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06-17-2023, 11:50 PM
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The universe makes no sense
Ever think about it and realize nothing makes sense?
Has it always been there? If so, how does that work? Where it came from? If it hasn’t always been there, then what does that mean? Nothingness makes no sense, so the universe having a beginning doesn’t work. The universe not having a beggining and always been there also doesn’t work, both are concepts that our minds can’t comprehend.
Space-size, does it have an end? If so what’s beyond? Nothing being beyond the universe makes no sense as well. Science says the universe is “expanding”, expanding into what exactly? Occupying what space? If there’s nothing beyond, how can you expand into it?
The universe being infinite and not having an end also doesn’t make sense. The mere concept of infinity in practice doesn’t make sense.
Maybe that’s why the simulation theory is gaining traction among world renowned scientists. Sometimes I honestly believe we are a simulation, a highly advanced game of SIMS, and I believe our own humanity will have the technology and power in hundreds of years to create a video game advanced enough that maybe people inside it will also think they are real.
I mean, Watch how video games have advanced in technology since the 70s. Compare the old 2d games with the crazy virtual 3D huge worlds we have now, that almost look like real life. Now imagine in 500 years the type of game or simulation that humans will be able to create? Then in a 1000 years?
That first black mirror episode made me think lol. If the universe is infinite In both time and space, we could very well be an advanced form of IA created by other beings that probably were created themselves too by beings before them. That also makes no sense tho since that would mean someone would have to be the first one which doesn’t answer how did they appear in the first place.
What I know is that humans aren’t meant to understand these concepts. We simply exist, but won’t ever be able to comprehend it. Perhaps because we aren’t part of the realm that actuallly existed and created us therefore we can’t understand it, just as Link from legend of Zelda for example won’t ever be able to understand our world or how does it work.
Has it always been there? If so, how does that work? Where it came from? If it hasn’t always been there, then what does that mean? Nothingness makes no sense, so the universe having a beginning doesn’t work. The universe not having a beggining and always been there also doesn’t work, both are concepts that our minds can’t comprehend.
Space-size, does it have an end? If so what’s beyond? Nothing being beyond the universe makes no sense as well. Science says the universe is “expanding”, expanding into what exactly? Occupying what space? If there’s nothing beyond, how can you expand into it?
The universe being infinite and not having an end also doesn’t make sense. The mere concept of infinity in practice doesn’t make sense.
Maybe that’s why the simulation theory is gaining traction among world renowned scientists. Sometimes I honestly believe we are a simulation, a highly advanced game of SIMS, and I believe our own humanity will have the technology and power in hundreds of years to create a video game advanced enough that maybe people inside it will also think they are real.
I mean, Watch how video games have advanced in technology since the 70s. Compare the old 2d games with the crazy virtual 3D huge worlds we have now, that almost look like real life. Now imagine in 500 years the type of game or simulation that humans will be able to create? Then in a 1000 years?
That first black mirror episode made me think lol. If the universe is infinite In both time and space, we could very well be an advanced form of IA created by other beings that probably were created themselves too by beings before them. That also makes no sense tho since that would mean someone would have to be the first one which doesn’t answer how did they appear in the first place.
What I know is that humans aren’t meant to understand these concepts. We simply exist, but won’t ever be able to comprehend it. Perhaps because we aren’t part of the realm that actuallly existed and created us therefore we can’t understand it, just as Link from legend of Zelda for example won’t ever be able to understand our world or how does it work.
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06-17-2023, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted By ChefSushi⏩
Some philosophers would love to respond to that. Perhaps I am.How do I know you are real and not a projection of my mind?
Count me out of the theory of evolution bull**** too btw. Darwin can SMD. I feel like that’s something we all take as facts because we learn it on school, and teachers tell us it’s real, but I’m not buying it, just as I didn’t buy that covid was a world destroyer and how we all needed a bunch of vax. People ate that **** up because someone with a tie said it, same for theory of evolution I think.
