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post 1650603953 11-11-2021, 12:25 AM
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Why is it so hard to find good employees?

Well my jr. paralegal quit today.

Said he rather work outside. He has been taking a lot of “sick” days helping his parents with building their new house. Then said he’s just working too much and walked out around 2pm.

It seems since Covid it’s been ridiculously hard to find a good employee that wants to stay in the job.

He was a great employee, very smart.

He does find the job stressful, had a lot of anxiety but he had his own office, 1 1/2 lunch breaks, gets to walk the dogs serval times a day if he wanted tools and mental health days. I try to make it comfortable. As long as his work gets done, I’m happy

I pay well, even gave him his Xmas bonus early because he over spent on his vacation cruise last month and was needing money for bills. I offer 300 dollars a month for health insurance and 23 dollars an hour.

Since Covid this is the third employee to quit the jr paralegal job. I hate training new people, idk what else to do.

Ideally, I would like someone who has experience over any type of degree. But most of all I would just like an employee that shows up consistently, works efficiently and sticks with the job.

What else can I offer to find a decent employee? Do people just not want to work?
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post 1650604013 11-11-2021, 12:27 AM
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post 1650604093 11-11-2021, 12:33 AM
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i may resign from my trash job soon, idk. society is garbage, nothing to buy, etc., lots of reasons to not work or as hard
post 1650604103 11-11-2021, 12:33 AM
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Aren’t you in California? If so, $23/hr seems light to me, srs. I live in South Dakota and a paralegal here earns probably slightly more than that. Without knowing anything other than that, I’d assume you need to be closer to $40/hr to keep someone.


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post 1650604113 11-11-2021, 12:34 AM
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im a good worker but will most likely be 5-10-15-30mins late everyday, is that okay for you?
Originally Posted By davik⏩
i may resign from my trash job soon, idk. society is garbage, nothing to buy, etc., lots of reasons to not work or as hard
feels.. nothing to buy

then again you're in australia so maybe you mean literally
post 1650604153 11-11-2021, 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted By MoeBettuh⏩
Aren’t you in California? If so, $23/hr seems light to me, srs. I live in South Dakota and a paralegal here earns probably slightly more than that. Without knowing anything other than that, I’d assume you need to be closer to $40/hr to keep someone.


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jr paralegal is entry level high school degree. Our Head paralegal makes 60 an hour
Originally Posted By Sterilite⏩
im a good worker but will most likely be 5-10-15-30mins late everyday, is that okay for you?




feels.. nothing to buy

then again you're in australia so maybe you mean literally
any time between 8:30-9:30 I’d be ok with
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post 1650604163 11-11-2021, 12:36 AM
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New generation dont usually work the same job they found when they were a teen until retirement.

They aint like the lady that worked in the same bakery your entire lifd
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Not all businesses are the same, the quality/size of the business attracts a similar level of talent I think. Motivation is the same.

I'm starting my own company soon, but the owner of my current company is very no bs, no extra perks or anything or coddling.

When it comes down to it, it's all about the bottom line. I understand that the purpose of a business is profit, and a worker is there to generate revenue.

The more I generate, the more I make, and the sooner I can start my own company. Make your employees aware of exactly how the financials work, and the exact numbers involved.

Then they will understand exactly what needs to be done, how the whole thing is a combined effort, what's at stake, and what rewards are in store.

Just my two cents.
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post 1650604223 11-11-2021, 12:43 AM
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lol $23/hr in commifornia? you can make more working for uber eats
post 1650604243 11-11-2021, 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted By Sinan09400⏩
New generation dont usually work the same job they found when they were a teen until retirement.

They aint like the lady that worked in the same bakery your entire lifd
This is true, maybe they left just for personal reasons.

I would not look at your employees as like spoiled kids that you must coddle and persuade with treats and perks.

Just treat them like mature adults, be direct and firm, otherwise they might take advantage of your kindness.

The most successful businessmen I've ever known were easy to get along with and brutally honest, the numbers they put on the board speak for themselves.

That's really what it comes down to IMO, numbers on the board. The cash money, everything else is secondary to the numbers. Also good for reducing costs.
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post 1650604263 11-11-2021, 12:48 AM
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People were making 25/hr @ the steel mill back when my parents were young, and the dollar was way stronger lol.

23/hr?

Wtf is that going to get you when the CPI is running over 6%?
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post 1650604293 11-11-2021, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted By 8pieces⏩
lol $23/hr in commifornia? you can make more working for uber eats
no I don’t live in California

Average entry level jobs here make 8 dollars an hour
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post 1650604303 11-11-2021, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted By snailsrus⏩
He was a great employee, very smart.
He does find the job stressful
23 dollars an hour.
Probably just wanted to piss away his lifetime some other place, probably less stressful and ideally more lucrative
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Do you have a safe space room for him for when he gets stressed? Did you give him enough mental health days?
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post 1650604363 11-11-2021, 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted By DSTEE⏩
Probably just wanted to piss away his lifetime some other place, probably less stressful and ideally more lucrative
This too.

The incentives weren't enough, and there was a more valuable option the employee had available.

Economics is the study of choices, and people are choosing what you have just isn't good enough.

