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09-05-2023, 02:08 PM
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What if the Fed doesn’t lower rates? [KLAUS][CONSPIRACY THREAD]
Basically at the moment what everyone expects is we'll see the yield curve uninversion soon and things will go to chit for a bit. Then the fed lowers rates again and we pump into new ATHs.
But if Klaus and his gang control the Fed and ECB, wouldn't this play be much better?
1. Short the fukk out of the market
2. Dry up liquidity, never lower rates and crash everything
3. Take everything from the plebs who were long with their measly savings
4. Buy all the bankrupt companies for cheap
5. Communism
Edit:
- the inflation problem has been engineered through the scamdemic
- gives you extra liquidity for the big short
- never let a good crisis go to waste
- own nothing, be happy
But if Klaus and his gang control the Fed and ECB, wouldn't this play be much better?
1. Short the fukk out of the market
2. Dry up liquidity, never lower rates and crash everything
3. Take everything from the plebs who were long with their measly savings
4. Buy all the bankrupt companies for cheap
5. Communism
Edit:
- the inflation problem has been engineered through the scamdemic
- gives you extra liquidity for the big short
- never let a good crisis go to waste
- own nothing, be happy
09-05-2023, 02:14 PM
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could be mate
09-05-2023, 11:14 PM
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Where is Katja when you need her smh
09-06-2023, 12:54 AM
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Unless I’m missing something it’s the same thing. The Fed is a relatively independent institution and is going to destroy the economy because inflation was becoming entrenched.
The only question is just how bad things will get. There could be a mild recession with massive QE or there could be a large sell off to a black swan event the economy doesn’t recover from for years. The degree these events impact the economy and the markets are driven by fundamentals and Fed response but also emotional reactions of market participants such that no one knows the final outcome, not the Fed or even Cuck Schwab himself
Either way whipsawing of the economy will cause inefficiencies in markets, just rarely ones that 99% of people without industry knowledge know how to take advantage of
The only question is just how bad things will get. There could be a mild recession with massive QE or there could be a large sell off to a black swan event the economy doesn’t recover from for years. The degree these events impact the economy and the markets are driven by fundamentals and Fed response but also emotional reactions of market participants such that no one knows the final outcome, not the Fed or even Cuck Schwab himself
Either way whipsawing of the economy will cause inefficiencies in markets, just rarely ones that 99% of people without industry knowledge know how to take advantage of
09-06-2023, 12:57 AM
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09-06-2023, 02:06 AM
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If it comes to it, ill own nothing and disappear from "the grid"
09-06-2023, 02:37 AM
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09-06-2023, 02:59 AM
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I think IF you believe the whole great reset narrative, the scenario in the OP would be the only logical course of action.
Why would you print money to save these businesses and shareholders, if the goal is to establish a technocratic communism scenario?
- for profits.
But not if you make way more profit by shorting it into the ground and taking literally everything in the end. Why save the shareholders, the buy-the-dip, and ETF plebs when you can just suck them dry completely instead AND get to buy the whole fukk for peanuts on the dollar?
The scamdemic was just the first step, the set-up. The vaxx mandates just a divide and conquer play to hide the massive money printing that's setting up the whole inflation thing. And once the problem has been created, there is no going back and you generously offer the solution in the form of crashing everything and communization.
Create the problem, offer the solution.
Does that playbook sound familiar?
Why would you print money to save these businesses and shareholders, if the goal is to establish a technocratic communism scenario?
- for profits.
But not if you make way more profit by shorting it into the ground and taking literally everything in the end. Why save the shareholders, the buy-the-dip, and ETF plebs when you can just suck them dry completely instead AND get to buy the whole fukk for peanuts on the dollar?
The scamdemic was just the first step, the set-up. The vaxx mandates just a divide and conquer play to hide the massive money printing that's setting up the whole inflation thing. And once the problem has been created, there is no going back and you generously offer the solution in the form of crashing everything and communization.
Create the problem, offer the solution.
Does that playbook sound familiar?
