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post 1656909913 02-25-2022, 09:04 PM
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Pretty sure I have the most rational explanation of the Ukraine/Russia war...

The US (NATO) started pushing east into Soviet bloc countries basically immediately after the Cold war ended (Around 1990) Even as the Sec. of state was promising Gorbachev no expansion of NATO. "Not one inch eastward" was the famous quote.

Ever since then NATO has basically flipped or gained influence over nearly all the former Eastern Bloc countries. Fast forward to 2014, there was a revolution in Ukraine. However alot of Ukranians also considered it coup sponsored by the US (when Biden was Obama's vice president).

Now Biden is "The big guy", a speculation you could associate with him being the president or however Burisma may have been implying it allegedly.

Many People in Russia believe that the current UK government is just a puppet government installed by the USA. Talks of Ukraine joining NATO have been been ramping up since Biden got elected.

Putin knew he wouldn't stand a chance defending the last bit of his border against NATO so that left him no choice but to invade in hopes of establishing his own dominance first.
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post 1656910223 02-25-2022, 09:11 PM
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Wrong.

Here's how it is:

Countries with the potential to become NATO are paid off by the US government. These leaders then do everything they can to remain in power so that dough keeps coming in.

Ukraine got their chit pushed in by being corrupted by the US dollar(which is stolen resources)
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post 1656910413 02-25-2022, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted By cavillac⏩
The US (NATO) started pushing east into Soviet bloc countries basically immediately after the Cold war ended (Around 1990) Even as the Sec. of state was promising Gorbachev no expansion of NATO. "Not one inch eastward" was the famous quote.

Ever since then NATO has basically flipped or gained influence over nearly all the former Eastern Bloc countries. Fast forward to 2014, there was a revolution in Ukraine. However alot of Ukranians also considered it coup sponsored by the US (when Biden was Obama's vice president).

Now Biden is "The big guy", a speculation you could associate with him being the president or however Burisma may have been implying it allegedly.

Many People in Russia believe that the current UK government is just a puppet government installed by the USA. Talks of Ukraine joining NATO have been been ramping up since Biden got elected.

Putin knew he wouldn't stand a chance defending the last bit of his border against NATO so that left him no choice but to invade in hopes of establishing his own dominance first.
Biden crime family wants paper trails in Ukraine destroyed. Putin bombed bio weapons facilities preventing the next plandemic. Pretty much simple as that.
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post 1656910433 02-25-2022, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
Wrong.

Here's how it is:

Countries with the potential to become NATO are paid off by the US government. These leaders then do everything they can to remain in power so that dough keeps coming in.

Ukraine got their chit pushed in by being corrupted by the US dollar(which is stolen resources)
I mean yes but just because you elaborated more in depth to what I said doesnt make me wrong lol
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post 1656910503 02-25-2022, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted By jamalfudge⏩
Putin bombed bio weapons facilities preventing the next plandemic.
Interdasting, do you have a source to reference that? Definitely an interesting wrinkle
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post 1656910583 02-25-2022, 09:20 PM
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Also war is not only historically good for the reigning political party but also the military industrial complex. Northrup Grummund, Lockheed Martin and Raytheon has had their share prices go up between 10-13% the last 6 months meanwhile all the major indexes have declined into a market correction.
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post 1656910643 02-25-2022, 09:21 PM
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That "not one inch eastward" story has been debunked.

If they cared about it that much then it would have been written down or memorialized.

Instead, the idea was shot down and was never agreed upon.




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post 1656910693 02-25-2022, 09:23 PM
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Ukraine is a puppet regime. Both the President and PM of the Ukraine are Jewish despite them making up less than 1% of the country's total population. Had they got their way and joined NATO they would've lined the border with missiles aimed at Russia. The only thing Putin is guilty of is defending the sovereignty of his nation.
post 1656910703 02-25-2022, 09:23 PM
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It's kind of interesting if you watch western news, then go watch RT Live English on youtube. Then try to decipher what is Russian propoganda and what is western propoganda
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post 1656910753 02-25-2022, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted By cavillac⏩
Also war is not only historically good for the reigning political party but also the military industrial complex. Northrup Grummund, Lockheed Martin and Raytheon has had their share prices go up between 10-13% the last 6 months meanwhile all the major indexes have declined into a market correction.
I mean it may be good for the military but everything else turns into chit. So its actually not a good thing.

