https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1682964323

Backstory thread above.

OK, I have done some research into this, but am definitely going in less blind than before.

I was going through forums / videos and have questions, if any one would be kind to answer.

Chassis: does price matter? Are there ones I should avoid? This is not for a laptop, but basically what I'm getting at, is that I have read some laptop models cause the keyboard to melt. I'm wondering if there are issues with certain PC chassis?

CPU, I saw something saying if there is high CPU + low GPU it causes stuttering and all that. How do I prevent that? Obviously a computer needs a CPU, but I guess my question is, is there something I need to look out for? Can someone recommend me one, so I have a point of reference.

MBO, does price for this matter? It just looks like a motherboard, are there differences between these I need to be aware of?

GRA. I will need a better than average one since I will be using it for video editing. The only game I can think of playing atm will be Left 4 Dead 2 (and I'm aware a cheap $600 computer can run this, but will be interested in playing other games in the future as well). For now, let's assume I will stick to 1st person shooters, and assume I'm a YouTuber who needs to edit videos just for sake of clarity lol will probably sound like a boomer now, but want to be able to play YouTube videos at 1080p without loud fans running in the background. My current PC is old, and if I play 480 or higher it sounds like an industrial fan.

RAM. Going with 32GB, it's not expensive at all. It says it's usually overkill for most people, but might as well.

SSD. Hoping to get something with at least 2TB, so this doesn't really matter unless there is something I'm missing here. Does having less memory do things vs high memory because this is just storage if I'm not mistaken?

PSU. This is the power supply, and looking online has basically said to avoid these? What should I get? Or is the below list misleading?

Diablotek
Apevia
Coolmax
Logisys
Sparkle
NZXT
Enermax
Cougar
Bitfenix
FSP
Corsair
Antec
Cooler master
Be quiet!
Fractal Design
SilverStone

I will try to answer questions. I really want help with this otherwise I will be at the mercy of the salesman, so am hoping to educate myself on these topics. Misc does excellent explaining things, so hoping for the best.

What is your budget?

I was hoping not more than $2000 but if that's unrealistic, let me know. A computer is an investment, so I will spend more if I need to especially since I use it for everything.

Basically I'm not in danger of going broke if I were to buy a even a $10K computer, but I definitely don't need it to be THAT expensive. The person I know plays I think EVE online (if I remember correctly, or some game similar to it) so he spent serious money on it like $20K.

Honestly 2k is overkill. What resolution do you play at?

Brah, you are my lifeline right now. Here is basically why I am so retarded when it comes to PCs for gaming.

This will be my first one. I have only played console, and literally was only playing decade+ old games from college till now. Think SNES to xbox360. The newest game I bought was GTA V to give you an idea of how bad it is.

I literally have no clue what I would be playing, but would it be that much of a deal breaker? Is it safe to assume 1080p? I'm basically a casual gamer now for being so out of videogames of a while, but want to get back into it somewhat

So technology gets outdated very fast so overspending beyond mid-range results in throwing money away.

For your case I would consider a few CPUs.
5600, 5700x, 7600, 13600k, and 7800x3d.
The 5600 is the value king at present. Does a solid job at everything. The 5700x is a little more, but has 2 more cores and 4 more threads that will help with your rendering. 7600 is the best value NEW system now for a gaming focused machine. The 13600k is roughly tied with the 7600 in gaming, but murders it in productivity. The 7800x3d is the best gaming CPU full stop and is competent in productivity. Spending anything more is a waste.

Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 is currently one of the best air coolers out there are an excellent price.

Motherboard is typically something where you can cut costs. I sort by price on PC partpicker looking for a few key features and pick one that has 4+ stars and lots of reviews. AM4 is end of life (5600 and 5700x). LG1700 is end of life (13600k). AM5 probably has 2 generations left so you have a cheap upgrade option in a couple years. (7600 and 7800x3d)

RAM: This is dirt cheap right now. The 5600, 5700x, 7600 want good ram. The 13600k and 7800x3d are less ram sensitive. Ram has two main parts to look at. Speed and Cas Latency. High speed low Latency is better.

SSDs: You want an NVME drive with a dram cache. These are also dirt cheap right now. Game load times are only 0.2 seconds faster from the worst NVME drive and the fastest NVME drive. The 2 TB 670p hits $73 dollars frequently and is a good budget option. For $130 you can get a high quality NVME 4.0 drive that is fast.

Cases are preference, but get one on Gamers Nexuses approved airflow cases and not a hot box.

PSU. Here is your bible.https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/Get C class or better.

