristotle or Archimedes? Schopenhauer or Schrodinger?
Historically it's a tight race, if comparing the greats. Nowadays I'd say physicists - modern day philosophy is mostly a new type of secular scholasticism obsessing about unimportant topics. Example: "Can machines think?". Sounds important but when you realize the same philosophers also seriously discuss the question "Do other minds exist?" you just stop taking them seriously. I think the modern "professionalization" of philosophy has not been good for the field, historically the best philosophers were also practicing scientists (e.g. Descartes, Aristotle, Leibniz).

One of the most highly rated modern philosophers (Derek Parfit) spent 1000+ pages trying to show that "objective morality" is a thing.
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
Philosophers have a greater influence on human behaviour. Most people's minds are full of the ideas of dead philosophers, even if they don't know it. Unfortunately these days those ideas are mostly from Marx and Hegel.
Hegel is the Nicolas Cage of philosophy. Is he good, is he not? We will never be able to answer that question.
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I'm leaning towards physicist but it depends on their specific field to be honest, because at the highest levels of theoretical physics there isn't much difference from what they do and what philosophers do right?
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Originally Posted By EiFit91⏩
Historically it's a tight race, if comparing the greats. Nowadays I'd say physicists - modern day philosophy is mostly a new type of secular scholasticism obsessing about unimportant topics. Example: "Can machines think?". Sounds important but when you realize the same philosophers also seriously discuss the question "Do other minds exist?" you just stop taking them seriously. I think the modern "professionalization" of philosophy has not been good for the field, historically the best philosophers were also practicing scientists (e.g. Descartes, Aristotle, Leibniz).

One of the most highly rated modern philosophers (Derek Parfit) spent 1000+ pages trying to show that "objective morality" is a thing.
Good post, postmodern philosophy is chit tier, but physicists are also not what they once were.
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
Good post, postmodern philosophy is chit tier, but physicists are also not what they once were.
I don't know anything about modern physics but something about philosophy so it may be that you get naturally more skeptical towards fields you know than fields that you less familiar with!

I agree about postmodern philosophy, it's a bunch of snake oil salesmen. But I actually had more "analytical philosophers" in mind in the above post, they are the ones writing journal articles on extremely narrow topics using logic and arriving at strange conclusions. For instance, there was a "medical ethics" article a few years ago that argued that killing newborn babies is ok...
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Originally Posted By TomWanks⏩
I'm leaning towards physicist but it depends on their specific field to be honest, because at the highest levels of theoretical physics there isn't much difference from what they do and what philosophers do right?
I think that the difference is that physicists cannot go beyond the material to the transcendental, and many would probably deny the existence of anything beyond the material anyway.
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Physicists

While it's undeniable that there are many, many great philosophers who have had an immeasurable impact on the world, I think that broadly physicists have a greater impact. By this I mean, the aggregate of all contributions, from chit to God tier.


I say this with the caveat that my knowledge of both topics is recreational and casual at best. I just think that mid tier physicists > mid tier philosophers and that perhaps this can be extrapolated to all ranges
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
I think that the difference is that physicists cannot go beyond the material to the transcendental, and many would probably deny the existence of anything beyond the material anyway.
But when you start talking about theoretical frameworks like special relativity or something like that, your 'constraints' are entirely defined by you.

So youde jureare working entirely in the material world sure, butde factoyou're making presumptions about the physical world that may or may not be correct.

The idea of the 'aether' is another good example, the assumption certainly helped advance the field (even correctly occasionally) but it was fundamentally based on faulty presumptions.

I get what you're saying though I'm not trying to split hairs.
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Originally Posted By 2am⏩
Physicists

While it's undeniable that there are many, many great philosophers who have had an immeasurable impact on the world, I think that broadly physicists have a greater impact. By this I mean, the aggregate of all contributions, from chit to God tier.


I say this with the caveat that my knowledge of both topics is recreational and casual at best. I just think that mid tier physicists > mid tier philosophers and that perhaps this can be extrapolated to all ranges
It's true that only the very top tier philosophers have any impact, whereas mid-tier physicists can and do contribute. Also philosophers can have negative as well as positive effects, though physicists did invent the atom bomb for example.
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Originally Posted By TomWanks⏩
But when you start talking about theoretical frameworks like special relativity or something like that, your 'constraints' are entirely defined by you.

So youde jureare working entirely in the material world sure, butde factoyou're making presumptions about the physical world that may or may not be correct.

The idea of the 'aether' is another good example, the assumption certainly helped advance the field (even correctly occasionally) but it was fundamentally based on faulty presumptions.

I get what you're saying though I'm not trying to split hairs.
Physics can never deal with metaphysics, is maybe a better way of putting it. Special relativity is still a description of the material world which is verifiable through atomic clock experiments and such. Same with quantum theory and the double-slit or quantum tunnelling experiments. Physics deals with our perception of the world not the world as it truly is beyond our perception, only philosophy can potentially deal with the world as it truly is.
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Ain't nobody listening to a 2 hour physics podcast.

Philosophy on the other hand....I hear dat dere Jordan Peterson is pretty popular. Now go clean your room and eat a lobster.
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Originally Posted By MuslimBrahSwag⏩
Philosophy is chit tier (srs).

We can use maths and subsets of maths(logic) to invalidate philosophy.

Maybe we are not advanced enough in our maths to do that yet, but regardless philosophy is just a jerk off fest.
This is just retard tier judgements. Maths cant 'invalidate' philosophy, they are both complimentary to each other. We even knew this back in the 20s with the Double Slit experiment, many of the theories that came out from that relies on conscious involvement, something only Philosophy can provide context on.
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