09-06-2023, 03:46 AM
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Idk man. Wouldn’t this lead to everyone outside of the western world de-dollarizing? That’s basically GG, no-re.
I mean yah, the dollar strengthens bigly when interest rate is high and recession is railing everyone, but it only strengthens because people see it as protection against the ****storm. Protection until the money printer is turned back on and the Murican economy strengthens again and its financial markets continue being deep and very liquid. It’s faith in the fed’s monetary policy and faith that it’ll be cyclical.
If the fed breaks the wheel then why the fuk would other countries care about the dollar anymore.
I mean yah, the dollar strengthens bigly when interest rate is high and recession is railing everyone, but it only strengthens because people see it as protection against the ****storm. Protection until the money printer is turned back on and the Murican economy strengthens again and its financial markets continue being deep and very liquid. It’s faith in the fed’s monetary policy and faith that it’ll be cyclical.
If the fed breaks the wheel then why the fuk would other countries care about the dollar anymore.
09-06-2023, 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted By Tiffinbrah⏩
The strenght of the USD is arguably more the result of military power projection, rather than trust in the US government. Everybody knows that they're fukking us over ever since the gold standard was dropped and you see the brrrrr money printer memes everywhere. But if a country trys to drop the USD, they get consulted by economic hitmen, 'normal hitmen', or just get their whole country bombed and leaders hanged and sodomized.Idk man. Wouldn’t this lead to everyone outside of the western world de-dollarizing? That’s basically GG, no-re.
I mean yah, the dollar strengthens bigly when interest rate is high and recession is railing everyone, but it only strengthens because people see it as protection against the ****storm. Protection until the money printer is turned back on and the Murican economy strengthens again and its financial markets continue being deep and very liquid. It’s faith in the fed’s monetary policy and faith that it’ll be cyclical.
If the fed breaks the wheel then why the fuk would other countries care about the dollar anymore.
I mean yah, the dollar strengthens bigly when interest rate is high and recession is railing everyone, but it only strengthens because people see it as protection against the ****storm. Protection until the money printer is turned back on and the Murican economy strengthens again and its financial markets continue being deep and very liquid. It’s faith in the fed’s monetary policy and faith that it’ll be cyclical.
If the fed breaks the wheel then why the fuk would other countries care about the dollar anymore.
09-06-2023, 04:25 AM
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As I've read of late, the Fed Reserve is not likely to be lowering rates soon, due to the enormous amount of money Biden and Pelosi have spent. typically what would be spent in 10 years by government was spent in 2 years on COVID and Democrat party projects. Borrowing costs will remain high.
Democratic deficits could doom US economy
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...oom-us-economy
excerpt:
....These laws amped up the deficit directly and made it worse through secondary effects. Because the spending spurred inflation, the Federal Reserve raised interest rates to the highest levels in 22 years. This pushed the cost to the federal government, and thus to taxpayers, of paying interest on the debt nearly $200 billion higher in just two years. That's an extra $200 billion of higher deficit spending. Federal Social Security outlays, indexed to inflation, also rose vertiginously. Meanwhile, when stocks fell because of inflation and interest rate worries, tax revenues from capital gains collapsed.
CLICK HERE TO READ MORE FROM THE WASHINGTON EXAMINER
More money out and less money in. Voila, the already dangerous deficit doubled, despite Biden’s promise to reduce it.
This is a crisis of the Democrats’ making. Spending restraint is desperately needed. Biden should, but presumably won't even consider, accepting the need to cut costs.
Democratic deficits could doom US economy
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...oom-us-economy
excerpt:
....These laws amped up the deficit directly and made it worse through secondary effects. Because the spending spurred inflation, the Federal Reserve raised interest rates to the highest levels in 22 years. This pushed the cost to the federal government, and thus to taxpayers, of paying interest on the debt nearly $200 billion higher in just two years. That's an extra $200 billion of higher deficit spending. Federal Social Security outlays, indexed to inflation, also rose vertiginously. Meanwhile, when stocks fell because of inflation and interest rate worries, tax revenues from capital gains collapsed.
