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Can someone aware me on marxism?

Whether you agree/disagree with it, in your own words, what is marxism?
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The revolutionary aim of the political ideology of communism, as laid out in the Communist Manifesto by the Jew Karl Marx, is to have the peasants, or working class, violently overthrow the governments of their respective nations. The manifesto, which demonized the entire middle class as exploiters—everyone from a doctor or a dentist, to a rich capitalist, down to the small business owner—concluded with the battle cry: Workers of the world, Unite!

The promise given to the impressionable peasants,—the “proletariat”—whom the Communists’ evil propaganda was directed at, was that they would live in a “worker’s paradise” after dismantling their “oppressors,” i.e., the middle class, or “bourgeiosie.” Of course, the true aim was for the Communist leaders—mostly Jews—to insert themselves into dictatorial power after the natural leadership had been forcibly overthrown by violent hordes of envious, hate-filled mobs.

Spreaders of the communist ideology believed that revolutions of this nature would take place all across Europe as people lost faith in their governments during the first World War. Much to their dismay, aside from in Russia, these revolutions did not take place, and the war caused the common people to instead become more patriotic and loyal to their countries’ leaders.

The Communists, who saw their victory as inevitable one way or the other, were undeterred by this setback. They went back to the drawing board to reformulate their revolutionary strategy and it was decided that in the West, for their revolution to take place, they would first have to weaken the foundations of civilization, which they recognized as a stronghold in the way of their agenda. The new strategy, known asCultural Marxism, combined Marx’s theories with those of another Jew, Sigmund Freud, and was to use anti-Western propaganda to attack and tear down all traditions, sexual morality and Christianity and to deliberately break apart the nuclear family.

Many of the preeminent Cultural Marxist thinkers during the 20s and 30s were Jewish intellectuals based in Frankfurt, Germany, at the Institute of Social Research, better known as the ‘Frankfurt School.’ Instead of the ‘class warfare’ that traditional Marxism focused on, they now developed ‘critical theory,’ which attacked Western culture as being evil and oppressive toward minority groups such as Jews, non-Whites, homosexuals, and even women. This served the Communist cause of destroying White society by inciting hatred in all of these so-called minority groups while simultaneously inducing feelings of guilt in normal White people.

They also created ‘political correctness,’ where any objection to the Cultural Marxist agenda would not be met with logical debate but rather with smear terms such as “racist,” “bigot,” “homophobe,” “sexist,” etc.

Germany, home to a daunting number of communists— upward of six million—was facing the dire threat of falling to a violent revolution, similar to what had happened in Russia in 1917. A Communist Russia and Germany would have meant certain death for all of Europe.

Hitler and other European nationalists were largely a response to this madness, which had already brutally exterminated millions of the White elite in Russia. They heroically sprang up like white blood cells to defend Europe from the Marxist cancer that was sure to destroy all of civilization if left unchecked.

Adolf Hitler recognized the Marxist doctrine for exactly what it was: essentially a war on the natural order of the world which can only lead to chaos, decay and destruction, to the temporary benefit of a few, but the eventual detriment of all. He warned of this in his book Mein Kampf, and dedicated every waking moment of his life to fighting against it.

Once Hitler came to power, the Jews were stripped of their power and the Cultural Marxists and Communist agitators were forced out of Germany or interned in concentration camps as enemies of the state. Germany, once free of this plague, quickly rose to glorious heights such as the world has never seen—possibly the pinnacle of all human civilization.

Germany was, of course, destroyed in WWII, thanks to the power that the Jews and Communists already had over the minds and governments of most of the rest of the world, whom they convinced to destroy Germany even though it was against the majority of their best interests.

And so triumphed Marxism over National Socialism, and tyranny over civilization.

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It's a political philosophy that correctly diagnoses the problems with Capitalism but doesn't really offer any suitable solution or alternative.



Outside of that, just read the Communist Manifesto. It's not that long. Das Kapital is a more expansive read but unnecessary.
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To paraphrase: a boot stomping on a human head, forever. An idea popular among people who think utopia is possible, and achieving it requires destroying all individual love, motivations, family, desires to improve themselves over others. It requires believing humans can be turned into cold robots, with existence merely being as a cog in a machine. A machine crafted by the anointed bureaucrats, who are merely royalty by another name, but with control over all aspects of the public's life. The belief that the state should decide both supply of goods and to a large extent even the demand.