You have to up the incentive or keep dealing with the problem.
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post 1650604393 11-11-2021, 12:58 AM
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Any decent jobs require 1-2 years of experience even an entry level.
There’s no point jn staying with lower tier entry level when you can bounce on to the next one after getting some experience and increase your salary by 10k.+ if you are under the 100k brackets

Ex I’m in lowest tier entry level it only getting paid 18 an hour, higher cht tier entry level starts at 25+ but want a year of experience, I’ve been at my current job 3 months and trying to bounce whenever I can.

These days if you want to make money you just have to keep jumping ship because Jobs have unrealistic job requirements

A conundrum jn the job market
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post 1650604403 11-11-2021, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted By Sterilite⏩
im a good worker but will most likely be 5-10-15-30mins late everyday, is that okay for you?




feels.. nothing to buy

then again you're in australia so maybe you mean literally
I don't buy anything.

Once you have a car + house - what do you spend your money on exactly?
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does he spread your ass cheeks while your husband is away
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Pay better. Simple.




I’m a contractor, and I hope I can stay that way till retirement.

However, I did spend a lot of my life on a salary, and I’d have taken any amount of chit for the right money.

Pay more money.

But as an employer you know that already, yet prefer to whinge about ‘can’t get the staff blah blah’ and ‘muh industry average’
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I trust probably in the neighborhood of 1% of people to exercise professionalism.

Do you think the top 1% of talent wants to work for the same wage they can earn walking in the door of any retail shop?
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Originally Posted By LargePeter⏩
I got 200 online applications for a job I advertised before this Kung Flu bullchit started; last month I advertised a similar full time role and got 16.

Very few people wanting to work here vs before because until recently the government has effectively paid people to stay at home.


I've got a short list of candidates for a new role in my business; 6 people from within the industry who are all wanting to come into my business - but I've also had calls from people asking for jobs at random now with no experience whatsoever - I'm assuming they are no longer getting free money

TL;DR - headhunt someone if they are worth it. Might have to pay them a little more but you'll get someone who wants to work and knows the role
I would think you would find that intelligent if you can be paid to do nothing and get more money - that sounds like a wise decision.
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How much do you pay your workers
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Originally Posted By Fang2⏩
How much do you pay your workers
She said 23/hr for this position.

You read the OP, shorty?
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post 1650604643 11-11-2021, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted By LargePeter⏩
I got 200 online applications for a job I advertised before this Kung Flu bullchit started; last month I advertised a similar full time role and got 16.

Very few people wanting to work here vs before because until recently the government has effectively paid people to stay at home.


I've got a short list of candidates for a new role in my business; 6 people from within the industry who are all wanting to come into my business - but I've also had calls from people asking for jobs at random now with no experience whatsoever - I'm assuming they are no longer getting free money

TL;DR - headhunt someone if they are worth it. Might have to pay them a little more but you'll get someone who wants to work and knows the role
I did a listing online and had similar results

Either they only want to work part time
No experience with excel and word
Etc

I used to get tons of good resumes when I would list a job

If the person was really good, had the experience to jump into the job without months of training, and was committed to the job, I’d gladly pay 35-40 an hour. I feel I’ve wasted so much money and time on training already
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Sift through the applicants more thoroughly. Look for nerdy bookworms who are likely to be more loyal and have less social life. I know what you feel though, past couple of years have made it clear people have no issues leaving at any given time even if you do everything right. In fact, if you give more, they are more likely to take advantage of you.
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Originally Posted By LargePeter⏩
I'm on recharge as well but I gave you a neg to pass on for me when you are off recharge
Negged to complete the chain lol.

Enjoy it.
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dat feel when lookin to get back to work after being off all year and my options will be slightly above min wage doin security until i figure out wat I want to do with myself
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Originally Posted By LargePeter⏩
FFS, I can't pass it back, on recharge. And I think it's because I repped you at some point.

Life isn't fair.
It's all good, bro

I honestly still like you (no hom.o)
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Originally Posted By snailsrus⏩
I did a listing online and had similar results

Either they only want to work part time
No experience with excel and word
Etc

I used to get tons of good resumes when I would list a job

If the person was really good, had the experience to jump into the job without months of training, and was committed to the job, I’d gladly pay 35-40 an hour. I feel I’ve wasted so much money and time on training already
is that it?

brah, i learned microsoft word and excel in 2003

brb just looked up some jr paralegal jobs
How you will make an impact

- Ensure copies are clear-cut copies of the original documents

- Electronically filing documents

- Oversee computer database input and retrieval

- Prep copier and scanner for documents

- Group documents and assemble data as directed by lawyers and paralegals

- Oversee matter management and record keeping

- Inspect and retrieve electronic documents from a variety of court and agency web sites

- Form correspondence and memorandum

- Implement word processing, filing and faxing

- Oversee legal research and investigative tasks, including obtaining information or documents from outside parties, as directed
sounds like some ez officcel job
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Originally Posted By Sterilite⏩
is that it?

brah, i learned microsoft word and excel in 2003

brb just looked up some jr paralegal jobs



sounds like some ez officcel job
Paralegals essentially can do everything the modern lawyer does, outside litigation.

I have two friends that are lawyers, and paralegals get dogged hard.

Sucky ass job, with shyt pay.

That's why they leave.
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