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MRNA covid vaccines caused pregnant rats to have autistic male offspring
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The babies of pregnant rats given Pfizer’s mRNA Covid shot had sharply lower levels of a protein crucial for learning and memory, Turkish researchers have reported.
The male rat offspring also displayed behaviors that correlate to autism in humans, including reduced sociability and repetitive behaviors, the researchers reported. (Female rats did not show similar behaviors; but males generally have higher rates of autism.) The peer-reviewed journal Neurochemical Research published the findings, from four researchers at a medical university in Istanbul.
The study coved only about 40 rats, and it does not prove the vaccines cause autism or similar brain changes in the children of vaccinated pregnant women.
But it does show - again - that the jabs can cause powerful inflammatory and autoimmune responses with unknown consequences, and that their long-term risks have barely been studied.
The Turkish researchers did not sugarcoat their findings, writing:
Notably, male rats exhibited pronounced autism-like behaviors, characterized by a marked reduction in social interaction and repetitive patterns of behavior. Furthermore, there was a substantial decrease in neuronal counts in critical brain regions, indicating potential neurodegeneration or altered neurodevelopment. Male rats also demonstrated impaired motor performance, evidenced by reduced coordination and agility.
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(Luckily Pfizer did a ton of work to make sure this wouldn’t be problem in humans. Oh, they didn’t? Hey, everyone makes mistakes.)
The findings will raise even more questions about whether pregnant women should receive mRNA Covid jabs, an issue that has been controversial for three years.
Pregnant women were excluded in 2020 from the big clinical trials that led to the approval of the shots, but ever since regulators and obstetricians have strongly encouraged them to take the shots. The reason is that pregnancy causes weight gain and blood pressure changes that increase Covid risk.
Still, many women, especially healthy women with uncomplicated pregnancies, have a very low baseline risk from Covid and have avoided the jabs.
The obvious failure of the jabs against Omicron has only increased that reluctance. Almost no pregnant women are now getting mRNA boosters.
Yet the Centers for Disease Control and American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology continue to recommend the shots for pregnant women.
(An aside: because the mRNAs frequently cause menstrual cycle changes, some mRNA skeptics believe the jabs cause miscarriage and stillbirth. But a large study from Norway in 2022 showed definitively they do not. An even bigger dataset from Britain proves women who receive the shots do not have a higher risk of stillbirth or preterm or low-birthweight babies, though it does not cover miscarriage.)
However, the potential autism and brain changes the Turkish researchers found are much harder to track and diagnose than obvious problems like low birthweight or pre-term birth.
Linking them to vaccines given years before will would require large-scale epidemiologic studies, along with expensive basic research to determine potential mechanisms of action.
As the Turkish researchers concluded:
Further research is warranted to validate these findings in human populations and to unravel the complex mechanisms underlying the observed effects.
But neither governments nor vaccine companies have shown any inclination to do that work. And so even if autism diagnoses notably rise in the next few years, proving the mRNAs are responsible will be next to impossible.
An outcome that’ll work out fine for everyone involved - except kids with autism and their families.
The babies of pregnant rats given Pfizer’s mRNA Covid shot had sharply lower levels of a protein crucial for learning and memory, Turkish researchers have reported.
The male rat offspring also displayed behaviors that correlate to autism in humans, including reduced sociability and repetitive behaviors, the researchers reported. (Female rats did not show similar behaviors; but males generally have higher rates of autism.) The peer-reviewed journal Neurochemical Research published the findings, from four researchers at a medical university in Istanbul.
The study coved only about 40 rats, and it does not prove the vaccines cause autism or similar brain changes in the children of vaccinated pregnant women.
But it does show - again - that the jabs can cause powerful inflammatory and autoimmune responses with unknown consequences, and that their long-term risks have barely been studied.
The Turkish researchers did not sugarcoat their findings, writing:
Notably, male rats exhibited pronounced autism-like behaviors, characterized by a marked reduction in social interaction and repetitive patterns of behavior. Furthermore, there was a substantial decrease in neuronal counts in critical brain regions, indicating potential neurodegeneration or altered neurodevelopment. Male rats also demonstrated impaired motor performance, evidenced by reduced coordination and agility.
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(Luckily Pfizer did a ton of work to make sure this wouldn’t be problem in humans. Oh, they didn’t? Hey, everyone makes mistakes.)
The findings will raise even more questions about whether pregnant women should receive mRNA Covid jabs, an issue that has been controversial for three years.
Pregnant women were excluded in 2020 from the big clinical trials that led to the approval of the shots, but ever since regulators and obstetricians have strongly encouraged them to take the shots. The reason is that pregnancy causes weight gain and blood pressure changes that increase Covid risk.
Still, many women, especially healthy women with uncomplicated pregnancies, have a very low baseline risk from Covid and have avoided the jabs.
The obvious failure of the jabs against Omicron has only increased that reluctance. Almost no pregnant women are now getting mRNA boosters.
Yet the Centers for Disease Control and American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology continue to recommend the shots for pregnant women.
(An aside: because the mRNAs frequently cause menstrual cycle changes, some mRNA skeptics believe the jabs cause miscarriage and stillbirth. But a large study from Norway in 2022 showed definitively they do not. An even bigger dataset from Britain proves women who receive the shots do not have a higher risk of stillbirth or preterm or low-birthweight babies, though it does not cover miscarriage.)
However, the potential autism and brain changes the Turkish researchers found are much harder to track and diagnose than obvious problems like low birthweight or pre-term birth.
Linking them to vaccines given years before will would require large-scale epidemiologic studies, along with expensive basic research to determine potential mechanisms of action.
As the Turkish researchers concluded:
Further research is warranted to validate these findings in human populations and to unravel the complex mechanisms underlying the observed effects.
But neither governments nor vaccine companies have shown any inclination to do that work. And so even if autism diagnoses notably rise in the next few years, proving the mRNAs are responsible will be next to impossible.
An outcome that’ll work out fine for everyone involved - except kids with autism and their families.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
This is really the takeaway. Like, we looked - this isn't good, humans are not rats but we should check this out.As the Turkish researchers concluded: Further research is warranted to validate these findings in human populations and to unravel the complex mechanisms underlying the observed effects.
Meanwhile, expect the usual suspects to get angry, demand you are saying it must cause autism in humans (you didn't) or even post WWE gifs of wrestlers laughing at you.
You know, getting angry at actual science working, because they are too invested in a single narrative they were brainwashed into believing. Or paid shills. Something like that.
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01-19-2024, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Great post…. JLC getting absolutely furious every time I do it is only one of the benefits of sharing these articles. As you mention, the main thing is the ability to share science and have other things for people to consider.This is really the takeaway. Like, we looked - this isn't good, humans are not rats but we should check this out.
Meanwhile, expect the usual suspects to get angry, demand you are saying it must cause autism in humans (you didn't) or even post WWE gifs of wrestlers laughing at you.
You know, getting angry at actual science working, because they are too invested in a single narrative they were brainwashed into believing. Or paid shills. Something like that.
Meanwhile, expect the usual suspects to get angry, demand you are saying it must cause autism in humans (you didn't) or even post WWE gifs of wrestlers laughing at you.
You know, getting angry at actual science working, because they are too invested in a single narrative they were brainwashed into believing. Or paid shills. Something like that.
Now watch how mad he gets at this post.
01-19-2024, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Nah, not really.This is really the takeaway. Like, we looked - this isn't good, humans are not rats but we should check this out.
Meanwhile, expect the usual suspects to get angry, demand you are saying it must cause autism in humans (you didn't) or even post WWE gifs of wrestlers laughing at you.
You know, getting angry at actual science working, because they are too invested in a single narrative they were brainwashed into believing. Or paid shills. Something like that.
Meanwhile, expect the usual suspects to get angry, demand you are saying it must cause autism in humans (you didn't) or even post WWE gifs of wrestlers laughing at you.
You know, getting angry at actual science working, because they are too invested in a single narrative they were brainwashed into believing. Or paid shills. Something like that.
But describing Alex as a scientist is pretty awesome.
Anyone who doesn't buy into the carefully crafted rhetoric to satisfy a base must surely be a paid shill. Can't really converse on the topic, so we'll create an ad strawminem.
Just lol

