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Death toll counting

Must admit I have been enjoying the daily Covid stat reporting from the UK government... just from an interest point of view.

It has also been an incredibly effective tool in scaremongering the general public...

So why can’t we report daily deaths from other stuff such as Heart disease, certain cancers, diabetes etc?

The daily deaths of people WITH covid (not even necessarily even FROM covid) caused a massive amount of people to want to throw all of their freedoms and life’s little luxuries away... so maybe these same people will be scared into putting down the cake or cigarette if they saw chit like obesity/smoker related deaths per day?

Just food for thought tbh.
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Did you watch Cummings interview on BBC, for someone so based he pretty much shat on the whole herd immunity fuk covid it's just a flu hurdy durr angle at this point, I think we've pretty much all adopted.
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I wish people took alcohol and smoking as seriously as covid. We'd dramatically improve society. Fewer heart attacks, fewer strokes, fewer rapes, fewer cases of domestic violence and child abuse, fewer car accidents, fewer assaults, and the most important one of all -- fewer suicides.
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
Did you watch Cummings interview on BBC, for someone so based he pretty much shat on the whole herd immunity fuk covid it's just a flu hurdy durr angle at this point, I think we've pretty much all adopted.
Nah, I don’t watch anything BBC, it’s all propaganda. I refuse to fund that.

For all these alleged infections, I only know one guy who actually tested positive and he felt absolutely fine.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I wish people took alcohol and smoking as seriously as covid. We'd dramatically improve society. Fewer heart attacks, strokes, rapes, cases of domestic violence and child abuse, fewer assaults, and the most important one of all -- fewer suicides.
Yup. Putting extra tax on sugar/alcohol and cigarettes hasn’t really helped, neither has ongoing campaigns, putting gross images of smoking related health affects on cigarette packaging (in the UK anyways). None of this has helped.

So maybe we just need to hit hard with the same death toll reporting that is being used for Covid? Might wake some folks up?
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
Nah, I don’t watch anything BBC, it’s all propaganda. I refuse to fund that.

For all these alleged infections, I only know one guy who actually tested positive and he felt absolutely fine.
I only know, personally, actually two people that tested positive & one was on a ventilator (mid 20s fatty) and another who had a rough headache for about 36hrs (mid 20s, out of shape)

I've heard of plenty of old timers that died though.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I wish people took alcohol and smoking as seriously as covid. We'd dramatically improve society. Fewer heart attacks, fewer strokes, fewer rapes, fewer cases of domestic violence and child abuse, fewer car accidents, fewer assaults, and the most important one of all -- fewer suicides.
When you say "people", what you are actually referring to is the government. Just say that you want a totalitarian government that controls every aspect of everyones' lives.
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
When you say "people", what you are actually referring to is the government. Just say that you want a totalitarian government that controls every aspect of everyones' lives.
Okay. I want a totalitarian government that controls every aspect of everyones' lives because clearly you idiots are unfit to make your own decisions.

I mean people have known about the harms of alcohol and smoking for decades. They kill more people than covid btw.
Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
Yup. Putting extra tax on sugar/alcohol and cigarettes hasn’t really helped, neither has ongoing campaigns, putting gross images of smoking related health affects on cigarette packaging (in the UK anyways). None of this has helped.

So maybe we just need to hit hard with the same death toll reporting that is being used for Covid? Might wake some folks up?
Yeah. Imagine an ad campaign over how harmful alcohol is. The smoking one did a good job reducing smoking in America. If they did one for alcohol, it would have a huge improvement on public health and crime.
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For every 1 covid death in 2020, the NET GAIN to world population was +31

Let that sink in.
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Lol, I hope nome of you guys are thinking I am even slightly inferring that the Government should force its citizens to eat a certain way or stop people drinking etc...

All I am suggesting is to give the people daily factual information about hospitalisations and deaths of lifestyle related afflictions.

If an diabetic obese person catches the news at 6 and it has a little list of the days death statistics and they see that 600 people have died today from the beetus... might make them stop and think, and then they can make a more informed decision on that takeaway they were thinking of ordering.