"The flowers bloom, then wither... The stars shine and one day become extinct. This earth, the sun, the galaxies and even the big universe, someday will be destroyed. Compared with that, the human life is only a blink, just a little time. In that short time - people are born, laugh, cry, fight, are injured, feel joy, sadness, hate someone, love someone. All in just a moment. And then, are embraced by the eternal sleep called death."
06-18-2023, 12:00 AM
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Yeah the simulation theory has gained traction in the past few years. There are some good videos on YouTube I'm sure you've seen. Check out the one by 'Cool Worlds'. Arguing that we are probably not in a simulation.
The whole we are in a simulation theory is predicated on us being able to achieve a similar simulation with consciousness in the far future. The scale of it would be insane, and I think it's totally possible that it is Not possible.
The whole we are in a simulation theory is predicated on us being able to achieve a similar simulation with consciousness in the far future. The scale of it would be insane, and I think it's totally possible that it is Not possible.
06-18-2023, 12:02 AM
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Nah, the number one thing that debunks this is pain and suffering
If there were no higher being there would be no suffering in this world
Man tries too hard to play God, your tune will change once you approach the end
If there were no higher being there would be no suffering in this world
Man tries too hard to play God, your tune will change once you approach the end
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Yeah that's crazy, man. How is Mexican DMT?
06-18-2023, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Chang is right.Some philosophers would love to respond to that. Perhaps I am.
Count me out of the theory of evolution bull**** too btw. Darwin can SMD. I feel like that’s something we all take as facts because we learn it on school, and teachers tell us it’s real, but I’m not buying it, just as I didn’t buy that covid was a world destroyer and how we all needed a bunch of vax. People ate that **** up because someone with a tie said it, same for theory of evolution I think.
Count me out of the theory of evolution bull**** too btw. Darwin can SMD. I feel like that’s something we all take as facts because we learn it on school, and teachers tell us it’s real, but I’m not buying it, just as I didn’t buy that covid was a world destroyer and how we all needed a bunch of vax. People ate that **** up because someone with a tie said it, same for theory of evolution I think.
We did NOT come from monkeys
06-18-2023, 12:07 AM
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Keep in mind, it’s all theoretical. 100 years ago they “proved” the sun revolved around the earth.
Obviously we know more today, however, scientists have become more determinist than even religious groups. Their lack of believing in God means they box themselves in for the possibilities. Many of these scientists simply allow their ego to close off their minds.
Religion created the search for truth and science. God was the metaphysical potential of truth. Today, scientists disconnect the metaphysical and physical completely and therefore they will eventually stop finding truth and just create fiction, believing it is truth. Unfortunately truth IS metaphysical
Obviously we know more today, however, scientists have become more determinist than even religious groups. Their lack of believing in God means they box themselves in for the possibilities. Many of these scientists simply allow their ego to close off their minds.
Religion created the search for truth and science. God was the metaphysical potential of truth. Today, scientists disconnect the metaphysical and physical completely and therefore they will eventually stop finding truth and just create fiction, believing it is truth. Unfortunately truth IS metaphysical
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06-18-2023, 12:09 AM
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06-18-2023, 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
The sun does revolve around the earth.Keep in mind, it’s all theoretical. 100 years ago they “proved” the sun revolved around the earth.
Obviously we know more today, however, scientists have become more determinist than even religious groups. Their lack of believing in God means they box themselves in for the possibilities. Many of these scientists simply allow their ego to close off their minds.
Religion created the search for truth and science. God was the metaphysical potential of truth. Today, scientists disconnect the metaphysical and physical completely and therefore they will eventually stop finding truth and just create fiction, believing it is truth. Unfortunately truth IS metaphysical
Obviously we know more today, however, scientists have become more determinist than even religious groups. Their lack of believing in God means they box themselves in for the possibilities. Many of these scientists simply allow their ego to close off their minds.
Religion created the search for truth and science. God was the metaphysical potential of truth. Today, scientists disconnect the metaphysical and physical completely and therefore they will eventually stop finding truth and just create fiction, believing it is truth. Unfortunately truth IS metaphysical
The earth is flat.
