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post 1660254923 04-25-2022, 04:19 PM
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Discussion on crime statistics

I got in a discussion with a woman about crime statistics. She preferred to act appalled about the facts rather than acknowledge the truth. Should we back down from a discussion when facts support the truth?

One woman said she liked Hispanics more because they were hard workers and that blacks didn't work as hard. I chimed in with "Hispanics networth are higher than blacks and second generation Hispanics were much higher than blacks.

Then the same woman said "I don't feel comfortable around black men". I chimed in and said that 18-25 year old black men are the highest violence demographic and blacks account for 60% of all violent crime while being only 13% of the population.

The other woman shook her head and said I was wrong and being racist.

Question time:
Should we just ignore facts and keep our mouth shut?

Does anybody have a good source for race and crime statistics? I used the FBI and Wikipedia.

Am I the racist?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race..._United_States

Spoiler!

According to the FBI, African-Americans accounted for 55.9% of all homicide offenders in 2019, with whites 41.1%, and "Other" 3.0% in cases where the race was known.[52] Among homicide victims in 2019 where the race was known, 54.7% were black or African-American, 42.3% were white, and 3.1% were of other races.[53][54] The per-capita offending rate for African-Americans was roughly eight times higher than that of whites, and their victim rate was similar. About half of homicides are known to be single-offender/single-victim, and most of those were intraracial; in those where the perpetrator's and victim's races were known, 81% of white victims were killed by whites and 91% of black or African-American victims were killed by blacks or African-Americans.[55]

Assault

The CDC keeps data on non-fatal injury emergency department visits and the race of victims.[56] While non-Hispanic white victims account for approximately half of total non-fatal assault injuries, most of which did not involve any weapon, black and Hispanic victims account for the vast majority of non-fatal firearm injuries. There was a total of 17.3 million emergency department visits or hospitalizations for non-fatal assaults in the United States in the 10-year period between 2007–2016. For non-fatal assaults with recorded race, 6.5 million victims were white non-Hispanic, 4.3 million black, 2.3 million Hispanic and 0.4 million other (non-Hispanic) and for 3.8 million, the race was not recorded. There were a total of 603,000 emergency department visits in the US for non-fatal firearm assaults in the 10-year period between 2007–2016. For non-fatal firearm assaults with recorded race, 77,000 victims were white non-Hispanic, 261,000 were black and 94,000 were Hispanic, 8,500 were other non-Hispanic and for 162,000 the race was not recorded. Despite gun injuries only accounting for about 3.5% of serious assault injuries between 2007 and 2016, they accounted for nearly 70% of overall homicides.[57]

While African Americans are highly overrepresented in murders and gun assaults, the disparity in arrests is smaller for the most common form of assault not involving any weapon or serious injury; blacks are arrested for non-aggravated assault at 2.7 times the white rate. Hispanics and non-Hispanic whites are arrested for non-aggravated assault in a similar ratio to their share of the US population. Of the 9,468 murder arrests in the US in 2017, 53.5% were black and 20.8% Hispanic. Of the 822,671 arrests for non-aggravated assault, 31.4% were black and 18.4% Hispanic.[58]

According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in 2008, black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws, and drunkenness. Racial disparities in arrest have consistently been far less among older population groups.[59]

Robbery

According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, robberies with white victims and black offenders were more than 12 times more common than the opposite.[60][61]
https://reason.com/volokh/2021/04/24...violent-crime/

Spoiler!
blacks appear to commit violent crimes at a substantially higher rate per capita than do whites;

there seems to be little aggregate disparity between the rate at which blacks commit violent crimes (especially when one focuses on crimes where the victims say they reported the crimes to the police) and the rate at which blacks are arrested for crimes; and

the black-on-black crime rate is especially high.
The disparity is even more striking for murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, which the NCVS doesn't measure (since the crime victim can't respond to the survey), and which thus relies on the police department reports in the UCR:

When the race of the offender was known, 55.9 percent were Black or African American, 41.1 percent were White, and 3.0 percent were of other races


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>I got in a discussion with a woman

Lol
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Not saying I don't believe the stats provided, but the official stats are always skewed. With that said, they could be far worse or not nearly as bad... On one hand systemic racism is real, on the other hand liberal DAs pretty much refuse to prosecute blacks for anything short of murder.

