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post 1642583413 07-10-2021, 10:04 PM
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Is it selfish/unpatriotic to want to live on a farm/ off grid?

It seems to be everyones deepest desire (to live on a few acres of land in the middle of nowhere). Meanwhile you'd have countries like China who seemingly work like a hive-mind on the verge of surpassing us in almost every national metric that matters on the world stage.

I guess the point i'm trying to make is, no matter how chitty and expensive and rude and congested places like San Francisco, L.A. New York and DC are, they're necessary evils to keep the US relevant on the world stage.
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I think it's one of the most patriotic things a person could do.
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Originally Posted By SPP1⏩
I think it's one of the most patriotic things a person could do.
A patriotic person would want whats best for the country....hiding out in the middle of nowhere with a little garden and a barn with chickens isn't going to propel the US over countries like China and even India to a lesser extent as they slowly attempt to take over the tech industries of the world. Its companies like Qualcomm and Nvidia that keep the US relevant. Not Jim-Bob's feed and Lumber in Laramie Wyoming.

Dont get me wrong I wouldn't mind a little homestead out in the sticks, but everyone can't live like that.
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I'm not your huckleberry on this one, OP.
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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
I guess the point i'm trying to make is, no matter how chitty and expensive and rude and congested places like San Francisco, L.A. New York and DC are, they're necessary evils to keep the US relevant on the world stage.
Definitely not unpatriotic.

We should be greatful for those that show up and do the necessary evils of the world. I've always thought this about the artistic types that abhor the "mundane" and speak down to those that keep the lights on and the water flowing, puzzling over how a man can show up to do the same hard, unappreciated work day in and day out. They are enjoying the fruits of society's labors and are lucky enough to not have to produce any.

Talking down to the garbage man is unpatriotic. Wanting to live off grid while understanding that so many others cannot so that you can is self-awareness. Everyone wants out of the rat race and it is only by the virtue that so many get trapped that a few get to be free.
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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
A patriotic person would want whats best for the country....hiding out in the middle of nowhere with a little garden and a barn with chickens isn't going to propel the US over countries like China and even India to a lesser extent as they slowly attempt to take over the tech industries of the world. Its companies like Qualcomm and Nvidia that keep the US relevant. Not Jim-Bob's feed and Lumber in Laramie Wyoming.

Dont get me wrong I wouldn't mind a little homestead out in the sticks, but everyone can't live like that.
Replaceable worker bee #51 at Qualcomm isn't propelling anything either though. At least Jim Bob is self sufficient, running a business and possibly employing a person or two.
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That’s the goal… but off the grid being about 20-30 minutes away from a town and no neighbors for at least a half mile.
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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
A patriotic person would want whats best for the country....hiding out in the middle of nowhere with a little garden and a barn with chickens isn't going to propel the US over countries like China and even India to a lesser extent as they slowly attempt to take over the tech industries of the world. Its companies like Qualcomm and Nvidia that keep the US relevant. Not Jim-Bob's feed and Lumber in Laramie Wyoming.

Dont get me wrong I wouldn't mind a little homestead out in the sticks, but everyone can't live like that.
I don't think you know what this nation was founded on...
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Originally Posted By BulkingIsHard⏩
I don't think you know what this nation was founded on...
What our nation was founded on may have worked in the 18th-20th century, but with the dawn of the internet and ecommerce moving at the speed of fiber optics we will get left in the dust if we lean toward isolationism.
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The single most important worker in human history is the farmer.

Also "everyone's deepest desire" really?

Most people want to live in the suburbs, vast majority of people do that. I live in a big city and it's alright, but I wouldn't say it makes you more or less patriotic. Patriotism is about love for your country. People out in rural areas are generally more patriotic as well.

Tell you what makes America what it is, it's not big cities or companies or politicians and such.

It's Americans. In the city, in the country, in the suburbs, wherever.

