This guy breaks down the odds for women re: securing a committed relationship + children:



I know miscers won't be shocked to hear that times are very very good for the top 10% of men, aka: High Value Males. It's alright for a smaller percentage of women and then just tough for everyone else. Though he says at age 30 is when things shift in the favor of men vs. women. Below is his outline of the possible scenarios and how many women land in each one.

Cliffs:

Women face one of the following endgames:

a] woman maintains her demands and secures a HVM: 1% of women

b] woman accepts less from a man and beats the competition to secure a HVM: 6% of women

*He estimates 33% of HVM enjoy playing the field and aren't going to agree to be exclusive*

c] woman maintains standards, fails to get HVM, settles for beta male: 53% of women

d] woman lowers her demands and settles for a beta male: 15% of women

e] woman neither lowers demands nor settles and fail to secure a partner: 25% of women, though he says he thinks this will move towards 1 in 3 women- mentions that 80% of women who never had children wanted to have them and had no known physical reason that they couldn't conceive


So only 1% of HBB are winning the best relationships with the best men. Another 6% win HVM, but do so by maybe accepting him still sleeping around/having other relationships. The majority who don't end up alone settle for someone less attractive than they would like, or settle for both a less attractive partner and a lower quality relationship.

And for his purposes it's over @ 40 which is likely true for most women when it comes to having children.

Good morning Katya

so wait, HVM are 10% and the remaining 90% are all betas?

no

I agree with that part.

Absolutely brutal red pill

I don't see how this is different than days passed

How many dudes you fuking rn Katya?

Everyone is living in a fantasy and wants mr/mrs.perfect

Reality doesn't work like that. You find someone that checks most of the boxes you want and compromise with the rest.

To be fair, this would be worded a lot better if it was written neutrally.

The 53% that settles for a beta male are 100% low value/high body count women typically. Occasionally you'll get a HBB that was cheated on and becomes so mentally ill that she can no longer have a relationship with anyone besides a soy who leaves his phone unlocked next to her all day.

motivation to keep doing well, thanks!!

Well this is about SMV, not character or moral fiber.
I mean per misc threads on income and COL top 10% is just making it.
1] does not account for divorce

2] yes, but this analysis was about the male/female dynamic of sex vs. relationships with women being the gatekeeper for sex and men being the gatekeepers for relationship

We have lots and lots of single moms now. More everyday.

I think he's missing an important point here: that the nature of relationships themselves has changed in modern times. A lot of women are going to be going the IVF route and staying single.
There are also a lot of women out there who fall for the trap of thinking relationships and family are negligible, forgoing it all entirely. Then there are the women who would rather be single "baddies" with kids.

Sure most of them will wind up regretting not getting into a relationship and building a family, but for the time being, in their most fertile years, they will flout it almost entirely. A lot of people are seeing traditions of nuclear families as outdated and vying for some newer "situations" or some such colloquialism garbage in the modern era.

At least that's a lot of what I'm seeing.Lol yeah pretty much

I don't know what svm is

oh yea, that's not a 10/90 split - that's just foolish

On age: why would a HVM in his 40s want a 40 year old who had her eggs frozen, over a 29 year old still rather ripe? My wife is 7 years younger than me as an example. I met her when I was 31.

On "value": that so many refer to marriage as "settling" is a sign of cope. If your partner isn't challenging you to be a better version of yourself, and supporting you on that journey, you have lost. Plain and simple. It is the support that is missing from many modern marriages. Traditional "role divisions" help with this, dead srs. My wife thanks me regularly for my career / income /investments (she doesn't even know their extent or looks at them - she doesn't have to) regularly. On top of being a great lover and father to our baby.

Folks need to get better at understanding what they want. If you do not want to have kids: DO NOT HAVE THEM!! FFS so many people do and this creates a cycle of generational trauma. You don't want to be married? Don't! Not sure if "she is good enough"? Move on!

Yeesh.

I see these female fitness YouTubers who are like 35, and they sort of become crazy, literally talking about how NOW they're ready to start a family, and they're looking for a man with the same goal.

Thing is, if you're a high value male, you don't really want a 35 year old to start a family with.

Sort of, yes. He is talking about how women want to pair with someone who ranks higher than themselves, or is at least at a roughly equal level.

Says that a lot of the women who end up in the last category are successful in their careers which they have put a lot of effort into, so they are not willing to settle. However by the nature of the thing they are older having put years of their life into building that success and so they have a lower SMV.
Sexual Market Value I think.

- looks
- money
- social value

That sort of thing.

listening to women = end of your race. srs


ded fkn Srs

Howey Katya....

Some interesting cliffs.

My perceptions in this context?
The nuclear family has been taking a long, slow nose dive for some time.
Add social media to the dating (hook up) plate along with western women highly over valuing their SMV and their personal accolades I don't see it changing any time soon.
I'd like to be wrong on that perception.

I don't have a dog in this fight but society is going to do what society is going to do.
If I were a young man today I just wouldn't play the game and just remain the Lone Wolf for many legit reasons.
It's a shame, actually.

Back to it....

Way too low IMO, id go as high as 50% srs. I expect in 2030 and beyond for half of marriage age women to be completely single. Same for men of course.


Also, all the stats about women that do lower their standards and settle with the beta, gotta have in mind the type of dynamic that this situation brings into the relationship. Tl;dr, you dont wanna be the beta guy that a woman "settles" for, that comes with so many gotdamn problems that it is simply not worth it. When beta males realize this, IMO thats when it will result in an over 50% of people being completely single.


I expect also open and normal poly relationships after 2030. Just one guy in a relationship with 2 or more women, openly, everyone knowing whats up.

right - 90% of men do not fall into beta category on those

Yes, maybe. I tried to give his general idea without writing a book.

It wasn't that these men are "bad", just that they are perhaps lower status [tradies] or less financially successful [academics] in someway.
That is in there. Says these "strong woman don't need no man" women seem happy enough during their younger years. Once they pass 40? 50? We'll see.

that's still not 90% of guys

some of you overthink this stuff way to much