Curious about the figure you provided does that only include crimes that were prosecuted?
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Originally Posted By Ramoneb87
Not saying I don't believe the stats provided, but the official stats are always skewed. With that said, they could be far worse or not nearly as bad... On one hand systemic racism is real, on the other hand liberal DAs pretty much refuse to prosecute blacks for anything short of murder.

Curious about the figure you provided does that only include crimes that were prosecuted?
I'm not an expert in this data, which is why I made the thread. I am hoping to get some more learned information.

If I were feeling better today I would read more into the data and fully answer your question.
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Originally Posted By metroins
Am I the racist?
I dunno. Crime stats don't decide whether or not you're racist. Racism exists outside of statistics. Do you think you are?
Why, or why not?
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The fact that you characterize people of different race as different "networth" value tells me all I need to know about your true colors.

Typical racist liberal.
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I voted for
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Originally Posted By IPoopStandingUp
I voted for
-op shouldn't discuss race in public
-op is right
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I say discuss what you want.

OP is indeed correct.

OP might be racist.



I'm about to post some stats and hopefully they are not construed as racist.

In 2017 there were about 47,000 suicides, 37,000 were male but 42,000 were White lol, Blacks accounted for about 3,000.

In 2017 there were about 17,000 murders, Blacks did half or about 9,000 murders but they murder other Blacks 90% of the time, 90% of 9,000 is 8,100.



This means White people are far more likely to kill themselves than they are to get murdered by a Black person lol.

This also means that most Blacks have no intention of murdering anyone.

This means that your fear is unfounded but also flattering lol <3.









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I read that black men are more likely to go to prison than to go to college, by a wide margin.
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Originally Posted By Darkius
I read that black men are more likely to go to prison than to go to college, by a wide margin.
Black.

Didn't go to college or prison but I'm still young.

Higher IQ and net worth than just about everyone on this forum lol.
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Originally Posted By Seatard
Gonna need pics of these women before forming an opinion on this one.
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Facts aren't racist.
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Originally Posted By Ramoneb87
Not saying I don't believe the stats provided, but the official stats are always skewed. With that said, they could be far worse or not nearly as bad... On one hand systemic racism is real,on the other hand liberal DAs pretty much refuse to prosecute blacks for anything short of murder.

Curious about the figure you provided does that only include crimes that were prosecuted?
Which ones? IDK a single institution controlled by white conservative racists? All or most are controlled by white/jewish leftists.
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Originally Posted By Abzu
I say discuss what you want.

OP is indeed correct.

OP might be racist.



I'm about to post some stats and hopefully they are not construed as racist.

In 2017 there were about 47,000 suicides, 37,000 were male but 42,000 were White lol, Blacks accounted for about 3,000.

In 2017 there were about 17,000 murders, Blacks did half or about 9,000 murders but they murder other Blacks 90% of the time, 90% of 9,000 is 8,100.



This means White people are far more likely to kill themselves than they are to get murdered by a Black person lol.

This also means that most Blacks have no intention of murdering anyone.

This means that your fear is unfounded but also flattering lol <3.









Don't fear me, fear the consequences.
This might be one of the most ridiculous cope comparisons Ive ever read on this forum.
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Originally Posted By Bigbuster1
Where's the option: "Don't discuss anything of importance with women"?
i'm with this guy.

I spent 5 yrs bringing up trump just to see how many women would storm out of the room or lose their chit for the lols.
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Originally Posted By metroins
I got in a discussion with a woman about crime statistics. She preferred to act appalled about the facts rather than acknowledge the truth. Should we back down from a discussion when facts support the truth?