It's for retards who've never actually given any real thought as to how their fantasy goals are achieved. It's big on equity, not equality. It requires thinking of life as a zero sum game. If someone has a lot of money then that somehow had to have gotten it through manipulating or oppressing others. It means you should want to be a highly specialized surgeon working 14 hour days and expect no better pay than the dude sweeping floors that is drunk and sleeping in his car for half of his 6 hour shifts. If you think it is unfair it's because you haven't been properly melded into "the new man" and you need reeducation (talk of utopia, heavy doses of guilt, threats and fear) to get yourself in line. You were born smarter and your ability is much higher, so you must give all of your effort possible, while the drunken floor sweeper gets all of the same things you do, because it's what he needs too. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Other than some personal belongings, everything belongs to the state, including the minds of you and your children.

A promise of utopia but bringing conditions worse than the darkest dystopian Hollywood movies, combined.
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Marxism is trying to play the sims with real people.

Somebody dreamed up their idea of a perfect world and how to bring that perfect world in to being, without considering human nature.

The moment you introduce enough real people, the theoretical construct breaks down and you are just left with a steaming pile of chit.

Have you seen the movie equilibrium? That is a movie about how to create a marxist society: drug everybody until they have limited emotions and free will. The moment more than a few regain their emotions, the house of cards falls down.
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Will try and give a detailed/comprehensive answer.

It's a method of analysis of the progression and change of human societies, class structures, economies and so forth. Derived from Hegels dialetic method, which posited that conflicts between two contrasting viewpoints are resolved by revisiting the presuppositions of the disagreement itself and coming to a higher plane, or stage of understanding.

Applied to human societies it means that Marx believed there were internal contradictions between the material needs and wants of ruling classes and the underclass, which led to conflict, and ultimately was resolved with revolution of some kind which led to society then transforming to a "higher" plane, which was an entirely new socioeconomic structure.

He viewed the historical order of progression being slave societies -> feudalism -> capitalism.

He also saw internal contradictions within capitalism which he studied in England and Germany in the 1800s, between the bourgeoisie (who owned and controlled the means of production) and the proletariat (who had to sell their labour power to capitalists in exchange for a wage to survive) which he believed would ultimately result in its collapse and a similar transformation which would leave communism - a stateless and classless society.

It's worth remembering that a lot of the specifics of Marxian economics was pretty mainstream at the time. Things like the Labour theory of value, and the "tendency of the rate of profit to fall", were all concepts espoused by and studied by classical economists like Adam Smith and David Ricardo. Marx just developed them in a different framework.

Generally, probably the most poorly understood and least seriously read doctrine there is. A decent amount of what Marx said about capitalism is ultimately true, but our combination of capitalist production with liberal democratic governance and welfare/state support of the disadvantaged has actually turned out to be remarkably stable so far. And so his general idea of how capitalism would come to fall (eg. his imiseration thesis) has not come to pass.

There are excellent criticisms of Marx, but generally they come from the left. I'm not sure I've come across anyone on the right who's actually read anything further than the synopsis of the commie manifesto - eg. Jordan Peterson in his embarrassing "debate" with Zizek.
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Marxism is a fantasy that ignores human nature.

But capitalism is heading the same direction, it just is taking longer.
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Originally Posted By Leonydus
The new strategy, known asCultural Marxism, combined Marx’s theories with those of another Jew, Sigmund Freud, and was to use anti-Western propaganda to attack and tear down all traditions, sexual morality and Christianity and to deliberately break apart the nuclear family.

Many of the preeminent Cultural Marxist thinkers during the 20s and 30s were Jewish intellectuals based in Frankfurt, Germany, at the Institute of Social Research, better known as the ‘Frankfurt School.’ Instead of the ‘class warfare’ that traditional Marxism focused on, they now developed ‘critical theory,’ which attacked Western culture as being evil and oppressive toward minority groups such as Jews, non-Whites, homosexuals, and even women. This served the Communist cause of destroying White society by inciting hatred in all of these so-called minority groups while simultaneously inducing feelings of guilt in normal White people.

They also created ‘political correctness,’ where any objection to the Cultural Marxist agenda would not be met with logical debate but rather with smear terms such as “racist,” “bigot,” “homophobe,” “sexist,” etc.

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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny
Marxism is trying to play the sims with real people.

Somebody dreamed up their idea of a perfect world and how to bring that perfect world in to being,without considering human nature.

The moment you introduce enough real people, the theoretical construct breaks down and you are just left with a steaming pile of chit.

