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post 1677988173 02-26-2023, 06:08 PM
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Denmark accidentally discovers : mRNA still in blood after 28 days, contrary to data

here is Dr Campbell talking about the study.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWVxVd6IGgg



And here is the pubmed link

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36647776/
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post 1677988403 02-26-2023, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted By CalmWind
here is Dr Campbell talking about the study.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWVxVd6IGgg



And here is the pubmed link

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36647776/
"full-length or traces of SARS-CoV-2 spike mRNA vaccine sequences were found in blood up to 28 days after COVID-19 vaccination."



SMH..no wonder..

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1. Even if true, so what? I believe we've dealt with these sorts of claims at length, and the authors themselves note in the discussion that this is most likely attributable to the LNPs (lipid nanoparticles) engendering a slow release and this allows a prolonged spike production which gives an advantageous immune response for some people.

Without the LNP, you'd have just naked mRNA and that's nothing to fear: mRNA is an extremely volatile molecule and would just be instantly degraded. The authors also explicitly say their conclusion doesnotaffect the safety of vaccines at all.

2. The virus itself is a far greater risk for everything the vaccines might supposedly do. The vaccine is a one-off shot, even if the timed release is longer after all, this is nothing compared to having the virus constantly in your body and working 24/7 to reproduce itself along with the far, far greater chance of an auto-immune reaction to an entire virus rather than just the spike the vaccine makes.



3. The biology of the vaccine isn't even the relevant factor or dataset to determine whether the vaccine is safe. The information we want on that front is epidemiological surveillance and pharmacovigilance . The vaccines have been distributed to over a billion people and despite the system being sensitive enough to detect 1 in a million chance adverse events, they aren't appearing with these vaccines.




Conclusion?:


Back off, Warchild.

Seriously.
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In after bodhy says so what, inb4 reliance the scientist says this is good news.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy
1. Even if true, so what? I believe we've dealt with these sorts of claims at length, and the authors themselves note in the discussion that this is most likely attributable to the LNPs (lipid nanoparticles) engendering a slow release and this allows a prolonged spike production which gives an advantageous immune response for some people.

Without the LNP, you'd have just naked mRNA and that's nothing to fear: mRNA is an extremely volatile molecule and would just be instantly degraded. The authors also explicitly say their conclusion doesnotaffect the safety of vaccines at all.

2. The virus itself is a far greater risk for everything the vaccines might supposedly do. The vaccine is a one-off shot, even if the timed release is longer after all, this is nothing compared to having the virus constantly in your body and working 24/7 to reproduce itself along with the far, far greater chance of an auto-immune reaction to an entire virus rather than just the spike the vaccine makes.



3. The biology of the vaccine isn't even the relevant factor or dataset to determine whether the vaccine is safe. The information we want on that front is epidemiological surveillance and pharmacovigilance . The vaccines have been distributed to over a billion people and despite the system being sensitive enough to detect 1 in a million chance adverse events, they aren't appearing with these vaccines.




Conclusion?:


Holy goal posts Batman. How does being this disingenuous all the time not eat away at you, honestly?
post 1678004413 02-27-2023, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted By Verstatik
Holy goal posts Batman. How does being this disingenuous all the time not eat away at you, honestly?
You're trying to apply logic and reason to someone that is morally bankrupt.





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Originally Posted By Verstatik
Holy goal posts Batman. How does being this disingenuous all the time not eat away at you, honestly?
There's no argument or rebuttal here. Was there any point in even posting? Because you didn't make a dent in anything I said.
Back off, Warchild.

Seriously.
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How long are the spike proteins remaining in organs after being jabbed? From epithelial to liver to brain to cardiac muscle tissues I don't think we'll like the answers. Go ahead with the mRNA research for cancer but let's not have them again for cold viruses.
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20
How long are the spike proteins remaining in organs after being jabbed? From epithelial to liver to brain to cardiac muscle tissues I don't think we'll like the answers. Go ahead with the mRNA research for cancer but let's not have them again for cold viruses.
The article is talking about the mRNA sequence being attached to its delivery vesicle, which is not the existence of free-floating spike protein. That's an important difference to discern, and so is the nature of the vaccine's end product and the virus' (where the virus' is of course far more dangerous).

The spike proteins aren't getting "stuck in organs" whatever TF this is meant to mean, and the authors in this paper explicitly say their findings don't contradict the safety of the vaccines; they say the opposite, that's actually beneficial for an immune response in some people.



So...



Back off, Warchild.

