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post 1674600273 01-11-2023, 01:53 PM
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US flights suspended cuz computers were down...does it make anyone nervous...

How vulnerable humanity is cuz computers?

https://ca.travelpulse.com/news/airl...er-outage.html

One glitch grounded all US flights?

Imagine someone hacked Tesla and programmed them all to to accelerate and do a hard left turn at exactly the same time.
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post 1674600403 01-11-2023, 01:55 PM
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it was either a cyber attack by vlad the chad or gross incompetence by the ****** the us govt outsourced the application to for maintenance.

equally concerning
post 1674600523 01-11-2023, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted By Dogkrack⏩
it was either a cyber attack by vlad the chad or gross incompetence by the ****** the us govt outsourced the application to for maintenance.

equally concerning
The amount of things it "could be" is indeed concerning.

The fact that there's not way more of this kind of thing means that the terrorists aren't paying attention.


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post 1674601373 01-11-2023, 02:10 PM
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Reminder that at any moment the sun could shoot out a solar flare that would effect the earths electromagnetic field and send us back to the stone age
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thx Chatgpt
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And some people wonder why my hatred for Elon Musk runs deep. Many seem to be disturbingly oblivious to the fact that this man wants to merge man and machine via transhumanism.

Do people know the tremendous detriment this would have on humanity, even if the few positives seem beneficial (only for the short term)?

Think of the darkest sci fi novel or film you've ever read or watched and amplify it by about 100.

I'm not even joking a little bit, though it sounds like fear mongering that isn't feasible in this timeline. You do not want your consciousness merged with a machine.
it's better to suck dink than to be killed

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The NOTAMs system had been down as far back as last yesterday evening/night. I understand that most people aren't really aware of how/what NOTAM's are, but just wanted to say that.
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Military had to fly something Top Secret from one location to another. They grounded all flights in order to do so.

Nothing to see here
post 1674602743 01-11-2023, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted By BrianDaMan⏩
good thing you're Off The Grid, TrapperBrah

My house is , but my workshop isn't.

I'd miss my power tools lol
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post 1674604383 01-11-2023, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted By BrianDaMan⏩
good thing you're Off The Grid, TrapperBrah

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I yearn for skynet levels of artificial intelligence. Humanity is a plague upon the earth, and we need to be taken out.
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Read a fiction book once about an EMP that obliterated the entire grid. Basically back to the stone age. Literally nothing works. Generators can only last so long.

Would take about four days before people started killing each other. So yes pretty scary.
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Originally Posted By Lolip0p⏩
Reminder that at any moment the sun could shoot out a solar flare that would effect the earths electromagnetic field and send us back to the stone age
A mankind ending one just missed us by a few weeks in 2012. Maybe that was the Mayan cycle ending and some slight change made it just miss us THIS time.
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Originally Posted By Lolip0p⏩
Reminder that at any moment the sun could shoot out a solar flare that would effect the earths electromagnetic field and send us back to the stone age
Climate change but for real
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No, commercial flight is a luxury, no airline is gonna take the risk of flying without ATC coverage, even though you can fly perfectly safe without ATC(approach plates, land visually, etc)
Do you think military or high level government aircraft didn't takeoff today?
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Originally Posted By OffwhiteBrah⏩
thx Chatgpt
I don't know what this means
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
The NOTAMs system had been down as far back as last yesterday evening/night. I understand that most people aren't really aware of how/what NOTAM's are, but just wanted to say that.
Aware me on NOTAMs?
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Originally Posted By Lolip0p⏩
Reminder that at any moment the sun could shoot out a solar flare that would effect the earths electromagnetic field and send us back to the stone age
Looking forward to it.
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Originally Posted By Hutrapper⏩
Aware me on NOTAMs?
The name was changed in December 2021 from Notice to Airmen to be "inclusive of all aviators and missions," according to the FAA.

Now it goes down like a cheap sloot.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Well guns still work, and non perishable food exists. If you prep and have food/water stocked and have ammo, you might be able to survive quite a bit longer
Running water would stop working. That would kill billions in less than a week.
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OP commutes via dog sled, not sure why he's concerned about flights.



Jk, but honestly after the pandemic, nothing seems to be far fetched anymore.
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Originally Posted By Hutrapper⏩
Aware me on NOTAMs?
It's just notices to pilots on certain things that the airport has/doesn't have. Sometimes there's a tower obstruction 2.7 miles SW of the airport, maybe there's a certain runway that's closed, maybe the airport itself is closed.. these would all be posted via NOTAMs to pilots to view as they plan they're trip or route.

What probably ended up happening was that some of the updated/newer NOTAMS weren't being disseminated correctly. There were still flights going on when this happened, the flights in the air were able to keep flying (last night and this morning) it was just a GROUND STOP that was probably initiated by the airlines then expanded to all nationwide until they could get the system updated.