Have you seen the movie equilibrium? That is a movie about how to create a marxist society: drug everybody until they have limited emotions and free will. The moment more than a few regain their emotions, the house of cards falls down.
Bolded is one of the biggest things, and one of the biggest failings of all of this "woke" and related type shyt...wanting to completely ignore the unsavory aspects of human nature, and the fact that a lot of people just are not inherently good. At least the useful idiots anyway, the people behind the curtain likely know exactly what they are doing and don't have that same delusion.
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Marxism is the call for eradication of socioeconomic classes and reallocation of private property to achieve equitable outcomes for all, through whatever means necessary, including violence

It's a socially untenable ideal just like laissez-faire capitalism. The ideal of equitable outcomes for unequal inputs is probably just as unfair as unhindered, unregulated monopolization of capital would be
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Marxism is the economic system where the working class or proletariat owns the results of their labor themselves, not capitalists that hire them for their labor. It can be idealistically attractive, but it only works in very small groups where everyone is emotionally invested in the success of the group (like small commune farms or whatever). It larger societies, there is too much incentive for an individual to try to skate by on the work of others since the production is pooled for everyone at the end of the day, which leads to the need for a power structure in place to ensure that each worker is pulling their weight and typically ends up with an autocratic dictatorship type government that actually benefits only an elite class of aristocrats at the top of the pyramid, so in the end, when applied large scale, it actually typically creates the exact type of classicism that it ideologically is meant to destroy. There is also a great deal of economic inefficiency due to the level of planning required because there are no natural market forces driving an equilibrium.

"Cultural Marxism" has nothing to do with Karl Marx or communism or economics at all, and is just a word used to demonize far left social programs by associating them with failed Marxist economic systems.
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Originally Posted By Jayarbie
"Cultural Marxism" has nothing to do with Karl Marx or communism or economics at all, and is just a word used to demonize far left social programs by associating them with failed Marxist economic systems.
I mean...a big part of "Cultural Marxism" is swapping in things like race/sex/sexual preference/etc. out to take the place of bourgeois vs proletariat to fan the flames of division and resentment.
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A system where the majority is deprived and oppressed by a minority.
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20
To paraphrase: a boot stomping on a human head, forever. An idea popular among people who think utopia is possible, and achieving it requires destroying all individual love, motivations, family, desires to improve themselves over others. It requires believing humans can be turned into cold robots, with existence merely being as a cog in a machine. A machine crafted by the anointed bureaucrats, who are merely royalty by another name, but with control over all aspects of the public's life. The belief that the state should decide both supply of goods and to a large extent even the demand.


It's for retards who've never actually given any real thought as to how their fantasy goals are achieved. It's big on equity, not equality. It requires thinking of life as a zero sum game. If someone has a lot of money then that somehow had to have gotten it through manipulating or oppressing others. It means you should want to be a highly specialized surgeon working 14 hour days and expect no better pay than the dude sweeping floors that is drunk and sleeping in his car for half of his 6 hour shifts. If you think it is unfair it's because you haven't been properly melded into "the new man" and you need reeducation (talk of utopia, heavy doses of guilt, threats and fear) to get yourself in line. You were born smarter and your ability is much higher, so you must give all of your effort possible, while the drunken floor sweeper gets all of the same things you do, because it's what he needs too. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Other than some personal belongings, everything belongs to the state, including the minds of you and your children.

A promise of utopia but bringing conditions worse than the darkest dystopian Hollywood movies, combined.
None of this is consistent with anything written by Marx.
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A system wherein God is out and man is in as the center of everything. It has led to all the -isms being drummed up and exploited. The erosion of society is its intended goal, a lie straight from the pit of hell. Government controls everything under it. Government ruins everything under it. Freedom is lost to the majority for the sake a small minority. In the end, we all lose.
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Originally Posted By hendrixfreak70
A system wherein God is out and man is in as the center of everything. It has led to all the -isms being drummed up and exploited. The erosion of society is its intended goal, a lie straight from the pit of hell. Government controls everything under it. Government ruins everything under it. Freedom is lost to the majority for the sake a small minority. In the end, we all lose.
This seems like the opposite of Marxism.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
This seems like the opposite of Marxism.
Marxism, socialism, communism... it's all the same crap.
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Marxism is the call for eradication of socioeconomic classes and reallocation of private property to achieve equitable outcomes for all, through whatever means necessary, including violence

It's a socially untenable ideal just like laissez-faire capitalism. The ideal of equitable outcomes for unequal inputs is probably just as unfair as unhindered, unregulated monopolization of capital would be
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Originally Posted By hendrixfreak70
Marxism, socialism, communism... it's all the same crap.
All three of those theories/ideologies are anti-state, so all three are the opposite of what your described.
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Originally Posted By umop3pisdn
Whether you agree/disagree with it, in your own words, what is marxism?
The answers in the thread are literally the definition of moronic as these people are providing information based on nothing but their imagination.