Not to mention the US spend trillions yet some how can't provide freedoms to Ukrainian Hbbs in times of need. Where did all of that money go? And why spend that much if its not going to do anything?
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Originally Posted By Ramoneb87⏩
It's kind of interesting if you watch western news, then go watch RT Live English on youtube. Then try to decipher what is Russian propoganda and what is western propoganda
oooh thats a very good point honestly. Its hard for any of us to know the real at the end of the day because I bet each side could take you down numerous endless rabbit holes.
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post 1656911313 02-25-2022, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
I mean it may be good for the military but everything else turns into chit. So its actually not a good thing.

Not to mention the US spend trillions yet some how can't provide freedoms to Ukrainian Hbbs in times of need. Where did all of that money go? And why spend that much if its not going to do anything?
I totally agree. Politicans and bureaucrats are going to be the death of this country. I have pointed out on social media 2 examples of local waste of unused Covid relief funds and no one really cared. One county spent 2.5 million on buying a failing bunny ski slope and the other county was planning to blow 50 million on helping out the homeless poor in the Martin Luther King blvd. of the community just a hemorage of dollars we dont even have and they dont even try to hide it anymore lol.
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Originally Posted By cavillac⏩
I totally agree. Politicans and bureaucrats are going to be the death of this country. I have pointed out on social media 2 examples of local waste of unused Covid relief funds and no one really cared. One county spent 2.5 million on buying a failing bunny ski slope and the other county was planning to blow 50 million on helping out the homeless poor in the Martin Luther King blvd. of the community just a hemorage of dollars we dont even have and they dont even try to hide it anymore lol.
With civilian politics, I think for the most part the politicians do a decent job. There's always going to be decisions where we disagree with. But I'm more interested in military politics. Decisions made here have the most profound effects imo.
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Originally Posted By Ramoneb87⏩
It's kind of interesting if you watch western news, then go watch RT Live English on youtube. Then try to decipher what is Russian propoganda and what is western propoganda
What does the other side say?
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Ukraine had a democratically elected government in 2014 that was pretty pro-Russian and foreign actors armed and trained locals to overthrow the government.

Basically exactly what the US did in Iran back in the 1970s.

It was a coup.

The new government that rose from that is super anti-Russian and pro-American. Hence why the Bidens have such a cosy relationship with them.

This is typical US/Russian cold war era proxy war **** that has been going on since the 1950s.
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Originally Posted By eternalnoob⏩
Ukraine had a democratically elected government in 2014 that was pretty pro-Russian and foreign actors armed and trained locals to overthrow the government.

Basically exactly what the US did in Iran back in the 1970s.

It was a coup.

The new government that rose from that is super anti-Russian and pro-American. Hence why the Bidens have such a cosy relationship with them.

This is typical US/Russian cold war era proxy war **** that has been going on since the 1950s.
That makes sense.

All the more reasons to support Russia.
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
That makes sense.

All the more reasons to support Russia.
I wouldn't go that far. I don't support either side, it's not a basketball game.

But it's important from a historical perspective to at least understand the motivations behind what is happening here.
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Originally Posted By eternalnoob⏩
I wouldn't go that far. I don't support either side, it's not a basketball game.

But it's important from a historical perspective to at least understand the motivations behind what is happening here.
Well if you understand the motivations, then you'd support Russia.
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I lean towards the idea that any theory on the subject thatdoesntinvolve the freemasons is incorrect lol
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Shhh no you can't say that, he's doing it because he's an evil supervillain straight out of a Bond film and the US can do no wrong!
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
Well if you understand the motivations, then you'd support Russia.
Go back to Reddit you loser
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Originally Posted By ManletinAK2011⏩
Go back to Reddit you loser
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