01-19-2024, 12:33 PM
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Rats? Lmao
We have millions of human test subjects. The new normal will be interesting
We have millions of human test subjects. The new normal will be interesting
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01-19-2024, 12:36 PM
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I wonder why he leaves this kinda stuff out of his blog?
Effect of COVID-19 vaccination and booster on maternal–fetal outcomes: a retrospective cohort study
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Vaccinated people were more likely to conceive later in the pandemic, have commercial insurance, be older, live in areas with lower household composition vulnerability, and have a higher BMI than unvaccinated people. Boosted people were more likely to have more days since receiving the second COVID-19 vaccine dose, conceive earlier in the pandemic, have commercial insurance, be older, and live in areas with lower household composition vulnerability than vaccinated unboosted people. Vaccinated pregnant people had lower rates of COVID-19 during pregnancy (4·0%) compared with unvaccinated matched people (5·3%; p<0·0001). COVID-19 rates were even lower in boosted people (3·2%) compared with vaccinated unboosted matched people (5·6%; p<0·0001). Vaccinated people were also less likely to have a preterm birth (7·9%; p<0·0001), stillbirth (0·3%; p<0·0002), or very low birthweight neonate (1·0%; p<0·0001) compared with unvaccinated matched people (preterm birth 9·4%; stillbirth 0·6%; very low birthweight 1·5%). Boosted people were less likely to have a stillbirth (0·3%; p<0·025) and have no differences in rates of preterm birth (7·6%; p=0·090) or very low birthweight neonates (0·8%; p=0·092) compared with vaccinated unboosted matched people (stillbirth 0·5%; preterm birth 8·4%; very low birthweight 1·1%).
Interpretation
COVID-19 vaccination protects against adverse maternal–fetal outcomes, with booster doses conferring additional protection. Pregnant people should be high priority for vaccination and stay up to date with their COVID-19 vaccination schedule.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...093-6/fulltext
Just wanna openly and objectively discuss science, right?
Just lol