Americans are the reason why America is #1
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There's nothing unpatriotic about it. With all the clownworld bullchit that is 2021, disconnecting is the american dream.
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Originally Posted By Achilles87⏩
Replaceable worker bee #51 at Qualcomm isn't propelling anything either though. At least Jim Bob is self sufficient, running a business and possibly employing a person or two.
If that "workerbee #51" is some engineer doing research on new/smaller/faster processors for cellphones which can then be sold to apple/Samsung/Huawei which further encourages tech companies of the world to buy from the US then yeah, i'd say he's propelling the country forward.
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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
What our nation was founded on may have worked in the 18th-20th century, but with the dawn of the internet and ecommerce moving at the speed of fiber optics we will get left in the dust if we lean toward isolationism.
There is not some great wave of people moving out to rural areas.

It's the exact opposite, urbanization is the economic trend worldwide.

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The US has entered into an unprecedented level of overt corruption. I would argue that someone who really loves their country wouldn't want to contribute to maintaining this crap show that has taken control.

Its the same with the economy. I try to support local small businesses to keep them afloat, especially ones where the people really try to offer good service and are most decent towards me. If at all possible, I avoid buying from Amazon, and have bought things used/second-hand, or just borrowed tools that I would have otherwise bought, just to avoid giving Amazon money. By me not buying something new, it doesn't help the economy, but I'm doing my part by not feeding a monopolistic seller.
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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
A patriotic person would want whats best for the country....hiding out in the middle of nowhere with a little garden and a barn with chickens isn't going to propel the US over countries like China and even India to a lesser extent as they slowly attempt to take over the tech industries of the world. Its companies like Qualcomm and Nvidia that keep the US relevant. Not Jim-Bob's feed and Lumber in Laramie Wyoming.

Dont get me wrong I wouldn't mind a little homestead out in the sticks, but everyone can't live like that.
Some great minds have come from BFE. Imagine living in a place where only one parent had to work, where the kid's education is taken seriously, and children aren't constantly exposed to drugs, violence and poverty. I guess the last thing that pops up in my mind is "that's goddam unpatriotic!"

If you think places like San Fran or other ghetto chithole are where it's at, you should be thanking those who abandon the cities because the leaders will eventually have to address the underlying issue, and hopefully improve the city conditions.
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Originally Posted By BeanGainClovis⏩
There is not some great wave of people moving out to rural areas.

It's the exact opposite, urbanization is the economic trend worldwide.

Gotta follow your own dreams man, be the man you want to be.
Not toward rural in particular, but these people moving definitely aren't looking for more urban settings lol:

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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
A patriotic person would want whats best for the country....hiding out in the middle of nowhere with a little garden and a barn with chickens isn't going to propel the US over countries like China and even India to a lesser extent as they slowly attempt to take over the tech industries of the world. Its companies like Qualcomm and Nvidia that keep the US relevant. Not Jim-Bob's feed and Lumber in Laramie Wyoming.

Dont get me wrong I wouldn't mind a little homestead out in the sticks, but everyone can't live like that.
You've got this really weird idea of rural life, a lot of people are just born into it.

Most people are not seeking out that kind of life, and people out in country aren't "hiding" from others.

Just talking economics, farming is arguably more important than any other economic activity.

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Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
Not toward rural in particular, but these people moving definitely aren't looking for more urban settings lol:

Texas and Florida both have huge cities and are among the most populous states in the USA.

They are probably just moving to the South and the Midwest for tax and cost of living reasons.

The income gap is growing, and it will continue to grow.

Rich people just get richer and leave everyone else behind, same as it always was.
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You’re a democrat which makes you immediately unpatriotic to start with. I live in the middle of nowhere and am entirely self sufficient, problem?
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The very idea of that is America in a nutshell. As long as you pay taxes from what you sell and buy then you have the right to be defended by our military, vote, openly disagree with the leaders of the country etc. a certain group is l trying to be ruined right now. Idk to what end whether it be tech advancement or various other things. But it’s very obvious change is in the air.
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Originally Posted By BeanGainClovis⏩
You've got this really weird idea of rural life, a lot of people are just born into it.

Most people are not seeking out that kind of life, and people out in country aren't "hiding" from others.

Just talking economics, farming is arguably more important than any other economic activity.

