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Daily Mail: incels are a hate group, first study into them undertaken
Lol watch out for your local incels burning crosses on your lawn
Incels are usually clingy wannabe momma's boys, according to one of the first studies into the hate group.
Involuntary celibates — who advocate violence and rape against women — have been responsible for a growing number of terror attacks in recent years.
They make up a dark and depraved online community of young heterosexual men who blame society in women for their lack of romantic success.
Now researchers from the University of Rome have found similar personality traits that band members together.
Incels score highly for anxiety and paranoia, which may explain why they are distrustful of women and jealous of other men who have successful romances.
They also had higher depression scores, which may also lead to self-hatred, and suicidal and violent tendencies.
The researchers found incel members had a 'fearful attachment style', which includes being clingy or emotionally absent.
Their hatred of women and misogyny stems from a fear of trusting others and getting hurt, which may have arisen due to emotional neglect or abuse as a child, according to the study.
The team hope their findings and the scale can be used by doctors to identify people at risk of becoming incels.
In September, a self-described incel in Southern California was charged for a .
Alex Minassian killed 10 people with a van in Toronto in 2018, claiming it was a 'rebellion' which would 'force' women to have sex with men like him.
Elliot Rodgers, who killed six people in a gun and knife attack in California in 2014, posted a video shortly before his attack in which he complained about being a virgin at aged 22 and how he had never kissed a girl.
Elliot Rodger (pictured) who killed two women and four men in a gun and knife attack in California in 2014, before killing himself. Multiple incel attacks since Rodger claim to be inspired by him
Elliot Rodger (pictured) who killed two women and four men in a gun and knife attack in California in 2014, before killing himself. Multiple incel attacks since Rodger claim to be inspired by him
Alek Minassian (pictured) was found guilty of 10 counts of first-degree murder and 16 counts of attempted murder in connection with the April 2018 attack, when he used a van to kill 10 pedestrians in Toronto. He told police he belonged to an online community of sexually frustrated men, some of whom have plotted attacks on people who have sex
Alek Minassian (pictured) was found guilty of 10 counts of first-degree murder and 16 counts of attempted murder in connection with the April 2018 attack, when he used a van to kill 10 pedestrians in Toronto. He told police he belonged to an online community of sexually frustrated men, some of whom have plotted attacks on people who have sex
Incel attacks in the US
May 2020 - Incel gunman shot and wounded three people at a mall in Arizona while livestreaming the attack on Snapchat
February 2020 - A machete attack in a Toronto massage parlor became the first incident of alleged incel violence to be prosecuted as an act of terrorism
November 2018 - A gunman who posed as customer at a Tallahassee yoga studio killed two women and wounded five others.
He said he wanted to 'blow off' a woman's head and expressed other disturbing and misogynistic views four years ago on his YouTube channel.
April 2018 - A man used a van to kill 10 pedestrians in Toronto. He told police he belonged to an online community of sexually frustrated men, some of whom have plotted attacks on people who have sex.
He also published an 141-page document going through his deep-rooted hatred of women, in which he said he could not understand why women would not want to have sex with him.
Mr Rodgers was never formally diagnosed with a mental illness.
A total of 770 men aged between 18 and 69 were given a set of questionnaires online identifying incel traits, depression and anxiety levels, attachment style and paranoia symptoms.
The incel trait scale, developed by Dr Scaptura and Dr Boyle in 2019, includes factors such as confused, sad, fearful, excluded, weak and insecure.
Men who scored highly on the scale were more likely to also display paranoia, anxiety and depression.
Paranoia is an unjustified mistrust of people and can include unwarranted jealously.
In the case of incels, they are mistrustful of women specifically and jealous of other men who are successful in romantic relationships.
Depression and anxiety also contribute to an incel mindset, as both can cause diminished self-esteem and isolation.
Incels believe they are unable to attract women and will often retreat to online forums to discuss their unhappiness and frustration.
The researchers found that men who had a fearful attachment style were also more likely to score highly on incel traits.
On the other hand, those who had a secure attachment style scored lower in the questionnaire of incel traits.
Attachment styles are ways people behave in relationships with others and are based on the bond individuals had with their parents or primary caregiver while growing up.
A secure attachment style is when people feel protected by their parents, leading them to feel comfortable in relationships with others later in their life.
But if a child's primary caregiver is neglecting or unpredictable, the child can become needy as they work harder to get the attention they feel they are lacking.
When they become adults, children with a disorganized attachment have low self-esteem and an intense fear of rejection and abandonment, which is consistent with an incel attitude.
Boys may grow up resentful of women due to a lack of healthy relationships developed in childhood.
A caregiver might have behaved in a frightening way, including abuse towards the child.
Or they may have been inconsistent and unpredictable in their interactions with their offspring — being highly loving at times and then neglectful at others.