Seriously.
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So in less than 10% of their patients with chronic hep c the authors report detecting "full-length or traces of SARS-CoV-2 spike mRNA vaccine sequences"?
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Originally Posted By Anachron
So is that 10% more of their patients than they should be detecting "full-length or traces of SARS-CoV-2 spike mRNA vaccine sequences"?
I dunno. What are the impacts of chronic hepatitis C?
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Originally Posted By Anachron
I dunno. Do the impacts of "chronic hepatitis C" include anything that would result in the detection of ""full-length or traces of SARS-CoV-2 spike mRNA vaccine sequences"?
Probably, yeah. If they have liver damage or liver failure you might expect the liver to not be functioning optimally.
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Additional info on the patients would also be helpful (e.g., HIV positive, duration of hep c infection, other conditions)
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I thought the vaccine stayed in the deltoid? That’s what the pseudo intellectuals were saying????
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post 1678015633 02-27-2023, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted By InVentive44
I thought the vaccine stayed in the deltoid? That’s what the pseudo intellectuals were saying????
What happens when the cells expressing spike are destroyed?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
What happens when the cells expressing spike are destroyed?
That's when a coincidence happens
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Originally Posted By Anachron
"Probably" is not a very scientific answer. Nor is the rest of your post relevant in any way.

So let's try again:

Do the impacts of "chronic hepatitis C" include anything that would result in the detection of ""full-length or traces of SARS-CoV-2 spike mRNA vaccine sequences"?
Yes.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Are there "cells expressing spike" 28 days after vaccination?
This is one of the reasons why an impaired or failing liver could be an important factor. This study was in people with chronic hep c.
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"in 10 out of 108 patients"
What about the 98 patients?
Did they die?

9.3 % of patients
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
"in 10 out of 108 patients"
What about the 98 patients?
Did they die?

9.3 % of patients
That's why additional info would be helpful. Were any of those 10 patients in liver failure? On dialysis?

Since all of our blood is filtered through the liver, it stands to reason that an impaired or failing liver might not be optimally filtering a patient's blood.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
That's why additional info would be helpful. Were any of those 10 patients in liver failure? On dialysis?

Since all of our blood is filtered through the liver, it stands to reason that an impaired or failing liver might not be optimally filtering a patient's blood.
And after watching the video, ************all 108 had Hep C********************, which i don't nor ever had.
Does Hep C alter the length and behavior of shots (Pfizer and Moderna) so that in 9.3%, the spiked protein sticks around for a month?
If you don't have Hep C, should you worry about a 9% or 10/108 number?
no and no
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Why would the blood need to be filtered free of "full-length or traces of SARS-CoV-2 spike mRNA vaccine sequences" that were said to not enter the bloodstream, 28 days after they were introduced?
It doesn't look like "full-length or traces of SARS-CoV-2 spike mRNA vaccine sequences" were found 28 days after they were introduced

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Originally Posted By Anachron
I'm just replying to your original claim.

Are you saying your original claim was wrong?
You added the "28 days after they were introduced"aftermy initial comment. In the interest of intellectual honesty, of course.
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
And after watching the video, ************all 108 had Hep C********************, which i don't nor ever had.
Does Hep C alter the length and behavior of shots (Pfizer and Moderna) so that in 9.3%, the spiked protein sticks around for a month?
If you don't have Hep C, should you worry about a 9% or 10/108 number?
no and no
Chronic hep c can impair liver function. All of our blood is filtered by our liver which remove toxins and byproducts (e.g., remnants of destroyed cells). Hep c could prolong the time proteins and other things are detectable in blood.
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Instead of arguing about the specifics, because no one is going to change their mind about the details…we should just acknowledge that there is a lot of sh!t about these injections we don’t know(and certainly didn’t know when they were approved to be delivered to billions of people). The list of things people have claimed about them that later turned out to false is rather long. And of course instead of saying “well looks like we got that one wrong” they just move the goal posts and keep going.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
And by answering "no" to the bolded, you confirmed that it's irrelevant.
For my particular situation, but science and studies are fun to read and analyze.


1.How significant is 9%?
2. is the sample size large enough to draw any hard conclusions?
3. if it sticks around for 29 days, is anyone being harmed.
4. is this a big gotcha for the Pfizers or are there larger long term implications?
in before 1-3 is skipped and they go directly to number 4
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Chronic hep c can impair liver function. All of our blood is filtered by our liver which remove toxins and byproducts (e.g., remnants of destroyed cells). Hep c could prolong the time proteins and other things are detectable in blood.
So i knew about the liver's primary job but did not connect the last part, thanks.

"Hep c *****could prolong the time proteins and other things are detectable in blood*****
Gotcha
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Originally Posted By Anachron
How long does it take before mRNA breaks down?
mice ferrets monkeys

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5475249/
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Originally Posted By Anachron
I mean, I don't really expect a low IQ sheep like yourself to understand exactly what is being discussed here.

The answers to 1 through 3 are irrelevant, and question #4 is just plain stupid.
That is not an answer,
Stop throwing stones and read the study.
Did you ever run studies in college, lower iq donkey?
Those are the questions that they teach you to ask, we call them variables.
Look it up if you never read the word.
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