My buddy is pretty reasonable, don't know what he's considered at this point but he's about to be an associate professor of infectious disease after completing his ID fellowship that went on for several years. I think his takes are pretty agreeable, figured I would show a reasonable, educated perspective to you fine *******s from someone who has done extensive research as part of his career.

I'll sum up what he said instead of posting the entire convo:

- The media's complete bias and branding everyone not immediately jumping to get it as idiots has made a lot of hesitant people unwilling to get it, whereas vaccine deniers would always refuse.
- Anyone that is not a woman under 40 would be better off getting it, since they are the group where clots from the vaccine are equal to clots from the disease
- Not everyone needs to get it, the goal should be 70-80%. Individuals can decide for themselves but the average American should get it (aka all the fat unhealthy fcks, we should be good assuming any of you actually lift)
- Using mortality is not really accurate compared to DOOR (desirability of outcome ranking), which looks at short term effects and long term effects compared to getting the vax. One day of bad reaction to the vaccine is better than two weeks of being symptomatic
- Mask data is very flimsy. If used properly they are pretty effective but almost no one uses them properly. I remember when I was a hospital supervisor at the beginning of the pandemic response, infectious disease and educators gave us very specific advice or they were useless: can't re-use surgical masks for more than a day at most, can't touch the mask with your fingers, can't take it off or put it below your chin to eat/drink then put back on, etc. All the people wearing their cloth masks for weeks are probably getting minimal benefit.
I lol at him for still wearing masks in public, he says he wears them in stores but just likes wearing them. JFL. Asked him why wearing a mask would reduce severity of symptoms since the virus gets into your body either way, he says infectious dose of particle exposure makes a difference for the severity of your response. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7686757)




So anyways, take from that what you will if anything, *******s. He's a pretty typical Democrat leftist but not a complete shill.

Meanwhile, you have wincel in here acting as if he's only following the experts and we should force everyone under threat to get it while he brags about being good at math.

Don't wanna get it but I'm forced to cuz I wanna travel
brb 2 week quarantine when i come back and I lose my job If i dont get the vaccine

Yeah, I may be forced to get it as well for my career. I left nursing in May where it was not mandatory, but not sure what the standard will be when I rejoin the work force in the next couple months after a few months break. I'm not completely opposed to getting it if it's deemed necessary since I would be a hospital worker taking care of patients, many who will be immunocompromised, but likely won't do it unless it's mandatory.

As I'm sure you remember 90% of hospital staff don't even wear a mask unless visiting a patient; especially in the ED

I always fukn LOL & yell when I run through there as they call for trauma rooms & the RN's are all huddled together eating



I won't speak on the vaccine but all this year our VID transfers came in vaccinated according to their charts

People don't realize that all respiratory infections can become serious; the difference is VID has been romanticized by the media endlessly



Like I said in the other thread none of my co-workers have gotten the VID jabs because although we don't work in research; we know vaccines average 10-12 years before they're safely tested/approved initially

Had the VID last summer with the only symptom being a low-grade fever for 36 hours; I only knew to get tested from the mandatory temporal reading

MID of a virion has studies showing it can be as low as ONE. At that point it's not a matter of if you are going to be exposed but when.

Every single study of masks in real life settings even with high adherence to be zero or close to zero difference. The CDC in 2019 analyzed a bunch of RCTs spanning 70 years and also found them to be ineffective. Then the following year they say "mask up to save grandma"

TFS.

It's nice to get the perspective of people in the field, even if it is anecdotal.

Said in another thread that frontline medical workers encounter more individuals directly and/or hear about the experiences of other medical workers.

That being said I'm not a vaccine denier for the ones that are at risk but for myself as a very healthy male in my 30s that has already gotten the VID....no thanks Jeff, I have no need for it

Short for COVID-19. Sometimes "the VID".

I haven't worked in the hospital since the beginning of May so I don't know how things are now. I assume with the vaccines rolled out people don't care at all anymore, though they stopped caring nearly as much it seems like back in January or so. Then again, I think that's when the vaccine was available to us as front-line staff, but I know a lot of the people who were lenient didn't get it yet.

I worked primarily ICU as a float pool nurse and we generally wore our masks, though a LOT of people started taking them off among each other while chitchatting or when eating in the breakroom before we started rolling out vaccines. Recall a surgeon fussing at me and this babe flirting with each other, think we had our masks on but weren't six feet away JFL. I remember a hospitalist yelled at me because I lifted my face shield while standing across the room from here, and again for opening the door to step out into the hallway to grab a computer on wheels right outside the room without taking off my PPE (which is...fully acceptable to do). She was being a giant kunt so I just left the room and let her finish admitting the patient on her end and came back when she had left.

On the other hand, I recall some female ER doctor probably back in like October who threw her N95 mask into the trashcan outside the room full of discarded PPE, then grabbed it again and said "oh yeah we're reusing these." JFL. We also pretended you could re-use N95s for five shifts if they were sterilized each time. No way there was any data to support that. They kept using the 'five times' rule for a bunch of chit, I know they just made it up.