Boys can be left feeling unlovable and mistrustful that people will support and accept them.
The researchers concluded that paranoia and depressive-anxious symptoms play a 'pivotal role' in the incel attitude, and suggested that fearful attachment styles can contribute to a misogynic attitude.
Children may grow up resenting women if they feel their primary caregiver did not give them the love they needed, and may also leave them with a negative self-view.
In the UK last year, Plymouth gunman Jake Davison killed his own mother as well as a father and daughter.
He had previously made references to incels in videos posted on social media, including hateful rants about single mothers and particularly his own, who he called 'vile, dysfunctional and chaotic'.
Involuntary celibates — who advocate violence and rape against women — have been responsible for a growing number of terror attacks in recent years.
They make up a dark and depraved online community of young heterosexual men who blame society in women for their lack of romantic success.
Now researchers from the University of Rome have found similar personality traits that band members together.
Incels score highly for anxiety and paranoia, which may explain why they are distrustful of women and jealous of other men who have successful romances.
They also had higher depression scores, which may also lead to self-hatred, and suicidal and violent tendencies.
The researchers found incel members had a 'fearful attachment style', which includes being clingy or emotionally absent.
Their hatred of women and misogyny stems from a fear of trusting others and getting hurt, which may have arisen due to emotional neglect or abuse as a child, according to the study.
The team hope their findings and the scale can be used by doctors to identify people at risk of becoming incels.
In September, a self-described incel in Southern California was charged for a .
Alex Minassian killed 10 people with a van in Toronto in 2018, claiming it was a 'rebellion' which would 'force' women to have sex with men like him.
Elliot Rodgers, who killed six people in a gun and knife attack in California in 2014, posted a video shortly before his attack in which he complained about being a virgin at aged 22 and how he had never kissed a girl.
Elliot Rodger (pictured) who killed two women and four men in a gun and knife attack in California in 2014, before killing himself. Multiple incel attacks since Rodger claim to be inspired by him
Elliot Rodger (pictured) who killed two women and four men in a gun and knife attack in California in 2014, before killing himself. Multiple incel attacks since Rodger claim to be inspired by him
Alek Minassian (pictured) was found guilty of 10 counts of first-degree murder and 16 counts of attempted murder in connection with the April 2018 attack, when he used a van to kill 10 pedestrians in Toronto. He told police he belonged to an online community of sexually frustrated men, some of whom have plotted attacks on people who have sex
Alek Minassian (pictured) was found guilty of 10 counts of first-degree murder and 16 counts of attempted murder in connection with the April 2018 attack, when he used a van to kill 10 pedestrians in Toronto. He told police he belonged to an online community of sexually frustrated men, some of whom have plotted attacks on people who have sex
Incel attacks in the US
May 2020 - Incel gunman shot and wounded three people at a mall in Arizona while livestreaming the attack on Snapchat
February 2020 - A machete attack in a Toronto massage parlor became the first incident of alleged incel violence to be prosecuted as an act of terrorism
November 2018 - A gunman who posed as customer at a Tallahassee yoga studio killed two women and wounded five others.
He said he wanted to 'blow off' a woman's head and expressed other disturbing and misogynistic views four years ago on his YouTube channel.
April 2018 - A man used a van to kill 10 pedestrians in Toronto. He told police he belonged to an online community of sexually frustrated men, some of whom have plotted attacks on people who have sex.
He also published an 141-page document going through his deep-rooted hatred of women, in which he said he could not understand why women would not want to have sex with him.
Mr Rodgers was never formally diagnosed with a mental illness.
A total of 770 men aged between 18 and 69 were given a set of questionnaires online identifying incel traits, depression and anxiety levels, attachment style and paranoia symptoms.
The incel trait scale, developed by Dr Scaptura and Dr Boyle in 2019, includes factors such as confused, sad, fearful, excluded, weak and insecure.
Men who scored highly on the scale were more likely to also display paranoia, anxiety and depression.
Paranoia is an unjustified mistrust of people and can include unwarranted jealously.
In the case of incels, they are mistrustful of women specifically and jealous of other men who are successful in romantic relationships.
Depression and anxiety also contribute to an incel mindset, as both can cause diminished self-esteem and isolation.
Incels believe they are unable to attract women and will often retreat to online forums to discuss their unhappiness and frustration.
The researchers found that men who had a fearful attachment style were also more likely to score highly on incel traits.
On the other hand, those who had a secure attachment style scored lower in the questionnaire of incel traits.
Attachment styles are ways people behave in relationships with others and are based on the bond individuals had with their parents or primary caregiver while growing up.
A secure attachment style is when people feel protected by their parents, leading them to feel comfortable in relationships with others later in their life.
But if a child's primary caregiver is neglecting or unpredictable, the child can become needy as they work harder to get the attention they feel they are lacking.