One woman said she liked Hispanics more because they were hard workers and that blacks didn't work as hard. I chimed in with "Hispanics networth are higher than blacks and second generation Hispanics were much higher than blacks.

Then the same woman said "I don't feel comfortable around black men". I chimed in and said that 18-25 year old black men are the highest violence demographic and blacks account for 60% of all violent crime while being only 13% of the population.

The other woman shook her head and said I was wrong and being racist.

Question time:
Should we just ignore facts and keep our mouth shut?

Does anybody have a good source for race and crime statistics? I used the FBI and Wikipedia.

Am I the racist?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race..._United_States

Spoiler!



https://reason.com/volokh/2021/04/24...violent-crime/







They vote on feelings and looks

And you had a discussion about crime and race???
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Originally Posted By Abzu
I say discuss what you want.

OP is indeed correct.

OP might be racist.



I'm about to post some stats and hopefully they are not construed as racist.

In 2017 there were about 47,000 suicides, 37,000 were male but 42,000 were White lol, Blacks accounted for about 3,000.

In 2017 there were about 17,000 murders, Blacks did half or about 9,000 murders but they murder other Blacks 90% of the time, 90% of 9,000 is 8,100.



This means White people are far more likely to kill themselves than they are to get murdered by a Black person lol.

This also means that most Blacks have no intention of murdering anyone.

This means that your fear is unfounded but also flattering lol <3.









Don't fear me, fear the consequences.
And you say your IQ is higher than everyone else here????

You're certainly proving one thing.......
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Originally Posted By Abzu
Black.

Didn't go to college or prison but I'm still young.

Higher IQ and net worth than just about everyone on this forum lol.
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Lol, too easy, try not to kill yourselves.
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Your problem, which is you being racist, is if you take crime statistics which are factual about whatever group and you apply it to the individual.

Blacks, particularly young black men, committing a disproportionate amount of crime applies to them in a general term. If I encounter a black person, they are an individual and should be treated as such. If blacks commit more crime, and they do, whatever, my neighbor or some black person I meet is not therefor a criminal just as someone being white does not somehow make them any better as an individual simply because some statistics suggest their race as a whole is better/worse in some regard.

If you ask me why blacks commit more crime, I blame Democrats anyway. Get them off the Governmental handout plantation and they would be no worse or better than any other group and were well on their way to assimilating well into this country despite the difficulties in the 1970s before Johnson saw them eventually being well off and desperately made measures to keep them downtrodden, dependent and raised by single mothers.
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Some people are driven by emotions, others are driven by logic. You're wasting your time arguing with the former on any subject. You can't argue with someone else's feelings.

I don't like racial stereotypes, but I do know racial statistics, and I understand how they corelate to inequality of outcome. The real question is, what can we do to change these statistics and create a more equitable outcome?
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Lmao @ believing for a second super liberal OP cited statistics in any manner regarding minority wealth and crime rate. The only thing that scares OP more than DOM’s is honesty, just like all democrats.
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Originally Posted By JUSA
Your problem, which is you being racist, is if you take crime statistics which are factual about whatever group and you apply it to the individual.
Pretty much came to say this. IMO racism comes down to people not understanding how the world works and either assuming that traits that apply to a group apply to all individuals within it (ie: latinos on average have a lower IQ than whites therefore Mark must necessarily be smarter than Pedro) or applying traits from an individual they know to a whole group (ie: Juan slept with my mom and never called her back therefore all latinos are douchebags).

Not enough info to tell if OP is racist or not.
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Originally Posted By metroins
Question time:
Should we just ignore facts and keep our mouth shut?

Does anybody have a good source for race and crime statistics? I used the FBI and Wikipedia.

Am I the racist?
I wouldn't call you a racist because you're taking time out of our day to ask serious reasonable questions, and not just looking for validation. What I would tell you, is that you're describing having made what is called anEcological Fallacy, JUSA was on the right track imo.
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