Why not use the reporting infrastructure that has been created for Covid and utilise it to help tackle our other health concerns? Let people do what they want but bombard them with information about the consequences.
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Something similar happened in the U.S. after 9/11. People were (and still are actually) perfectly content to lose some liberty for protection.
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
Lol, I hope nome of you guys are thinking I am even slightly inferring that the Government should force its citizens to eat a certain way or stop people drinking etc...

All I am suggesting is to give the people daily factual information about hospitalisations and deaths of lifestyle related afflictions.

If an diabetic obese person catches the news at 6 and it has a little list of the days death statistics and they see that 600 people have died today from the beetus... might make them stop and think, and then they can make a more informed decision on that takeaway they were thinking of ordering.

Why not use the reporting infrastructure that has been created for Covid and utilise it to help tackle our other health concerns? Let people do what they want but bombard them with information about the consequences.
My only counter to that is that we know very little about nutrition. For example, each person has a different colon size and absorption, baseline metabolic rate, allergies and food sensitivity, level of activity, etc. It would be difficult for the government to set appropriate nutritional and dietary regulations for each person. They should certainly encourage a healthy lifestyle, but there is currently no operational way for the government to regulate food intake. It is also about as difficult to regulate as sex, meaning it won't be effective at all. Hungry people will find ways to eat. Horny people will find ways to fuk. These things, being integral to human survival, are going to be the most difficult things to regulate.
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
Nah, I don’t watch anything BBC, it’s all propaganda. I refuse to fund that.

For all these alleged infections, I only know one guy who actually tested positive and he felt absolutely fine.
I tested positive yesterday. Zero symptoms and can work out exactly like before. Funny how a respiratory disease let me do intense skipping cardio yesterday
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Did you see the project veritas with the CNN guy talking about why they have stats showing 24/7?

Go watch it. It's the exact same thing. BBC is no better than CNN.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
My only counter to that is that we know very little about nutrition. For example, each person has a different colon size and absorption, baseline metabolic rate, allergies and food sensitivity, level of activity, etc. It would be difficult for the government to set appropriate nutritional and dietary regulations for each person. They should certainly encourage a healthy lifestyle, but there is currently no operational way for the government to regulate food intake. It is also about as difficult to regulate as sex, meaning it won't be effective at all. Hungry people will find ways to eat. Horny people will find ways to fuk. These things, being integral to human survival, are going to be the most difficult things to regulate.
We also know very little about Covid, everyone has different immune systems, allergies, susceptibility, immunity etc...

I get what you are saying but it shouldn’t be for the government to create nutritional guidelines, it’s up to the individual to know and monitor their own health. Most obese people are aware that they are fat, they are also aware that they are gaining or that they are pre-diabetic for instance. So seeing the news that 600 people today died from obesity related diabetes might just be the kick up the backside they needed to be a bit more careful with their own health?

On a similar note, we have a “daily recommended calorie allowance” printed on most of our foods. Puts women at 2000 kcals a day.... That is a massive amount for my body. I am only 5ft1, and my BMR is around 1300 kcals... If I ate 2000 kcals a day and lived an average sedentary lifestyle... I would be gaining about a lb a week! So I take issue with that sort of guidance being spouted at people when it can vary so much. People need to be accountable for themselves, just give some some proven facts and let them make the choice.

Just something like this...

Daily deaths (not real stats obvs!)
Lung cancer - 450
Diabetes - 600
Heart disease - 650
Covid -65
Childbirth - 3
Domestic murder - 2
Labrador attacks - 9000+

Then people can either go “oh ****, I am diabetic/getting battered about/own a Labrador... that could be me, how can I reduce my risk?!”... or “Meh, won’t happen to me”. Up to them.
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I tested positive yesterday. Zero symptoms and can work out exactly like before. Funny how a respiratory disease let me do intense skipping cardio yesterday
You may not actually have the disease, the CDC has reported that the tests are highly faulty and often give false positives.

Even if you did have it, this faulty testing method vastly inflates the figures reported in the media regarding its danger and spread.

So the virus may not actually pose any danger at all.
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
We also know very little about Covid, everyone has different immune systems, allergies, susceptibility, immunity etc...