When they become adults, children with a disorganized attachment have low self-esteem and an intense fear of rejection and abandonment, which is consistent with an incel attitude.
Boys may grow up resentful of women due to a lack of healthy relationships developed in childhood.
A caregiver might have behaved in a frightening way, including abuse towards the child.
Or they may have been inconsistent and unpredictable in their interactions with their offspring — being highly loving at times and then neglectful at others.
Boys can be left feeling unlovable and mistrustful that people will support and accept them.
The researchers concluded that paranoia and depressive-anxious symptoms play a 'pivotal role' in the incel attitude, and suggested that fearful attachment styles can contribute to a misogynic attitude.
Children may grow up resenting women if they feel their primary caregiver did not give them the love they needed, and may also leave them with a negative self-view.
In the UK last year, Plymouth gunman Jake Davison killed his own mother as well as a father and daughter.
He had previously made references to incels in videos posted on social media, including hateful rants about single mothers and particularly his own, who he called 'vile, dysfunctional and chaotic'.
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the best place to study them would be the misc
all the beta threads on here would give researchers a lot of material to study
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Step 1. Demonize incels despite only like 5 out of many tens of thousands ever recorded as doing anything criminal
Step 2. Define incel as any man you dislike
Step 3. Exterminate them.
Step 4. ITS OVER
Step 2. Define incel as any man you dislike
Step 3. Exterminate them.
Step 4. ITS OVER
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Incels are the guys who used to get "saved" by females. Basically they'd work and the female would take care of the family, and life would be happy. Girls would be willing to take these guys on and "fix" them, which worked well for many years. These girls might not have been model attractive, but in the past they were typically in shape and had a pleasant personality.
Nowadays, the same girls are obese and unattractive, so the Incel isn't liking the value proposition offered in order for him to give his life away by working. So because the sexual market changed over the past 10ish years, the Incel was raised for a sexual marketplace that doesn't exist at this present time.
Personally, I think it will swing back a bit as the current market isn't really sustainable and way overvalues women. It's nice having a female around, but they're all varying levels of parasitic. It's just finding your tolerable level.
But at the same time, it would probably be a good thing if Incels started being a bit more independent and learning how to self motivate. But this demonization of Incels is certainly going to backfire.
Nowadays, the same girls are obese and unattractive, so the Incel isn't liking the value proposition offered in order for him to give his life away by working. So because the sexual market changed over the past 10ish years, the Incel was raised for a sexual marketplace that doesn't exist at this present time.
Personally, I think it will swing back a bit as the current market isn't really sustainable and way overvalues women. It's nice having a female around, but they're all varying levels of parasitic. It's just finding your tolerable level.
But at the same time, it would probably be a good thing if Incels started being a bit more independent and learning how to self motivate. But this demonization of Incels is certainly going to backfire.
11-28-2022, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted By navid93⏩
Not following what you mean. I wonder if you even recognize that males and females are different. Why would you use the same term for both genders? Not trying to insult your intelligence, just wondering. Are you non binary gendered? if yes, disregard what I just said. I understand nowExactly what I mean
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Originally Posted By Goodguy03⏩
They'd get 1000x more material from Reddit.the best place to study them would be the misc
all the beta threads on here would give researchers a lot of material to study
all the beta threads on here would give researchers a lot of material to study
Anyway, poor incel bastards. The weird part about this is don't basically all mass killers have an antisocial complex, including those who say they're doing it for their religion? Whether incel or dozens of other reasons, it's safe to say they aren't happy people with a well adjusted family or social life.
What's the solution? More telling men they're bad for having masculine energy? Decades of that has led to much of the crisis they're pointing out. More of telling single mothers they're empowered and don't need no man? That's clearly done wonders for young boys, right? More videos games and neutering their hope by living in fantasy worlds instead of the real world? Surely ********'s Meta platform will really do wonders to help these dudes get out of their mental downward spirals.
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
agree with this mostly. I dont see it swinging back though, its only going to get worse unless we take some drastic measures that women will never allowIncels are the guys who used to get "saved" by females. Basically they'd work and the female would take care of the family, and life would be happy. Girls would be willing to take these guys on and "fix" them, which worked well for many years. These girls might not have been model attractive, but in the past they were typically in shape and had a pleasant personality.
Nowadays, the same girls are obese and unattractive, so the Incel isn't liking the value proposition offered in order for him to give his life away by working. So because the sexual market changed over the past 10ish years, the Incel was raised for a sexual marketplace that doesn't exist at this present time.
Personally, I think it will swing back a bit as the current market isn't really sustainable and way overvalues women. It's nice having a female around, but they're all varying levels of parasitic. It's just finding your tolerable level.
But at the same time, it would probably be a good thing if Incels started being a bit more independent and learning how to self motivate. But this demonization of Incels is certainly going to backfire.