The ball earth can never be explained simply.
06-18-2023, 12:12 AM
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06-18-2023, 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted By DojahCat⏩
chimpanzeesThis is what I’m talking about
Your dumbass just made a stupid statement that nobody has said. It’s not believed we are from monkeys, but we share a common ancestor with chimpanzee’s
Your dumbass just made a stupid statement that nobody has said. It’s not believed we are from monkeys, but we share a common ancestor with chimpanzee’s
monkeys
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06-18-2023, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted By DojahCat⏩
We don't share a ancestor with chimpanzee's.This is what I’m talking about
Your dumbass just made a stupid statement that nobody has said. It’s not believed we are from monkeys, but we share a common ancestor with chimpanzee’s
Your dumbass just made a stupid statement that nobody has said. It’s not believed we are from monkeys, but we share a common ancestor with chimpanzee’s
06-18-2023, 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted By DojahCat⏩
Speaking dumbass “bold” statements.Another dumbass spitting bold statementsfor no reason. Religion is based on faith, science is based on tested theories and evidence. Not to mention there are actually many well renowned religious scientists so your point is not true. Michael faraday for example
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06-18-2023, 12:23 AM
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06-18-2023, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted By DojahCat⏩
ok wincelLol at double digit IQ cels
Step your knowledge up betas Before you try open your mouth
Step your knowledge up betas Before you try open your mouth
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06-18-2023, 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
So basically we don’t know ****. We make up **** as we go lol.Keep in mind, it’s all theoretical. 100 years ago they “proved” the sun revolved around the earth.
Obviously we know more today, however, scientists have become more determinist than even religious groups. Their lack of believing in God means they box themselves in for the possibilities. Many of these scientists simply allow their ego to close off their minds.
Religion created the search for truth and science. God was the metaphysical potential of truth. Today, scientists disconnect the metaphysical and physical completely and therefore they will eventually stop finding truth and just create fiction, believing it is truth. Unfortunately truth IS metaphysical
Obviously we know more today, however, scientists have become more determinist than even religious groups. Their lack of believing in God means they box themselves in for the possibilities. Many of these scientists simply allow their ego to close off their minds.
Religion created the search for truth and science. God was the metaphysical potential of truth. Today, scientists disconnect the metaphysical and physical completely and therefore they will eventually stop finding truth and just create fiction, believing it is truth. Unfortunately truth IS metaphysical
Think about it, what’s beyond the universe? Whats before/after it? Those questions are impossible to answer. The law of physics and our understanding of reality simply are incapable of such answers.
Ever been playing a game, and you reach the end of the world and simply have to turn back? There’s nothing beyond simply because nothing was programmed to be. Characters there just appeared out of nowhere just as our consciousness. We could very well may be an hyper advanced form of that.
"The flowers bloom, then wither... The stars shine and one day become extinct. This earth, the sun, the galaxies and even the big universe, someday will be destroyed. Compared with that, the human life is only a blink, just a little time. In that short time - people are born, laugh, cry, fight, are injured, feel joy, sadness, hate someone, love someone. All in just a moment. And then, are embraced by the eternal sleep called death."
06-18-2023, 12:30 AM
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06-18-2023, 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
An example is that there are a lot of scientists today who are claiming theoretical physics, like string theory etc, has been a huge waste of time and resources because of the lack of relevant and applicable findings. I think one even said “Imagine telling these thousands of scientists, who have worked their entire lives on this, that it was all a waste of time”. no one is going to do that, so we just let them keep going.So basically we don’t know ****. We make up **** as we go lol.
Think about it, what’s beyond the universe? Whats before/after it? Those questions are impossible to answer. The law of physics and our understanding of reality simply are incapable of such answers.
Ever been playing a game, and you reach the end of the world and simply have to turn back? There’s nothing beyond simply because nothing was programmed to be. Characters there just appeared out of nowhere just as our consciousness. We could very well may be an hyper advanced form of that.