I get what you are saying but it shouldn’t be for the government to create nutritional guidelines, it’s up to the individual to know and monitor their own health. Most obese people are aware that they are fat, they are also aware that they are gaining or that they are pre-diabetic for instance. So seeing the news that 600 people today died from obesity related diabetes might just be the kick up the backside they needed to be a bit more careful with their own health?

On a similar note, we have a “daily recommended calorie allowance” printed on most of our foods. Puts women at 2000 kcals a day.... That is a massive amount for my body. I am only 5ft1, and my BMR is around 1300 kcals... If I ate 2000 kcals a day and lived an average sedentary lifestyle... I would be gaining about a lb a week! So I take issue with that sort of guidance being spouted at people when it can vary so much. People need to be accountable for themselves, just give some some proven facts and let them make the choice.

Just something like this...

Daily deaths (not real stats obvs!)
Lung cancer - 450
Diabetes - 600
Heart disease - 650
Covid -65
Childbirth - 3
Domestic murder - 2
Labrador attacks - 9000+

Then people can either go “oh ****, I am diabetic/getting battered about/own a Labrador... that could be me, how can I reduce my risk?!”... or “Meh, won’t happen to me”. Up to them.
We know a lot more about covid's immediate risks than we do to develop optimized personal meal plans for every citizen. Come on, man!

They do report on obesity all the time. It is common knowledge that obesity is very bad for your health.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
We know a lot more about covid's immediate risks than we do to develop optimized personal meal plans for every citizen. Come on, man!

They do report on obesity all the time. It is common knowledge that obesity is very bad for your health.
I just said that the government shouldn’t be developing meal plans for people. They should just be telling you how many people died from obesity related diabetes. Then people can do their best to ensure that they aren’t part of next week’s statistics, if they want to.
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
I just said that the government shouldn’t be developing meal plans for people. They should just be telling you how many people died from obesity related diabetes. Then people can do their best to ensure that they aren’t part of next week’s statistics, if they want to.
I do agree that death stats ought to be reported often. Our government has stifled that kind of reporting because of the negative impacts it may have on the restaurant industry, pretty much all major beverage and junk food companies, alcohol and smoking companies, entertainment industry (where drugs and alcohol commonly go hand in hand with it), gun industry [medical studies on firearm ownership and suicide/homicide risks etc were actually banned for many years in the US at the behest of the NRA], and also, paradoxically, the pharmaceutical and healthcare/cosmetic surgery industries [these indirectly benefit from people developing lifelong conditions they can treat].

Oh also the fitness industry, which benefits from scamming people into thinking they can exercise their way out of a bad diet or look like a god without medical enhancements.

All of these competing interests make it impossible to get the word out.

When you consider how influential Wal Mart, Coca Cola, and McDonalds are, it should come as no shocker why there is no aggressive ad campaign for improving the health of citizens. The only reason people are taking covid seriously is that covid presents a tangible risk to the economy and the ability of our beloved companies to operate efficiently.
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
Must admit I have been enjoying the daily Covid stat reporting from the UK government... just from an interest point of view.

It has also been an incredibly effective tool in scaremongering the general public...

So why can’t we report daily deaths from other stuff such as Heart disease, certain cancers, diabetes etc?

The daily deaths of people WITH covid (not even necessarily even FROM covid) caused a massive amount of people to want to throw all of their freedoms and life’s little luxuries away... so maybe these same people will be scared into putting down the cake or cigarette if they saw chit like obesity/smoker related deaths per day?

Just food for thought tbh.
You don't make money by people NOT buying your products.

People know the risks anyway and still eat like chit and smoke/drink. It'll be interesting to see if a daily death toll would change that. It doesn't matter anyway, whatever they want these people to do they can get them to do it.
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Remember when Bloomberg tried to tax sugary drinks and ban stuff like the big gulp? It was met with massive resistance. At best, we can try to get more doctors on TV to advocate for a helathy lifestyle. It would be helpful.

I suspect that covid has made people more aware of public health in general. That is the silver lining of all of this.
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Originally Posted By capowt⏩
You don't make money by people NOT buying your products.