GPUS. For rendering you should heavily favor NVIDA. However, for gaming purposes everything up to $600 is killed by value by AMD. The 4070ti is a good option for 1440p gaming and so is the 7900xt. Below that I would probably get that 6700xt for $320 right now.

Thanks for the resources. Will look into this in detail and add to my notes over the weekend. Fuuk thanks for responding.

Edit: will rep once I am able to.

You hit diminishing returns in price for PC cases. My current build is in a LianLi Lancool 216, which you can buy for $100.

https://www.amazon.com/Lian-Li-Tempe...0BRP58KHT?th=1

One thing to keep in mind when looking at cases: you want to make sure they are wide enough to support modern video cards. Video cards nowadays are extremely wide, and most have power cables that require even more space to connect. You can buy a 90 degree adapter for power cables, but its easier to just buy a case that fits to begin with.

My last case was a LianLi O11 dynamic, and I had to bend the power cables on my 3080 to get the side to close. For comparison, the Lancool 216 I have now easily fits a much larger card with room to spare.I have never heard of that, unless by stuttering you mean low fps. For which CPU, we need to know more about what you are going to use it for to give better recommendations. A 7800x3d will crush other CPUs in gaming, but will also lose in productivity apps.

Also, it is worthwhile to get a CPU slightly ahead of the curve. I am still using a 5950x that I bought 2.5 years ago, and it's still really fast.Motherboard is arguably where you can spend the least money. As long as it supports your chipset and has all the features you want (built in Wifi, etc.) and supports whatever RAM you buy (DDR4 vs DDR5) you're good.For video editing, this steers you away from AMD and towards Nvidia. I don't do any video editing but I do do 3D work, and having Optix (Nvidia only) plus all the RT cores that Nvidia cards have is a must. AMD also doesn't support CUDA which is another huge blow.

Another benefit is that Nvidia GPUs (especially the 4000 series) are WAY more power efficient than AMD and thus run cooler. Another benefit still is that Nvidia drivers tend to be much more stable than AMD, so you will run into less issues (this has largely been fixed in recent years though).

Keeping going, if you plan to do any gaming at all, I would definitely recommend a 4000 series vs a 3000 series because it gives you into DLSS 3 and other features that the 3000 series doesn't have. It gets a little tricky to recommend cards here, but a 4070ti (especially at 1080p) would last you for years. It does only have 12gb of ram though, which sadly is almost outdated even though the card just released, but for 1080p that will be enough for years still.Yes, at least 32gb of ram. It sounds like a lot but you can eat up RAM fast, especially in a productivity workload which sounds sounds like what you will be doing. Also go with DDR5 since the price different vs DDR4 is minuscule.If you had less memory, the hard drive would have to be paged more to load data, but with 32gb you will be fine. Get a m.2 NVME drive that you can install directly into your motherboard. Something like this is more than fine. I used a Samsung 1TB 980 for years with no issues.

https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-Inter.../dp/B08RK2SR23For PSUs, you can't just toss out entire brand names. Be quiet!, Cooler Master, and NZXT are pretty good brands. Corsair makes the most bought power supply on the market and is generally extremely high quality.

I would actually recommend a Corsair power supply if we were just going by brands. What's more important though is their rating. You want a PSU with at least gold rating. The PSU's rating is essentially its efficiency and also how stable it can deliver power to your system. Fluctuating power draw can lead to system instability. Also, gold rating means if you buy a 1000w power supply, the PSU can actually give you near 1000w sustained draw. If you were to buy a bronze 1000w supply, the PSU might can only give you 800w and if you go over that the PSU could fail or cause issues.

Further, buy AT LEAST a 850w power supply nowadays. I would actually recommend a 1000w to give yourself headroom. GPU power draw a few years ago was ~250w... now you can see 400-500 watts depending on the card. My two year old 3080 would hit 370w sustained, which is nuts. So just spend the money and give yourself room to grow.

If I was buying a machine today and not planning on upgrading for 5+ years I would get something like this.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU:Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor($314.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler:Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler($38.00)
Motherboard:Asus PRIME Z690-P WIFI D4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard($149.99 @ Newegg)
Memory:TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory($58.99 @ Amazon)
Storage:Intel 670p 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive($72.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card:MSI GAMING TRIO CLASSIC Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB Video Card($779.24 @ Newegg)
Case:Lian Li O11 Dynamic Mini ATX Mid Tower Case w/750 W Power Supply($169.99 @ Newegg Sellers)
Monitor:Gigabyte M32Q 31.5" 2560 x 1440 170 Hz Monitor($359.99 @ Newegg)
Total:$1944.18
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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