Think about it, what’s beyond the universe? Whats before/after it? Those questions are impossible to answer. The law of physics and our understanding of reality simply are incapable of such answers.
Ever been playing a game, and you reach the end of the world and simply have to turn back? There’s nothing beyond simply because nothing was programmed to be. Characters there just appeared out of nowhere just as our consciousness. We could very well may be an hyper advanced form of that.
There are a LOT of scientists who believe it’s a bullchit area of science because it offers nothing and they can’t prove chit. We “know” something, but what good is useless information? For example, string theorists can make all of their theories work in a vacuum, but they can’t connect it to reality. That is the major conundrum.
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06-18-2023, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
conundrumAn example is that there are a lot of scientists today who are claiming theoretical physics, like string theory etc, has been a huge waste of time and resources because of the lack of relevant and applicable findings. I think one even said “Imagine telling these thousands of scientists, who have worked their entire lives on this, that it was all a waste of time”. no one is going to do that, so we just let them keep going.
There are a LOT of scientists who believe it’s a bullchit area of science because it offers nothing and they can’t prove chit. We “know” something, but what good is useless information? For example, string theorists can make all of their theories work in a vacuum, but they can’t connect it to reality. That is the major conundrum.
There are a LOT of scientists who believe it’s a bullchit area of science because it offers nothing and they can’t prove chit. We “know” something, but what good is useless information? For example, string theorists can make all of their theories work in a vacuum, but they can’t connect it to reality. That is the major conundrum.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
The concepts I mention in OP are simply beyond our brains capabilities. It’s not even on the same frequency or dimension.An example is that there are a lot of scientists today who are claiming theoretical physics, like string theory etc, has been a huge waste of time and resources because of the lack of relevant and applicable findings. I think one even said “Imagine telling these thousands of scientists, who have worked their entire lives on this, that it was all a waste of time”. no one is going to do that, so we just let them keep going.
There are a LOT of scientists who believe it’s a bullchit area of science because it offers nothing and they can’t prove chit. We “know” something, but what good is useless information? For example, string theorists can make all of their theories work in a vacuum, but they can’t connect it to reality. That is the major conundrum.
There are a LOT of scientists who believe it’s a bullchit area of science because it offers nothing and they can’t prove chit. We “know” something, but what good is useless information? For example, string theorists can make all of their theories work in a vacuum, but they can’t connect it to reality. That is the major conundrum.
It’s like expecting a calculator to paint you the Mona Lisa, or put it on top of a piano and tell it to recite you Beethoven’s fifth simphony. It’s just two different levels of reality.
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the idea of God makes more and more sense to me.
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Originally Posted By Goodguy03⏩
That theory encounters the same problems tho. Who or what created God? With what purpose?the idea of God makes more and more sense to me.
Religions fanatics will answer to that question with pure gibberish, as scientist that believe they are smarter than they actually are will attempt to answer the questions about the universe.
My theory is that our perception is only a fraction of what actual reality is. We know there are 4th dimensions, and that’s how we see things, but perhaps there’s another realm where they have a million more dimensions, and in that realm the beings actually are capable of understanding it all, simply because they are capable of it. And yeah we are all a creation of said beings, their entertainment or experiment. Or simply a mistake, or an accident, but here we are. Don’t try to explain how our world works to your Charizard from your old Pokémon red game, it won’t be able to understand it. Just as we aren’t able to understand what’s beyond our comprehension.
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06-18-2023, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Perhaps you’re asking the wrong questions, which is why you can’t get an anwer. That’s the point though. Scientists may be asking the wrong questions completely in some areas.That theory encounters the same problems tho. Who or what created God? With what purpose?
I’m no longer a big fan of Neil Tyson, however, he does make some good points. If a super intelligent being came to Earth, what would you ask it? It wouldn’t matter, because they are so far advanced, not only would we not know what questions to ask, but we wouldn’t be able to comprehend the answers even if we did know the right questions to ask.
our brains are limited. There is point where we don’t even know what question to ask, even if we think we do. Where does God come from? Why do you NEED to know that? Is the idea of him having been here forever not good enough? Is for me. Time to move on to something relevant to the meaning of life, which is where God puts me.
