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post 1692959063 11-07-2023, 06:28 AM
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Why Biden doesn't get credit for an improved economy

The continuing riddle of why Biden doesn't get credit for an improved economy

Let's take a snapshot of the U.S. economy.

Gross domestic product rose at an annualized rate of 4.9% in the third quarter of this year, which ended Sept. 30. That growth, which was fueled by unexpectedly robust consumer spending, surprised even the most experienced economists, not to mention pundits, who have been bracing for a slowdown.

Inflation has come down to an annual rate of 3.7%, a shadow of its peak in June 2022, when it reached 9.1%, then the highest rate in 40 years. Prices of energy, used cars and trucks, and medical care all fell in September from August.

Gasoline prices, which for millions of Americans are the bellwether of inflation comparisons, averaged $3.418 a gallon nationwide Monday, according to the AAA, down by more than 7 cents in a week and by more than 32% since the average peaked at $5.03 in June 2022.

Gas prices are even lower in the heartland, just about $3 in Louisiana, South Carolina and Alabama and even lower in Texas, Georgia and Mississippi.

This at a moment when violence in the Middle East might have driven oil prices higher. Democrats might want to dust off those stickers showing President Biden pointing at pump prices and saying, "I did that," which Republicans loved to post at gas stations during the summer of 2022, and repurpose them as advertisements for the decline of inflation.

Other economic indicators point to a fundamental shift in the character of government economic policy, so-called Bidenomics.

"Bidenomics didn’t just promise economic growth," wrote economists at the progressive Roosevelt Institute in a recent newsletter; "it promised a transition from the era of trickle-down, neoliberal economics to a new paradigm that focused on improving the wages and livelihoods of working- and middle-class people." They titled their post: "It's working."

Indeed, as I reported in July, lower-income workers have been the chief beneficiaries of Bidenomics. Economists David Autor of MIT and Arindrajit Dube and Annie McGrew of the University of Massachusetts determined in a paper published in March that lower-income workers had recovered about 25% of the increase in wage inequality that had built up over the previous four decades.

Organized labor seems to have experienced a renaissance, or at least the glimmer of one. Unions won more representation elections, 641, in the first half of 2022 than they had in the same period for 20 years. The victory by the United Auto Workers over the Big Three automakers after the recent strike may be a harbinger of more victories to come, but even if not, it's certainly a high water mark for union activism over recent decades.

The Federal Reserve, in its triannual survey of household finances released last month, painted a bright picture: "Between 2019 and 2022, real median net worth surged 37%, and real mean net worth increased 23%," the Fed reported. The increases in both categories were "near universal across different types of families, grouped by either economic or demographic characteristics."

The rise in the median was the largest three-year increase since the Fed started paying attention, "more than double the next-largest one on record." Household debt remained under control, with average credit card balances falling sharply.

Yet all this winning seems to have infused the American public with a sense of doom. Polls depict voters as walking around with a dark economic cloud over their heads and worse on the horizon.

"Voters are mad about the economy," my colleague David Lauter reported last week from Washington. "All the polls say so."

The discrepancy between what the numbers say and what voters purportedly believe has the White House stymied. Insiders blame the "Bidenomics" label, according to NBC News. Their concern is that it's too nebulous to communicate the gains that the average family is experiencing (and that identifying the president with the economy could become a drag if the economy turns down before the 2024 election).

So what accounts for the discordance?

One factor is certainly the relentless doom-saying of Republicans and conservatives, amplified on social media and by the right-wing echo chamber. There isn't a GOP officeholder or candidate who has ever referred to Biden's economic policies as anything other than "disastrous."

Sure, that's politics. But that doesn't mean that the news media is obligated to accept such assertions at face value. If any interviewer has ever asked a Republican to provide chapter and verse about what's wrong with Bidenomics, I haven't seen it.

That's the case even though some claims by right-wingers are demonstrably false. Consider a recent tweet by Stephen Moore, a Heritage Foundation fellow with a regular platform on the Wall Street Journal op-ed page.