People know the risks anyway and still eat like chit and smoke/drink. It'll be interesting to see if a daily death toll would change that. It doesn't matter anyway, whatever they want these people to do they can get them to do it.
Understand that, but we have a slight difference in the UK with our healthcare being “free”.

Obesity related illness costs our NHS over £5billion a year... and that figure is increasing every year.

Funny that it’s mostly the fat POS here in the UK bleating about wanting more lockdowns to help save the NHS from being overstretched and about nurses poor wages etc... they don’t give a crap about the toll of their fatness on the NHS though.

That £5billion could go a long way to improving our health care system, or even just giving our wonderful nurses a bit of pay increase.

But nah, to them, cake is clearly more important than the NHS, and since they want lockdowns to help the NHS.... then the NHS is more important than our freedom...

So cake > free society.
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
Understand that, but we have a slight difference in the UK with our healthcare being “free”.

Obesity related illness costs our NHS over £5billion a year... and that figure is increasing every year.

Funny that it’s mostly the fat POS here in the UK bleating about wanting more lockdowns to help save the NHS from being overstretched and about nurses poor wages etc... they don’t give a crap about the toll of their fatness on the NHS though.

That £5billion could go a long way to improving our health care system, or even just giving our wonderful nurses a bit of pay increase.

But nah, to them, cake is clearly more important than the NHS, and since they want lockdowns to help the NHS.... then the NHS is more important than our freedom...

So cake > free society.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Remember when Bloomberg tried to tax sugary drinks and ban stuff like the big gulp? It was met with massive resistance. At best, we can try to get more doctors on TV to advocate for a helathy lifestyle. It would be helpful.

I suspect that covid has made people more aware of public health in general. That is the silver lining of all of this.
Not something I would remember tbh. We now have a “sugar tax” here in UK. Standard coke/Fanta for instance is more expensive than their sugar free counterparts.
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Did nearly all other healthcare stop for 2020 in the UK like it did in the US? We had a large number of people dying from a heart attack, strokes, their diabetes last year because they were afraid to go to the hospital. And suddenly cancer diagnosis disappeared last year because people were screened, so many thousands of excess cancer deaths are built into the next few years. Ditto on cardiovascular issues. Similar in the UK?
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
Not something I would remember tbh. We now have a “sugar tax” here in UK. Standard coke/Fanta for instance is more expensive than their sugar free counterparts.
I think it's a good idea, but muh freedomz types would disagree. It is interesting though because would they tax 100% natural orange juice? It has a calorie count as high as coca cola lol. Natural, cold pressed juice prices are already insane, and robbing the world of these is honestly pretty fked up imo. I'm pretty sure if the govt banned my Columbia Gorge OJ or my blackberry smoothies, I'd have to lead a violent revolution. I mean I can always make them at home, but it costs even more than buying the premade stuff, and I end up with a lot more smoothie than I wanted and would ever be considered healthy lol.



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post 1643566473 07-25-2021, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20⏩
Did nearly all other healthcare stop for 2020 in the UK like it did in the US? We had a large number of people dying from a heart attack, strokes, their diabetes last year because they were afraid to go to the hospital. And suddenly cancer diagnosis disappeared last year because people were screened, so many thousands of excess cancer deaths are built into the next few years. Ditto on cardiovascular issues. Similar in the UK?
Well my mums cancer appointments got suspended due to lockdown, in that time her experimental cancer treatment stopped being effective and her rapid deterioration went unnoticed. She died within months.

She didn’t die of Covid, but her death was helped along nicely by lockdown.





Wincel... looks pike your fruit juice is safe from the UK Sugar Tax increases

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/check-if...-industry-levy
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post 1643566963 07-25-2021, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
Well my mums cancer appointments got suspended due to lockdown, in that time her experimental cancer treatment stopped being effective and her rapid deterioration went unnoticed. She died within months.

She didn’t die of Covid, but her death was helped along nicely by lockdown.





Wincel... looks pike your fruit juice is safe from the UK Sugar Tax increases

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/check-if...-industry-levy
See but that's kind of unfair right? Why are juices safe when they are just as harmful calorically? lol see these policies aren't driven by science, but public opinion, rather.
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