Effect of COVID-19 vaccination and booster on maternal–fetal outcomes: a retrospective cohort study
"Findings
Vaccinated people were more likely to conceive later in the pandemic, have commercial insurance, be older, live in areas with lower household composition vulnerability, and have a higher BMI than unvaccinated people. Boosted people were more likely to have more days since receiving the second COVID-19 vaccine dose, conceive earlier in the pandemic, have commercial insurance, be older, and live in areas with lower household composition vulnerability than vaccinated unboosted people. Vaccinated pregnant people had lower rates of COVID-19 during pregnancy (4·0%) compared with unvaccinated matched people (5·3%; p<0·0001). COVID-19 rates were even lower in boosted people (3·2%) compared with vaccinated unboosted matched people (5·6%; p<0·0001). Vaccinated people were also less likely to have a preterm birth (7·9%; p<0·0001), stillbirth (0·3%; p<0·0002), or very low birthweight neonate (1·0%; p<0·0001) compared with unvaccinated matched people (preterm birth 9·4%; stillbirth 0·6%; very low birthweight 1·5%). Boosted people were less likely to have a stillbirth (0·3%; p<0·025) and have no differences in rates of preterm birth (7·6%; p=0·090) or very low birthweight neonates (0·8%; p=0·092) compared with vaccinated unboosted matched people (stillbirth 0·5%; preterm birth 8·4%; very low birthweight 1·1%).
Interpretation
COVID-19 vaccination protects against adverse maternal–fetal outcomes, with booster doses conferring additional protection. Pregnant people should be high priority for vaccination and stay up to date with their COVID-19 vaccination schedule.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...093-6/fulltext
Just wanna openly and objectively discuss science, right?
Just lol

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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Wait, so Alex Berenwhoever -- he's one of the Turkish scientists who did this study?! I misread (actually did not bother reading at all) but it's shocking to me that his guy reporting on the story is actually one of the scientists in Turkey who did the study itself. That is a bold claim you just made, Mr. JLC.Nah, not really.
But describing Alex as a scientist is pretty awesome.
Anyone who doesn't buy into the carefully crafted rhetoric to satisfy a base must surely be a paid shill. Can't really converse on the topic, so we'll create an ad strawminem.
Just lol

But describing Alex as a scientist is pretty awesome.
Anyone who doesn't buy into the carefully crafted rhetoric to satisfy a base must surely be a paid shill. Can't really converse on the topic, so we'll create an ad strawminem.
Just lol

I guess you're right. Now this story is meaningless and should be ignored. You win again! Oh darn, if *only* this Alex guy had just been a reporter and only been reporting on a study conducted by other people who actually were scientists. If only! Why, if that were the case, your attempting to discredit this study based onthe person who is only reporting on it, that would have failed quite miserably.
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If i meet a Turkish rat in the club this weekend, i will run the other way.