Marxism:

Humans have been around about 24 million years and for hundreds of thousands of years people have had some kind of civilization.

During most of that time, people worked together to get food, clothes, and shelter.

You didn't have to be paid or drafted to go out and hunt animals for food, they just did it because everyone needed food.

You made clothes and shoes based on the animals, etc you got and people worked together to do that too.

If someone came up with a new idea for a weapon, clothing, etc they talked about it with the tribe, tried it out, etc. No one kept it secret or took the credit from the guy that actually invented it, and so on.

So, humans have always been Communist in nature.

Marx noticed that the Industrial Revolution ended that for people as they did not work together but worked for a guy that had money.

Money is an invention and Marx pointed out that it turned people into whores and slaves.

Previously, humans could just get what they needed from the land. After money and rich people came into existence, you cannot get what you need, you must serve the rich guy and be his whore/slave to obtain resources.

Marx also talked about how people can become obsessed with seeming rich and develop absurd ideas about life. For instance, in a capitalist society, I can make a sneaker and put a Nike logo on it and even though it's exactly the same, you will say it's "counterfeit" because it wasn't mad by Nike.

That's called a Commodity Fetish.

So, capitalism causes:

1. Women to be whores, as they don't meet a guy and make friends, like in ancient times, but rather they are purchased by a man with money, if the woman is a good enough "buy" or product.

2. All people are slaves because they cannot obtain their own resources without money. So, they must work for money to obtain what they should be able to get for free.

3. People develop insane beliefs about consumer goods and are in a race to get products they see as "premium" thus making them slaves to consumerism.


Revolution:

Marx believed that since this is not the natural state for humans, they will get tired of being whores and slaves. They will realize that they are slaves and simply get tired of it.

This isn't about violence but the same as we here think about "clown world". We are not participating and so the revolution is thought oriented and not war oriented.

You can't make people believe through violence.

So, people will just stop believing in capitalism.

Then, people will form workers' unions to figure out how to provide for people.

So, we are now going back to ancient times only instead of hunting with sticks we will be using modern technology to make food, houses, etc for people to live.

Marx predicted that capitalism is a "bump in the road" and that humans will get back to tribal life, only with modern technology.
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an ideology where the means of production belong to the masses instead of the few
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian
The answers in the thread are literally the definition of moronic as these people are providing information based on nothing but their imagination.

Marxism:

Humans have been around about 24 million years and for hundreds of thousands of years people have had some kind of civilization.

During most of that time, people worked together to get food, clothes, and shelter.

You didn't have to be paid or drafted to go out and hunt animals for food, they just did it because everyone needed food.

You made clothes and shoes based on the animals, etc you got and people worked together to do that too.

If someone came up with a new idea for a weapon, clothing, etc they talked about it with the tribe, tried it out, etc. No one kept it secret or took the credit from the guy that actually invented it, and so on.

So, humans have always been Communist in nature.

Marx noticed that the Industrial Revolution ended that for people as they did not work together but worked for a guy that had money.

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Not going to bother replying to your entire post but you obviously missed a few steps between communism -> industrial revolution

civilized cultures were oligarchies, republics, etc long before the industrial revolution and capitalism

Native americans were essentially communists and they were regarded as primitive savages relative to European cultures
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Originally Posted By sgregor249
an ideology where the means of production belong to the masses instead of the few
That's just socialism/communism in general. Marxism was a particular materialist method of analysis of the progression of human societies based on the relationship and contradictions/conflicts between ruling classes and the underclass. "All history is the history of class struggle" as he put it.

Marxists clashed with other kinds of socialists on various things.
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Originally Posted By hendrixfreak70
Marxism, socialism, communism... it's all the same crap.
^^This.

Yes, there are differences, but at the end of the day, all of it is being implemented to get to the same destination....the end of American sovereignty and the constitution. That can only succeed by removing one specific demographic from the equation.
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An anti-Semitic dog whistle according to my colleagues at the ADL
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Originally Posted By ForumPatrol
Not going to bother replying to your entire post but you obviously missed a few steps between communism -> industrial revolution

civilized cultures were oligarchies, republics, etc long before the industrial revolution and capitalism

Native americans were essentially communists and they were regarded as primitive savages relative to European cultures
Who cares?

That's not what Marxism is about.
If you want to ask me a question:

Ask: TheAdlerian

http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=150655983&p=1000366043#post1000366043

Read my science fiction novel:

http://www.amazon.com/Echelon-Adlerian-ebook/dp/B00RCFFTKC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419640250&sr=8-1&keywords=Echelon+the+adlerian
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