A few things about Moore's tweet:

First, Moore put his thumb on the scale by combining all the new government jobs gained from January through September into one line, totaled as 531,000 new government jobs in that period. But he broke down all the private sector jobs into occupational categories, so that private sector job growth would look smaller.

Moreover, Moore's figure is the sum of all government job gains, including state and local governments, which obviously Biden has nothing to do with. (State and local employees are typically public school teachers and college faculty.) For the federal government, which he heads, the increase over the first nine months of 2023 was 74,000, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Add up all the private sector figures, in any case, and they show that private-sector job increases were about 3.5 times higher than those in the federal government.

Moore's assertion bears other signs of cherry-picking. Curiously, he covers only the last nine months. A reading of Biden's entire tenure, starting at January 2021, gives the lie to Moore's case: It shows that jobs in the private sector have grown at twice the pace of that in the federal government, and that federal jobs have actually declined as a percentage of total nonfarm employment, from about 1.6% in January 2021 to slightly less than 1.5% as of last month.

In other words, Bidenomics has created a private sector jobs boom. To recast Moore's tweet, "Good for Washington, better for middle America."

Opinion polls depicting Americans as almost universally discontented with the economy — and more to the point, pessimistic about its future course — are another factor. These poll results, reiterated endlessly on the air and on newspaper pages tend to feed on themselves: If everyone else is down in the dumps, why should you feel any differently?

But it's wise to keep in mind something well known to polling experts: When you ask people what they expect from the future, they almost invariably say it will be just like today, except more so. If they think the economy has been declining, they're not likely to foresee a turnaround ahead.

Still, that doesn't explain why people think economic conditions are so dire today. One theory blames the residual effect of the yearlong bout of inflation the country suffered. Although it has faded, prices for many goods and services remain higher than they were. "People want to hear about falling prices, because they remember what prices were," Jared Bernstein, Biden's senior economic advisor, told NBC. "They want their old prices back.”

Others suggest that economists, pollsters and political commentators may actually be misreading the public's mood — that people actually are feeling better about their own economic situation, "but think the country is in terrible shape" says Patrick Watson of Mauldin Economics, an analytics firm. "Maybe it’s because of the media always highlighting bad news."

It's also true that economic conditions always take time to penetrate public opinion — it's not unusual for voters to continue to wring their hands about the economy for months after it starts delivering gains.


People may also be rattled by the unending warnings from economists and pundits about a recession lurking somewhere over the horizon. That could happen, but over recent months its predicted onset has receded further and further into the future.

Whatever ordinary people think, there is no question that Biden has made a U-turn in government economic policies that had been in place since the Reagan years — those supply-side initiatives that always promised to "trickle down" to the working class, but somehow never did.

The social democracy movement launched by Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal "ran aground in the 1970s," UC Berkeley economist Brad DeLong told me a year ago. It was supplanted by the neoliberal movement that favored the 1%. "The rich had the largest megaphones, and they trumpeted the fact that their incomes were growing rapidly. And those lower down ... were told that if only they were sufficiently worthy, the unleashed market would give to them too, and they more than half believed it.”

Biden has turned that back on its head. Voters may or may not believe it today, but most of them are benefiting from the change, and it's just possible that they'll eventually come around.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...a6f373ee0&ei=9
Cliffs: So much winning! "Ordinary people" are just too dumb to see it... And besides, the media just reports bad news.
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post 1692959553 11-07-2023, 06:44 AM
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The economy has blown donkey balls for the working and middle class since the end of Dubya.

"Bidenomics" is one of the worst things to campaign on that I've ever seen.
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bro a gallon of milk is $7 now
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Originally Posted By Techriding101
bro a gallon of milk is $7 now
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster
Gas prices are even lower in the heartland, just about $3 in Louisiana, South Carolina and Alabama and even lower in Texas, Georgia and Mississippi..
It was under $2 a few years ago... just saying.