Nowadays, the same girls are obese and unattractive, so the Incel isn't liking the value proposition offered in order for him to give his life away by working. So because the sexual market changed over the past 10ish years, the Incel was raised for a sexual marketplace that doesn't exist at this present time.
Personally, I think it will swing back a bit as the current market isn't really sustainable and way overvalues women. It's nice having a female around, but they're all varying levels of parasitic. It's just finding your tolerable level.
But at the same time, it would probably be a good thing if Incels started being a bit more independent and learning how to self motivate. But this demonization of Incels is certainly going to backfire.
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That's not really a group if they're all most likely loners.
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
I don't mean "swinging back to the 1950s". But I think people underestimate the amount of financial assistance that has been provided toward making women enter the job market over the last decade. A large number of females were completely busy with their jobs and Netflix, so they were generally content with life. But now that we're headed into a recession and monetary policy is changing, many of these same females who had high income will find themselves no longer having any marketable skills.agree with this mostly. I dont see it swinging back though, its only going to get worse unless we take some drastic measures that women will never allow
They will make different decisions in a world that is no longer bending over backwards to appease them. Basically what I mean is that if the Incels will do some of the self-improvement work on their own, the girls will be willing to meet them halfway.
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Originally Posted By Kormo⏩
Men who haven’t had sex are virgins. Literally everybody agrees with this. That’s literally what that word meansNot following what you mean. I wonder if you even recognize that males and females are different. Why would you use the same term for both genders? Not trying to insult your intelligence, just wondering. Are you non binary gendered? if yes, disregard what I just said. I understand now
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that's not a study
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Originally Posted By navid93⏩
So you don't differentiate between the two genders through your terminology? Why do we have a word for specific genitalia of the sexes, If everything is the same?Men who haven’t had sex are virgins. Literally everybody agrees with this. That’s literally what that word means
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They should learn to control themselves really well. srs
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There's a big difference between an awkward dude who'd like to have sex but just can't seem to land that pussy vs a guy who can't have sex and wants to externalize his frustration and kill women to punish them. One's unfortunate, one's an extremist with dangerous beliefs.
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Originally Posted By iputyouatapoint⏩
It seems like a lot of pent up energy and not knowing where to put it. They go searching for male bonding and doing so in an anonymous platforms just makes it worse. People say all sorts of chit they don't really mean but it gets LOLs and then other dudes cheer it on. Things like bowling leagues or joining a local group of Shriner's may seem corny, but they are a hell of a lot more positive than gaming or anonymous online platforms. There really are so many contributing factors leading to antisocial male behavior that it looks like trying to put Pandora back in the box.They should learn to control themselves really well. srs
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
what makes you think this would happen? At least in the USA we're as woke as ever with women having more power than ever before. If anything they'll just cuck society harder to care for themThey will make different decisions in a world that is no longer bending over backwards to appease them.
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Originally Posted By lightsarefallin⏩
both are lumped together as incels for shaming and controlThere's a big difference between an awkward dude who'd like to have sex but just can't seem to land that pussy vs a guy who can't have sex and wants to externalize his frustration and kill women to punish them. One's unfortunate, one's an extremist with dangerous beliefs.
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
What?Incels are the guys who used to get "saved" by females. Basically they'd work and the female would take care of the family, and life would be happy. Girls would be willing to take these guys on and "fix" them, which worked well for many years. These girls might not have been model attractive, but in the past they were typically in shape and had a pleasant personality.
Nowadays, the same girls are obese and unattractive, so the Incel isn't liking the value proposition offered in order for him to give his life away by working. So because the sexual market changed over the past 10ish years, the Incel was raised for a sexual marketplace that doesn't exist at this present time.
Personally, I think it will swing back a bit as the current market isn't really sustainable and way overvalues women. It's nice having a female around, but they're all varying levels of parasitic. It's just finding your tolerable level.
But at the same time, it would probably be a good thing if Incels started being a bit more independent and learning how to self motivate. But this demonization of Incels is certainly going to backfire.
Nowadays, the same girls are obese and unattractive, so the Incel isn't liking the value proposition offered in order for him to give his life away by working. So because the sexual market changed over the past 10ish years, the Incel was raised for a sexual marketplace that doesn't exist at this present time.
Personally, I think it will swing back a bit as the current market isn't really sustainable and way overvalues women. It's nice having a female around, but they're all varying levels of parasitic. It's just finding your tolerable level.
But at the same time, it would probably be a good thing if Incels started being a bit more independent and learning how to self motivate. But this demonization of Incels is certainly going to backfire.
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Originally Posted By Kormo⏩
Virgin is not a gender thing. Its not a body part. A hymen is a body part. Sorry you feel this way. Hymens can be broken by more than sex fyi so it does not necessarily correlate to virginity. Sorry you feel this way.So you don't differentiate between the two genders through your terminology? Why do we have a word for specific genitalia of the sexes, If everything is the same?
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