CLICK HERE TO READ MORE FROM THE WASHINGTON EXAMINER
More money out and less money in. Voila, the already dangerous deficit doubled, despite Biden’s promise to reduce it.
This is a crisis of the Democrats’ making. Spending restraint is desperately needed. Biden should, but presumably won't even consider, accepting the need to cut costs.
09-06-2023, 05:18 AM
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They’ll hold rates high for a while. Mortgage rates are projected to be 5% by December 2024.
They not only need to lower inflation, but also bring down asset values. Houses and stocks are next, which will actually spook the regular joe.
They not only need to lower inflation, but also bring down asset values. Houses and stocks are next, which will actually spook the regular joe.
09-06-2023, 05:34 AM
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Honestly, I don't know why they would lower rates anytime soon. Mortgage interest rates still aren't even that high by recent historical standards. People complain about 6% - 7% interest mortgages today, but would they prefer to go back to the rates of the 1980's that were around 10% - 16%? How about much of the 90's when most loans were over 8%?
The reason the increased rates seem so crazy right now despite them still being lower than historical rates is because the increases happened right after the massive housing price hikes from 2019 - 2022. Those two things combined made buying a home pretty unaffordable for money. That includes people wanting to make relatively lateral moves/modest upgrades in homes who now won't, because it makes no sense to trade in a sub-3% mortgage on a house for a 6%+ mortgage on a similar level place unless you're moving for a great job or something that justifies it.
The reason the increased rates seem so crazy right now despite them still being lower than historical rates is because the increases happened right after the massive housing price hikes from 2019 - 2022. Those two things combined made buying a home pretty unaffordable for money. That includes people wanting to make relatively lateral moves/modest upgrades in homes who now won't, because it makes no sense to trade in a sub-3% mortgage on a house for a 6%+ mortgage on a similar level place unless you're moving for a great job or something that justifies it.
09-06-2023, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted By Masterchieffer⏩
They're not doing any more QE, lol.Unless I’m missing something it’s the same thing. The Fed is a relatively independent institution and is going to destroy the economy because inflation was becoming entrenched.
The only question is just how bad things will get. There could be a mild recession with massive QE or there could be a large sell off to a black swan event the economy doesn’t recover from for years. The degree these events impact the economy and the markets are driven by fundamentals and Fed response but also emotional reactions of market participants such that no one knows the final outcome, not the Fed or even Cuck Schwab himself
Either way whipsawing of the economy will cause inefficiencies in markets, just rarely ones that 99% of people without industry knowledge know how to take advantage of
The only question is just how bad things will get. There could be a mild recession with massive QE or there could be a large sell off to a black swan event the economy doesn’t recover from for years. The degree these events impact the economy and the markets are driven by fundamentals and Fed response but also emotional reactions of market participants such that no one knows the final outcome, not the Fed or even Cuck Schwab himself
Either way whipsawing of the economy will cause inefficiencies in markets, just rarely ones that 99% of people without industry knowledge know how to take advantage of
They already have a bunch of government spending bills to prop up the middle class. Interest rates are high, and they can lower rates which will stimulate the economy.
QE is only a program to stimulate the economy when there are not any other options. Right now we have a ton of options, mainly lowering interest rates.
09-06-2023, 05:40 AM
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Idk about any conspiracy here, but I think the fed could take rates much higher in an attempt to prevent what happened in the 70s.
I think we could see 8-10% fed funds rate in an attempt to prevent the 19% fed funds rate of the early 80's.
I think we could see 8-10% fed funds rate in an attempt to prevent the 19% fed funds rate of the early 80's.
09-06-2023, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted By turdburglar9021⏩
If they keep rates at their current levels, people in the middle class will be eating out of dumpsters within 12 months. No chance this happens.Idk about any conspiracy here, but I think the fed could take rates much higher in an attempt to prevent what happened in the 70s.
I think we could see 8-10% fed funds rate in an attempt to prevent the 19% fed funds rate of the early 80's.
I think we could see 8-10% fed funds rate in an attempt to prevent the 19% fed funds rate of the early 80's.
09-06-2023, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted By ProudKraut⏩
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
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