But anyway... Others suggest that economists, pollsters and political commentators may actually be misreading the public's mood —that people actually are feeling better about their own economic situation, "but think the country is in terrible shape" says Patrick Watson of Mauldin Economics, an analytics firm. "Maybe it’s because of the media always highlighting bad news."

It's also true that economic conditions always take time to penetrate public opinion — it's not unusual for voters to continue to wring their hands about the economy for months after it starts delivering gains.
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$20 for lunch at 5 Guys for one person is not really a winning strategy
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Should've saved your .16 cent like I did from my 4th of July bbq
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Originally Posted By Procta
$20 for lunch at 5 Guys for one person is not really a winning strategy
Now you see, this is a prime example of what they were saying in the article...

"Yet all this winning seems to have infused the American public with a sense of doom. Polls depict voters as walking around with a dark economic cloud over their heads and worse on the horizon..."

What's wrong with you, don't you know we're winning?
Originally Posted By Titansfan08
Should've saved your .16 cent like I did from my 4th of July bbq
If you invest that you can have .10 cents soon. Winning!
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lol, latest jobs report is a huge miss. 150K actual vs 180 estimated. Of that 34% were government created jobs. You've been sold a lie and everyone is starting to wake up and realize it, hence why Biden is polling in the gutters. Economy is only alive because of massive deficit spending. 700 Billion added in just 6 weeks to the debt, on pace for 5 Trillion in spending in one year with no end in sight. Banks about to implode, real estate falling. Rug will be pulled out from under you before media would even think of reporting that there are cracks in the economy.
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Inflation has subsided, but prices remain elevated.

Groceries (produce, milk, eggs, bread, meat) are all 20%-100% more expensive.

Housing is completely out of reach.

Workplaces chronically short staffed.

Why is everyone so pessimistic???
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Biden keeps boasting about his accomplishments that don't exist.

Inflation still high and we are suffering from the effects of the spike of inflation. Interest rates up. Housing expensive. Rent is getting so out of control working people living in their cars renting rooms from people. Biden keeps talking about more low income housing for ghetto people. For most people, things aren't anything near great, not even good. Every recession and bad economy is different and he's judging things on metrics from another time, because Biden is from another time. I'm aware that for some government contractors and such, union bosses, things couldn't be better. Not to mention welfare leaches where their benefits increased as soon as cost went up.

Never forget that time Biden got up and said that Ukraine was most important and would sacrifice the country at all cost for a bunch of slavs. Now Israel. Manlet Zelenski runing around our country getting our money for his war.
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Originally Posted By Titansfan08
Should've saved your .16 cent like I did from my 4th of July bbq
If you had invested that 16c in the market 3 years ago, thanks to Biden if would still be worth 16c
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Why dont these racist deplorable bully jerks understand that people getting second jobs to pay their rent means the economy is booming?

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Isn't credit card debt at like one trillion dollars? And vehicles are being repossessed left and right? Not to mention evictions left and right because of those "greedy" landlords?
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Could be worse? No wars to profit from and still exporting energy
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BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAAHH Improved economy BAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAAH.

Mass layoffs every day, "improved economy". Pick one.
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Originally Posted By -JR
Inflation has subsided, but prices remain elevated.

Groceries (produce, milk, eggs, bread, meat) are all 20%-100% more expensive.

Housing is completely out of reach.

Workplaces chronically short staffed.

Why is everyone so pessimistic???
Correct. And the GDP stats don't tell the full story. Printing money like wild and huge deficit spending aids the top 1% and 0.1% vastly but ends up as a hidden tax on the majority of people. Yes I know the money printer went brrrr during Trump's last 8 months because of political Karens' overreactions to Covid. The money printer went wild in other advanced economies too. Countries with less sound energy policy are still feeling those money printing effects more than the US. Thank god for fracking or the economy would have been azzfuked over a year ago.
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Originally Posted By HateLiberals
Could be worse? No wars to profit from and still exporting energy
Hundreds of billions sent to Ukraine and Israel but yeah... no wars and no profit.