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Originally Posted By DojahCat⏩
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take effect in any living organisms so it does not account for the existence of life & reality. Evolution is impossible because it goes against the Law of Entropy & the Second Law of Thermodynamics because evolution supposedly makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an evolutionist said, “No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special creation. God’s existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated is his handy work in the intelligently designed manner that creation was made.Charles Darwin did not even come up with the theory of evolution over 200yrs ago as it is mentioned in the writings of the Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense after nothing has evolved for over a thousand years of human history & supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years.
Evolution is based on two faulty assumptions:
1. mutations make something new and 2. natural selection makes it survive and take over the population. Evolution is a religion of death not life.
“No matter how numerous they may be, mutations do not produce any kind of evolution.”
Pierre-Paul Grasse, Evolution of Living Organisms 1977, p. 88
*They rearrange existing information but do not increase genetic complexity
“In all the reading I’ve done in the life-sciences literature, I’ve never found a mutation that added information. . . . All point mutations that have been studied on the molecular level turn out to reduce the genetic information and not increase it.”
Lee Spetner, Not By Chance!: Shattering the Modern Theory of Evolution (Brooklyn, N.Y.: Judaica Press, 1997), 131, 138.
“Natural selection may have a stabilizing effect, but it does not promote speciation. It is not a creative force as many people have suggested.”
Daniel Brooks “A downward Slope to Greater Diversity,” Science, Vol. 217, 24 September 1982, p. 1240
“Natural selection can act only on those biologic properties that already exist; it cannot create properties in order to meet adaptational needs.”
Parasitology, 6th ed. Lea & Febiger, p. 516.
Survival of the fittest does not explain the arrival of the fittest!
By the way: “Survival of the fittest” is a tautology.
Q. Why did it survive? A. Because it is the fittest.
Q. How do you know it is the fittest? A. Because it survived.
^ circular reasoning
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
You just reworded everything I already said lol, except for the last part of your post which is basically your way of coping with the fact that indeed the universe makes no sense. You want to go the religion route which is okay I guess, kind of the easy way out of the question but still, at the end of the day you and I are like two insects talking or debating quantum mechanics. We are so far off ever understanding it, who knows maybe one insect actually gets it right out of blind luck.Perhaps you’re asking the wrong questions, which is why you can’t get an anwer. That’s the point though. Scientists may be asking the wrong questions completely in some areas.
I’m no longer a big fan of Neil Tyson, however, he does make some good points. If a super intelligent being came to Earth, what would you ask it? It wouldn’t matter, because they are so far advanced, not only would we not know what questions to ask, but we wouldn’t be able to comprehend the answers even if we did know the right questions to ask.
our brains are limited. There is point where we don’t even know what question to ask, even if we think we do. Where does God come from? Why do you NEED to know that? Is the idea of him having been here forever not good enough? Is for me. Time to move on to something relevant to the meaning of life, which is where God puts me.
I’m no longer a big fan of Neil Tyson, however, he does make some good points. If a super intelligent being came to Earth, what would you ask it? It wouldn’t matter, because they are so far advanced, not only would we not know what questions to ask, but we wouldn’t be able to comprehend the answers even if we did know the right questions to ask.
our brains are limited. There is point where we don’t even know what question to ask, even if we think we do. Where does God come from? Why do you NEED to know that? Is the idea of him having been here forever not good enough? Is for me. Time to move on to something relevant to the meaning of life, which is where God puts me.
"The flowers bloom, then wither... The stars shine and one day become extinct. This earth, the sun, the galaxies and even the big universe, someday will be destroyed. Compared with that, the human life is only a blink, just a little time. In that short time - people are born, laugh, cry, fight, are injured, feel joy, sadness, hate someone, love someone. All in just a moment. And then, are embraced by the eternal sleep called death."
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