JFL. A lot of people stopped giving any fcks after probably 6 months, though some people were still nazis about it. I remember these two ICU nurses told me they were going to get the jab from employee health and I told them to enjoy becoming lizard people.He said there are good studies about their efficacy when used right, didn't ask him to show them to me though. Either way, I am not wearing a mask out in public either.It's been very interesting JFL. As a house supervisor at night I was the main administrator on duty and dealt with so much random chit it was unreal. I was ready to strangle half the staff in the hospital and 3/4ths of the patients by the time I quit. I went at it with the ER staff so many times and though I never write up anyone, I started going hard on some other people because I knew they were writing people up for the smallest infractions. I think every workplace became incredibly toxic and everyone was so fearful and anxious and just pissy that things became intolerable. Don't know how they are now as I've done nothing but chill and do my thing for over two months now.Agreed, though I don't know if I've gotten the VID, but I did take direct care of them almost exclusively for at least a year. I never get sick with anything, think I've had food poisoning once when I was an early teenager and a stomach virus for a half day over a decade ago. Not worried.

My buddy brought up Regeneron to me when I told him I bet Kamala Harris has the vid since she checked in for a 'routine doctor visit' to Walter Reed after those positive Texas dems were in her presence JFL. Hadn't heard of it until then. Apparently one of the treatments Trump received when he got it. We gave remdesivir (I don't think it did anything) and dexamethasone (a corticosteroid, I'm sure it did help). As for whether there will be an anti-viral pill, probably eventually. Maybe some sort of oral prednisone or something would be mildly effective, don't know the pharmaceutical side and haven't been keeping track of chit since I quit, but I imagine there is a bit incentive to find anything that works.

I don't know what the data is on that, but from personal experience, out of all of the hundreds of patients I saw from the beginning until May all of them were having it for the first time. There were some people which would test positive, negative, positive, negative, positive, negative over the course of like a two month hospitalization and remained in hospitalization, so I don't know. We had a standard that you had to have two consecutive negatives before we considered you safe to leave the COVID designated areas. I didn't trust those tests at all honestly. Because of chit like that I think our infection prevention people said after 14 days we could treat patients as if they were no longer shedding the virus. But I don't think I ever heard of anyone coming in, say, two months later after their initial infection, and having it again.

Chances are you've already had it unless you've sat inside your home for 18 months

A large portion of infected are/have been asymptomatic as I was
Yes you can get it again due to our innate & adaptive immune systems, the virus will continue to adapt to it's surrounding hosts just as Influenza has for thousands of years

It's not going anywhere & eventually we will have annual vaccinations for it as well

That's valid, I imagine you can get different strain but I would be surprised if you get the same exact virus multiple times, at least to a symptomatic degree where you notice it. My time with COVID patients, I assume all of them within my area basically had the same strain.

Ur friend is right about most of that, but wrong about the women thing since even women under 40, while having elevated risk of clotting (with J&J) still have lower risk from vaccine over virus.

That masks help isn't flimsy. Even if people aren't using them that well, it is still better than nothing.

The first thing is an opinion, and he's wrong. He's one of those "let the truth speak for itself and win ppl over" humans. Give him a couple of days on misc and bitchute and he will become a reactionary like me who wants the propagandists executed.

Everything else ur friend said I agree with and have advised.

Since u read Carlo Rovelli, ur obviously the type of retard who is easily swayed by media sensationalism over actual data.

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Been a while since I took microbiology, but your immune system basically becomes primed to react to an intrusion by a virus that it 'reads' as familiar and rapidly produces antibodies/various immune system cells to defend against it. Viruses are constantly mutating, with each mutation having no 'driven' purpose so they can either be good or bad, but they mutate so much that there will be some viruses that have changed enough to either not be perfectly read by the immune system so it doesn't respond as well, or develop defenses against the specific immune response. The flu is usually strain A or B and the flu vaccination you receive for the season is tailored to whichever one is the dominant strain they predict will be an issue in a particular year. Like the other medical brah said, in this sense you will probably start receiving an annual vaccination against the dominant strain unless the mrna tech works differently or they find some sort of alternative that works better.

I very much doubt there will be a point where everyone takes it out of all the billions of people on the planet. They did manage to eliminate smallpox through aggressive vaccination efforts in the areas where it still existed but something like that is incredibly rare.

I find it way more likely it will remain endemic like the flu. I don't always take the flu vaccine because as I mentioned earlier, I never become sick so some years I just don't bother unless there is next to no inconvenience. I took the flu vaccine this past year because I was working a night shift and one of the nurses was checked off to administer them to staff, had the vaccine there, and could give it to me with one jab. If the situation is that easy and one mild jab then sure, I'll likely take it. I've roided so getting stuck with a needle doesn't matter to me.

I don't know if we will ever go back to the point where antivaxxers were nothing more than a small group of hippie leftists, whereas it's now become a politicized issue associated with the right.

There's definitely a retard subset of the population that is just stupid. Like believing a microchip or the mark of the beast is being implanted. After some number of years, if studies/stats show relative safety and there's transparency about it, greater numbers of hesitant people will switch over. It'll never be every single person, definitely not. But if there's no difference between getting a covid vaccine and the tdap or MMR or flu vaccine, then I don't see why many fencesitters wouldn't.

I don't think big pharm or the government is to be trusted regardless though. Watching how the left has flipflopped on big pharm is interesting. But in the case of the vaccine, if time proves safety, then it will certainly tip in the direction of being more accepted. A lot of people are reacting poorly to negative reinforcement from authority as to be expected, and there are some valid concerns with the lack of information we have.