Us as ATC we have a lil computer system above our radar Scopes where we can look up any US airport and look at specific airport information (STAR, SID, airport info like time open, etc.) along with NOTAMs for that specific airports. We have to ask if pilots have the updated info, and even if they say they do, we have to repeat any pertinent NOTAMS that may affect them.... At least at my facility.
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Originally Posted By EDcellent⏩
OP commutes via dog sled, not sure why he's concerned about flights.



Jk, but honestly after the pandemic, nothing seems to be far fetched anymore.
I'm actually flying to Italy in the spring.

Wife's dad sold his company and is flying thr family there.

Flying there can't be as bad as 12 hrs to Hong Kong, but I'm actually more scared about having to act cultured at all the wine tasting tours they've planned
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
It's just notices to pilots on certain things that the airport has/doesn't have. Sometimes there's a tower obstruction 2.7 miles SW of the airport, maybe there's a certain runway that's closed, maybe the airport itself is closed.. these would all be posted via NOTAMs to pilots to view as they plan they're trip or route.

What probably ended up happening was that some of the updated/newer NOTAMS weren't being disseminated correctly. There were still flights going on when this happened, the flights in the air were able to keep flying (last night and this morning) it was just a GROUND STOP that was probably initiated by the airlines then expanded to all nationwide until they could get the system updated.

Us as ATC we have a lil computer system above our radar Scopes where we can look up any US airport and look at specific airport information (STAR, SID, airport info like time open, etc.) along with NOTAMs for that specific airports. We have to ask if pilots have the updated info, and even if they say they do, we have to repeat any pertinent NOTAMS that may affect them.... At least at my facility.
Damn, I think I knew you were ATC, but forgot.


In your opinion, how vulnerable are commercial aircraft to cyber attacks?


Edit: also, how realistic was Die hard 2?
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Originally Posted By jonmcd46⏩
No, commercial flight is a luxury, no airline is gonna take the risk of flying without ATC coverage, even though you can fly perfectly safe without ATC(approach plates, land visually, etc)
Do you think military or high level government aircraft didn't takeoff today?
Medevac aircraft were still able to fly during the ground stop I believe. The ground stop was only for a few hours

I say "only" because people don't realize that ground stops happen on a regular basis, to an extent.. weather, staffing shortages, an accident, etc are all reasons for a ground stop and happen.

The difference today was just that it was a nationwide ground stop for a few hrs. First since 9/11
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
Medevac aircraft were still able to fly during the ground stop I believe. The ground stop was only for a few hours

I say "only" because people don't realize that ground stops happen on a regular basis, to an extent.. weather, staffing shortages, an accident, etc are all reasons for a ground stop and happen.

The difference today was just that it was a nationwide ground stop for a few hrs. First since 9/11
Ya, the scale of it was the interesting part
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Originally Posted By Hutrapper⏩
Damn, I think I knew you were ATC, but forgot.


In your opinion, how vulnerable are commercial aircraft to cyber attacks?


Edit: also, how realistic was Die hard 2?
If you hit an enroute center environment you can fuk up a big chunk of airspace.. it's why most enroute facilities are away from big cities (most at least)

It happened once where a FAA worker really fukd things up for Chicago center and the surrounding TRACONS and other centers by lighting some computer equipment on fire

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014...ol_Center_fire
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
If you hit an enroute center environment you can fuk up a big chunk of airspace.. it's why most enroute facilities are away from big cities (most at least)

It happened once where a FAA worker really fukd things up for Chicago center and the surrounding TRACONS and other centers by lighting some computer equipment on fire

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014...ol_Center_fire
Yes airspace can be screwed up but any airborne AC will always find somewhere safe to land if need be. With systems like TCAS we can avoid other AC and we can announce our intentions to other AC
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Originally Posted By Hutrapper⏩
Damn, I think I knew you were ATC, but forgot.


In your opinion, how vulnerable are commercial aircraft to cyber attacks?


Edit: also, how realistic was Die hard 2?
DH2 was very unrealistic.

In DH2 the bad guys recalibrated the glideslope to below ground level in order to crash an airplane. This is not possible. Glideslope antennas are fixed in place.

In DH2 pilots were dead set in landing at Dulles even as their fuel ran dangerously low. Real pilots would have diverted elsewhere and made a safe landing - JFK, LaGuardia, Newark, Atlanta, Chicago, Philly, etc.

Fun movie but not realistic.
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
Yes airspace can be screwed up but any airborne AC will always find somewhere safe to land if need be. With systems like TCAS we can avoid other AC and announce our intentions to other AC
This is true.

Also there are non radar procedures in place. It's not like planes would fall out of the sky, or be hitting each other all over the place. But the volume of traffic probably wouldn't be nearly what it is now.
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