Just read through the "formula for picking up chicks" thread stickied in the relationships subform and these people are missing something big

Basically the just of it is try and pretend to be the high value male that you know you're not, here's a quoteWhile that might work to achieve some desired effect, anyone who does **** like this is a massive simp. You spend time and energy trying to get inside the heads of women, when if you were actually a high value male you wouldn't need to think about any of this **** because your very being would be the 'social proof' these beta males are trying to achieve through social engineering.

It's all "trick her into thinking x about you", when if you weren't a low value male she would think that because it would be true, not because you succeeded in tricking her

If you read through a lot of the advice is on what not to do in a feeble attempt to essentially compete for value with the girl you're trying to sleep with. Recommending not paying for coffee, even confronting the poor girl if she thinks you're going to pay to try and lower her value.

An actual high value male would pay, because they make 5x what she does and have the confidence not to put themselves in competition with a woman. And she is still going to have to bring her A game if she wants him to sleep with her, because you do actually have options, you aren't just pretending to

At the end of the day I doubt this **** even works, women have evolved a keen sense of determining a males actual value far beyond what we can actually control for or even pick up on, so you probably don't want to lower yourself to the level of playing mind games vs women that you're ultimately going to lose. Even if it works (doubtful) your best case scenario is the equivalent of owning a nice car with a massive payment that's more than your rent, vs being an actual moneymogger.

There's also a huge difference between a girl who willingly sleeps with you because she's told herself she might be interested based on the circumstances of your relationship (what you're trying to achieve with pua), vs a girl who knows deep down she's actually landed an alpha. Sex with the former is basically masturbation once you've achieved the latter

the miscer who posted the dating thread/guide is a manlet, which is interesting.

You're thinking about this way too hard.

Lol, sorryI mean that makes sense, but your efforts would still be better spent competing with men and letting women pick up on that, rather than giving up and competing with women

It's the human equivalent of an alternative mating strategy where a lesser male, rather than competing with the other males, sneaks in and fertilizes the female and then dips before being detected

ahh yes

the "sneaky f ucker" theory

Instead of lying and fake-improving yourself, try actually improving yourself. It could help.

I haven't gotten laid or had a gf lately but I no longer make excuses or compare myself to others. You won't get anything without giving at least minimal effort.

you're overthinking it but the basic premise is correct. All this PUA **** presumes that you should approach women as if they were otherworldly, intimidating beings - aka putting pussy in a pedestal. instead of trying to drag them out of the pedestal, don't put them there in the first place.

it sounds great in theory to not play games and just be a high-value male and demonstrate high value behaviors as a natural by-product, etc.

But games are constantly being played even among high-value people to get that extra edge. So your point fails in practice.

Yeah but why are you putting pussy on a pedestal to begin with. Because you're a low value male with a scarcity complex? That's the key issue that needs resolving, not your attitude towards woman.

Like they see the end goal of having a million dollar house, but instead of going to med school/starting a business they're watching tai lopez videos on youtube and trading altcoins.

I think I'm just triggered by this because I can see my past self in it, and look back at a time where I would have been totally susceptible to being misled like this

But the fact is if you're a driven dude who is fully invested in your process, have real friendships with guys that have your back, and have bigger priorities in life than getting pussy, that's how you're going to come off. it's going to put you firmly in the top 10% of men and women are biologically geared towards recognizing that and you will have everything a 'sucessful' pua/red piller is trying to achieve and more by just being your savage self and not by developing an entire fake character in desperation for pussyIDK I read that entire post out of sheer curiosity and I think all the things the pua is pretending to be in order to get girls are achievable 100% natty

PUA is the ultimate autism *******ry. Agreed, OP. GJDM

Yeah I'm not talking about that specific post, but playing games in general (with women or in business). I read the first few sentences of that post, and I agree it sounds stupid.