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01-19-2024, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
No, Berenson is a fiction writer with no STEM background/training who capitalized on covid. Can't blame an entrepreneur for seeing and seizing an opportunity. But, we can definitely lol at devotees to their spin and rhetorical tacticsWait, so Alex Berenwhoever -- he's one of the Turkish scientists who did this study?! I misread (actually did not bother reading at all) but it's shocking to me that his guy reporting on the story is actually one of the scientists in Turkey who did the study itself. That is a bold claim you just made, Mr. JLC.
I guess you're right. Now this story is meaningless and should be ignored. You win again! Oh darn, if *only* this Alex guy had just been a reported (and by the looks of the article, one with an agenda) and only been reporting on a study conducted by other people who actually were scientists. If only! Why, if that were the case, your attempting to discredit this study based onthe person who is only reporting on it, that would have failed quite miserably.
I guess you're right. Now this story is meaningless and should be ignored. You win again! Oh darn, if *only* this Alex guy had just been a reported (and by the looks of the article, one with an agenda) and only been reporting on a study conducted by other people who actually were scientists. If only! Why, if that were the case, your attempting to discredit this study based onthe person who is only reporting on it, that would have failed quite miserably.

Note it was Alex's substack that was posted. Not the actual work.
Pre-digested food seems to be a favourite of new researchers.
I sure hope the Turks didn't use regression - cuz that's bad, very bad

Presumably this rat model of autism is thoroughly "validated"

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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
And he posts something that has nothing to do with autism(or anything else from the study I shared)…but hey, it shows that more boosted people had insurance in the study so I guess we can put it in here because…..well, who needs a reason when you’re just here to troll anyway. He absolutely LOVES Berenson threads for some reason. Drawn to it like a moth to a flame, or a beavercel to a vial of comirnaty.Wait, so Alex Berenwhoever -- he's one of the Turkish scientists who did this study?! I misread (actually did not bother reading at all) but it's shocking to me that his guy reporting on the story is actually one of the scientists in Turkey who did the study itself. That is a bold claim you just made, Mr. JLC.
I guess you're right. Now this story is meaningless and should be ignored. You win again! Oh darn, if *only* this Alex guy had just been a reporter and only been reporting on a study conducted by other people who actually were scientists. If only! Why, if that were the case, your attempting to discredit this study based onthe person who is only reporting on it, that would have failed quite miserably.
I guess you're right. Now this story is meaningless and should be ignored. You win again! Oh darn, if *only* this Alex guy had just been a reporter and only been reporting on a study conducted by other people who actually were scientists. If only! Why, if that were the case, your attempting to discredit this study based onthe person who is only reporting on it, that would have failed quite miserably.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
You didn't share a study.And he posts something that has nothing to do with autism(or anything else from the study I shared)…but hey, it shows that more boosted people had insurance in the study so I guess we can put it in here because…..well, who needs a reason when you’re just here to troll anyway. He absolutely LOVES Berenson threads for some reason. Drawn to it like a moth to a flame, or a beavercel to a vial of comirnaty.
The way y'all refuse to acknowledge bias is solid entertainment.
Vaccines cause autism, again

The paper that Alex spins is poor.
The number of extrapolations made on the basis of 8 rats per group is concerning.
The conclusions just aren't supported by the data.
It's "autism-like" because autism isn't really a thing in rats, and I'm not even sure it's fair to say that it was "autism-like" because the observed differences were still within the typical range of rat behavior.
One critical flaw is that the authors didn't scale down the dose for rats, they gave them an adult human dose. Note that the average rat weighs less than a pound. No explanation is offered in the article as to why the authors went with a dose that would be given to an adult human.
It also does not appear to be blinded.
But, we can overlook such flaws when titles and conclusions support the narrative
Such lulz

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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The work here? He linked it in the substack.No, Berenson is a fiction writer with no STEM background/training who capitalized on covid. Can't blame an entrepreneur for seeing and seizing an opportunity. But, we can definitely lol at devotees to their spin and rhetorical tactics
Note it was Alex's substack that was posted. Not the actual work.
Pre-digested food seems to be a favourite of new researchers.
I sure hope the Turks didn't use regression - cuz that's bad, very bad

Note it was Alex's substack that was posted. Not the actual work.
Pre-digested food seems to be a favourite of new researchers.
I sure hope the Turks didn't use regression - cuz that's bad, very bad