Can't eat a graphics card or a semiconductor.
I was born and raised in rural California which is an oddity. Most people my age (under the age of 40) essentially left to bigger cities for more lucrative careers. If we didn't leave (or should I say for those that didn't leave) their only options were retail (grocery stores) farming "hustling" (buying and flipping cars/lawn care businesses etc) or healthcare (which isn't everyone's cup of tea and often times doesn't pay nearly enough for how much you get raped in student loans).
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
You’re a democrat which makes you immediately unpatriotic to start with. I live in the middle of nowhere and am entirely self sufficient, problem?
Nah, not a liberal. I lean more toward fiscally conservative yet socially liberal libertarian (yes i'm aware its essentially an oxymoron)

I didn't say yourindividualway of life was bad by any means. I'm saying that everyone cannot live in the "middle of nowhere" and still make American competitive on the world stage.

For example, we can't just bulldoze the entire state of New York and turn it into some woodland farming community and expect to compete with China.
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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
Nah, not a liberal. I lean more toward fiscally conservative yet socially liberal libertarian (yes i'm aware its essentially an oxymoron)

I didn't say yourindividualway of life was bad by any means. I'm saying that everyone cannot live in the "middle of nowhere" and still make American competitive on the world stage.

For example, we can't just bulldoze the entire state of New York and turn it into some woodland farming community and expect to compete with China.
Regarding that last paragraph? Nobody said we should. The hard fact is that less than 1% of the population has what it takes to live in a rural area off the grid, that’s why it’s so rare and why almost all people that try it don’t like it and move back to the city. I can assure you nobody is leaving the cities in droves to live in rural areas. I would almost bet it’s the other way around as kids us ranch/farm kids are told to go to college, get a degree and move to town/city to get a good job and not have to labor like their parents did. The average age of a farmer is ~70 years old bro.
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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
A patriotic person would want whats best for the country....hiding out in the middle of nowhere with a little garden and a barn with chickens isn't going to propel the US over countries like China and even India to a lesser extent as they slowly attempt to take over the tech industries of the world. Its companies like Qualcomm and Nvidia that keep the US relevant. Not Jim-Bob's feed and Lumber in Laramie Wyoming.

Dont get me wrong I wouldn't mind a little homestead out in the sticks, but everyone can't live like that.
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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
I was born and raised in rural California which is an oddity. Most people my age (under the age of 40) essentially left to bigger cities for more lucrative careers. If we didn't leave (or should I say for those that didn't leave) their only options were retail (grocery stores) farming "hustling" (buying and flipping cars/lawn care businesses etc) or healthcare (which isn't everyone's cup of tea and often times doesn't pay nearly enough for how much you get raped in student loans).
Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
Nah, not a liberal. I lean more toward fiscally conservative yet socially liberal libertarian (yes i'm aware its essentially an oxymoron)

I didn't say yourindividualway of life was bad by any means. I'm saying that everyone cannot live in the "middle of nowhere" and still make American competitive on the world stage.

For example, we can't just bulldoze the entire state of New York and turn it into some woodland farming community and expect to compete with China.
Then you understand that most people do not have this deep desire to move out into the country like you posted. Urbanization is pulling a lot of the young workers out of the rural areas and small towns. This has been the trend since the dawn of the industrial revolution.

Everyone is definitely not trying to move out to the country. It doesn't seem like anyone is trying to turn NY into a woodland farming community? I feel like someone is influencing your idea of what Americans want in general.

Rural California is really nice, very pretty country out there. The only reason I moved to the big city, just like everyone else, was to get a higher paying job. Now that I finally found a job like this, I'm going back down South and saving up for some land to build a home on.

I don't think everyone is doing the same, I would say very few people are doing this. Most are going in the opposite direction, and I don't think it makes them more or less patriotic.
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Sounds a lot more peaceful than city life.

But a proper grind as shown on Clarkson's Farm (Prime).

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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
What our nation was founded on may have worked in the 18th-20th century, but with the dawn of the internet and ecommerce moving at the speed of fiber optics we will get left in the dust if we lean toward isolationism.
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