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Originally Posted By Bushmaster
Hundreds of billions sent to Ukraine and Israel but yeah... no wars and no profit.

jon hamm dot gif
Meant if Trump won m8
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An economy that has been fictionalised by financialisation and non-productive rent extraction classed as growth, offshored manufacturing, diminished capacity to make or do things, it's almost like the only people making money are the capital class.
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There is a lot of misery out there. It isn't a mystery why many Americans think poorly of Biden.
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Originally Posted By John
The economy has blown donkey balls for the working and middle class since the end of Dubya.

"Bidenomics" is one of the worst things to campaign on that I've ever seen.
Since the end of Clinton, son.
Originally Posted By Techriding101
bro a gallon of milk is $7 now
Would be $9 if Trump got reelected, son.
Originally Posted By Bushmaster
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It was under $2 a few years ago... just saying.
Yeah, it's amazing how cheap gas will get when a prez tells everyone to stay at home for several months, son.
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$20 for lunch at 5 Guys for one person is not really a winning strategy
It's not; that's why you're fat, son.
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Originally Posted By z4v4
Yeah, it's amazing how cheap gas will get when a prez tells everyone to stay at home for several months, son.
2018-2019, son.

https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles...0was%20%242.74.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/de...f%20the%20year.

Argumentative bitch with no point to be made forum is that way, son. --->
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Originally Posted By z4v4
Since the end of Clinton, son.



Would be $9 if Trump got reelected, son.



Yeah, it's amazing how cheap gas will get when a prez tells everyone to stay at home for several months, son.



It's not; that's why you're fat, son.
Ladies and gentlemen

Trump trump trump

The most neutral poster on these forums. LOL

Have that for a nickel you dumb vegan ****
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster
2018-2019, son.

https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles...0was%20%242.74.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/de...f%20the%20year.

Argumentative bitch with no point to be made forum is that way, son. --->
Lol @ climbing to $3 = $2 gas. Considering the economy was shut down for moons, things are not in such bad shape. You can't afford an extra buck for gas, son, while you post on the internet all day?
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Ladies and gentlemen

Trump trump trump

The most neutral poster on these forums. LOL

Have that for a nickel you dumb vegan ****
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Soy4v4 may have a point honestly. If Trump is elected it may cause commie governors to shut their states down again so he and the groomer crew can cry about how awful Trump is for the economy.
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Originally Posted By z4v4
Lol @ climbing to $3 = $2 gas. Considering the economy was shut down for moons, things are not in such bad shape. You can't afford an extra buck for gas, son, while you post on the internet all day?
The point is value of a dollar Carl Spackler.

Just because I can afford your boy Potato Joe's record inflation doesn't mean I have to like it. And surely an elite Julie Yard educatedCrusherlike yourself can understand simple economics like that, son.
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The economy has improved?

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The Biden regime is manipulating the economy through government spending, war, and oil.

GDP factors in government spending and war production.

They are also manipulating oil reserves to lower gas prices, which makes it appear as though inflation is "stabilizing". The downfall of the strategy, is that he has creates a type of bottleneck, which will have devastating effects in the near future. The next president is going to be the one who has to contend with the outcome of the bottleneck. How this works is, when Biden throttled energy, it caused the price to go up from low supply. When the price went up, consumers started going to alternative energy, and conserving. This caused the producers to lower production further. This causes the bottleneck affect; supply can't meet demand.

Bottlenecks in energy can actually collapse governments and economies. This is really bad stuff. If a Republican gets elected and has to deal with this evil outcome, the Democrats will blame it on the Republican leader ship because most people don't understand the cause.
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post 1692993793 11-07-2023, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster
The point is value of a dollar Carl Spackler.

Just because I can afford your boy Potato Joe's record inflation doesn't mean I have to like it. And surely an elite Julie Yard educatedCrusherlike yourself can understand simple economics like that, son.
No one I know frets over gas prices. If you don't like the buying power of your dollar, earn more of them, son.
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