https://link.springer.com/article/10...3-04089-2#Tab4
Originally Posted By Conclusion
Which I post, having not really even read or digested because - I don't really care, not like some of you people so wrapped up with a narrative. Although, I guess we should look it over, if nothing, for some reason if his Alex guy who substack reported on it misinterpreted the conclusion, that would be something to harp on him about.In conclusion, our study presents evidence that the COVID-19 mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine impacts the WNT pathway and BDNF levels in rats, with particularly pronounced effects observed in males. These male-specific outcomes, including autism-like behaviors, reduced neuronal counts, and impaired motor performance, emphasize the potential neurodevelopmental implications of the vaccine, aligning with existing literature on the roles of the WNT pathway and BDNF signaling in neurodevelopmental disorders.
It's imperative to recognize the limitations of our research, given that it relies on animal models. Caution should be exercised in generalizing these results to humans. Further rigorous clinical studies are required to confirm these observations in human populations and to ascertain the exact mechanisms at play.
Given the public health significance of understanding the effects of COVID-19 vaccination, especially during pregnancy, comprehensive studies are vital. These should weigh the benefits and potential risks of vaccination, focusing on ensuring optimal neurodevelopmental outcomes. Our findings underscore the importance of continued research in this domain to guarantee the safety and well-being of all individuals, especially those who are pregnant and their offspring.
In summary, this study provides valuable insights into the effects of the COVID-19 mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine on the WNT pathway and BDNF levels, particularly in relation to neurodevelopmental outcomes. The observed male-specific vulnerability and the convergence with existing literature support the involvement of these molecular pathways in neurodevelopmental disorders. However, further research is warranted to validate these findings in human populations and to unravel the complex mechanisms underlying the observed effects. The ultimate goal is to ensure the safety and well-being of individuals receiving COVID-19 vaccination, particularly during pregnancy, while minimizing potential risks to neurodevelopment.
It's imperative to recognize the limitations of our research, given that it relies on animal models. Caution should be exercised in generalizing these results to humans. Further rigorous clinical studies are required to confirm these observations in human populations and to ascertain the exact mechanisms at play.
Given the public health significance of understanding the effects of COVID-19 vaccination, especially during pregnancy, comprehensive studies are vital. These should weigh the benefits and potential risks of vaccination, focusing on ensuring optimal neurodevelopmental outcomes. Our findings underscore the importance of continued research in this domain to guarantee the safety and well-being of all individuals, especially those who are pregnant and their offspring.
In summary, this study provides valuable insights into the effects of the COVID-19 mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine on the WNT pathway and BDNF levels, particularly in relation to neurodevelopmental outcomes. The observed male-specific vulnerability and the convergence with existing literature support the involvement of these molecular pathways in neurodevelopmental disorders. However, further research is warranted to validate these findings in human populations and to unravel the complex mechanisms underlying the observed effects. The ultimate goal is to ensure the safety and well-being of individuals receiving COVID-19 vaccination, particularly during pregnancy, while minimizing potential risks to neurodevelopment.
Edit: did read it now. What's the problem, again? Mostly male rats seem stupefied here, not a good thing and they are very clear this is animal study only and want more research. Why the gifs?
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So my dad who went out to get cigarettes is actually the mRNA Covid vaccine :/
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Again, because he’s just here to troll which is why he deserves little to no response. He knows studies and sources are always linked in the articles. He knows there are valid concerns which suggest we need further investigation. But instead of discussion he just wants to troll by deflecting(hey guys look at this unrelated study), building strawmen(omg you’re saying all vaccines cause autism!), character attacks(he’s just a reporter!) and other tried and true techniques.The work here? He linked it in the substack.
https://link.springer.com/article/10...3-04089-2#Tab4
Which I post, having not really even read or digested because - I don't really care, not like some of you people so wrapped up with a narrative. Although, I guess we should look it over, if nothing, for some reason if his Alex guy who substack reported on it misinterpreted the conclusion, that would be something to harp on him about.
Edit: did read it now. What's the problem, again? Mostly male rats seem stupefied here, not a good thing and they are very clear this is animal study only and want more research. Why the gifs?
https://link.springer.com/article/10...3-04089-2#Tab4
Which I post, having not really even read or digested because - I don't really care, not like some of you people so wrapped up with a narrative. Although, I guess we should look it over, if nothing, for some reason if his Alex guy who substack reported on it misinterpreted the conclusion, that would be something to harp on him about.
Edit: did read it now. What's the problem, again? Mostly male rats seem stupefied here, not a good thing and they are very clear this is animal study only and want more research. Why the gifs?
While it is pretty hilarious to see him get so worked up, it’s just an added benefit to the primary goal of discussing interesting studies.
01-19-2024, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Why you ignore discussion of the paper that was the focus of the Alex's hot takes?Again, because he’s just here to troll which is why he deserves little to no response. He knows studies and sources are always linked in the articles. He knows there are valid concerns which suggest we need further investigation. But instead of discussion he just wants to troll by deflecting(hey guys look at this unrelated study), building strawmen(omg you’re saying all vaccines cause autism!), character attacks(he’s just a reporter!) and other tried and true techniques.
While it is pretty hilarious to see him get so worked up, it’s just an added benefit to the primary goal of discussing interesting studies.
While it is pretty hilarious to see him get so worked up, it’s just an added benefit to the primary goal of discussing interesting studies.
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
"In our investigation, we utilized a two-way ANOVA to discern any sex-specific neurobehavioral changes induced by the prenatal administration of the COVID-19 mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine. Our analysis showed that the group by sex interaction was not statistically significant for the sociability test (F = 3.479; p = 0.068), social novelty (F = 0.666; p = 0.418), sociability index (F = 1.424; p = 0.239), or novelty index (F = 4.056; p = 0.050), suggesting that the vaccine’s effects on these social behaviors were not differentially modulated by sex."You didn't share a study.
The way y'all refuse to acknowledge bias is solid entertainment.
Vaccines cause autism, again
The paper that Alex spins is poor.
The number of extrapolations made on the basis of 8 rats per group is concerning.
The conclusions just aren't supported by the data.
It's "autism-like" because autism isn't really a thing in rats, and I'm not even sure it's fair to say that it was "autism-like" because the observed differences were still within the typical range of rat behavior.
One critical flaw is that the authors didn't scale down the dose for rats, they gave them an adult human dose. Note that the average rat weighs less than a pound. No explanation is offered in the article as to why the authors went with a dose that would be given to an adult human.
It also does not appear to be blinded.
But, we can overlook such flaws when titles and conclusions support the narrative
Such lulz
The way y'all refuse to acknowledge bias is solid entertainment.
Vaccines cause autism, again

The paper that Alex spins is poor.
The number of extrapolations made on the basis of 8 rats per group is concerning.
The conclusions just aren't supported by the data.
It's "autism-like" because autism isn't really a thing in rats, and I'm not even sure it's fair to say that it was "autism-like" because the observed differences were still within the typical range of rat behavior.
One critical flaw is that the authors didn't scale down the dose for rats, they gave them an adult human dose. Note that the average rat weighs less than a pound. No explanation is offered in the article as to why the authors went with a dose that would be given to an adult human.
It also does not appear to be blinded.
But, we can overlook such flaws when titles and conclusions support the narrative
Such lulz

Two-way ANOVA is based on linear regression. Who supervised it? Who made the algorithm? Not a concern in this one? Why?
These analyses are flawed, but I assume it's the title that matters most.
If there are human studies linking covid vaccines to autism, please share

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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
And we're all certain you would be very open-minded with them and not find flaws in every corner. Much like you have never once criticized the vaccines over anything, nor the way in which big Pharm used massive propaganda to coerce people into taking them. They are truly perfect in all ways, not a single thing about them is deficient in any way.If there are human studies linking covid vaccines to autism, please share

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01-19-2024, 01:37 PM
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Ahhhh.And we're all certain you would be very open-minded with them and not find flaws in every corner. Much like you have never once criticized the vaccines over anything, nor the way in which big Pharm used massive propaganda to coerce people into taking them. They are truly perfect in all ways, not a single thing about them is deficient in any way.
So it's my fault y'all don't share any

Open and honest discussions ftw
Just lol

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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
He’s shared “studies” which were little more than internet surveys with zero validation that asked questions like “have you had a headache recently” and concluded that over 20% of people who get covid suffer from symptoms two years later. Again, he doesn’t care how a study is conducted, only that it fits his narrative.And we're all certain you would be very open-minded with them and not find flaws in every corner. Much like you have never once criticized the vaccines over anything, nor the way in which big Pharm used massive propaganda to coerce people into taking them. They are truly perfect in all ways, not a single thing about them is deficient in any way.
01-19-2024, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
How validated are mouse autism-like behaviours?He’s shared “studies” which were little more than internet surveys with zero validation that asked questions like “have you had a headache recently” and concluded that over 20% of people who get covid suffer from symptoms two years later. Again, he doesn’t care how a study is conducted, only that it fits his narrative.
At least try, mane

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Notably, male rats exhibited pronounced autism-like behaviors, characterized by a marked reduction in social interaction and repetitive patterns of behavior. Furthermore, there was a substantial decrease in neuronal counts in critical brain regions, indicating potential neurodegeneration or altered neurodevelopment. Male rats also demonstrated impaired motor performance, evidenced by reduced coordination and agility.
>J.L.C. has entered the threadHuman study isn't looking too good here either, is it?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Which human study/studies?

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