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post 1698299873 02-24-2024, 01:33 PM
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Who would have thunk it: More EV layoffs!

https://www.autoblog.com/2024/02/24/...altered-plans/

This time it's Rivian.

This is what happens when our Government tries so hard to push EV on the public.
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Rivian makes good vehicles. Should've chosen a better name with lower prices.

Rivian suv is 95k+ and truck is 70k+. I can buy a g wagon or range rover for a little more or a King Ranch or F250. All have better power than the Rivian.

Traditional brands have quality expectations of 5-10+ years, these EV I expect only 5 years. With car prices these high, depreciation so fast, it's not worth the gamble.
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post 1698300453 02-24-2024, 01:54 PM
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Pretty much everyone that actually wanted an EV already has one. The only real market going forward is the government forcing them on us.
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post 1698300613 02-24-2024, 02:02 PM
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i think the only EV in the future will be tesla. they have diversified with those robots that will be supplied to every city making them major bank
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post 1698301013 02-24-2024, 02:14 PM
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Toyota won
post 1698301793 02-24-2024, 02:41 PM
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The EV industry is basically an example of an industry that governments desperately want the public to be a fan of that most of the general public wants nothing to do with.

I think EV sales hit a sales slump quickly because the early adopters were basically the only people who actually want an EV. It's a product that only appeals to rich city dwelling liberals, most of whom don't even drive a car.
post 1698302633 02-24-2024, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted By Misque*******⏩
Toyota won
Yep. Their hybrid tech is outstanding but also their up and coming ICE + hydrogen technology will blow anything out of the water.
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post 1698303243 02-24-2024, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted By niospecv⏩
Yep. Their hybrid tech is outstanding but also their up and coming ICE + hydrogen technology will blow anything out of the water.
Their electric vehicle is so bad you can find a used 2023 under $30K. They retail for $50K (and pales in comparison to what you get in a competitor EV in the $50K range.) As far as hydrogen goes, Shell is shutting down all of their light duty hydrogen stations, and Toyota is discounting new unsold 2023 Mirai Limited models by $40K on top of a $15K fuel card. There is zero doubt about EV's being the future. The question is the timing of the transition due to lack of infrastructure, battery tech, etc.
Your schtick sucks and it screams insecurity.
post 1698303403 02-24-2024, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted By digital022⏩
Their electric vehicle is so bad you can find a used 2023 under $30K. They retail for $50K (and pales in comparison to what you get in a competitor EV in the $50K range.) As far as hydrogen goes, Shell is shutting down all of their light duty hydrogen stations, and Toyota is discounting new unsold 2023 Mirai Limited models by $40K on top of a $15K fuel card. There is zero doubt about EV's being the future. The question is the timing of the transition due to lack of infrastructure, battery tech, etc.
LMAO @ thinking battery powered cars, a 100+ year old concept, is the future of motoring.

Battery power sucks and it's going to become a massive environmental disaster when all those EV batteries start to expire. I mean the government already makes a big fuss about anyone trying to throw out basic electronics and AA batteries lol.

Even when recycled, rechargeable batteries eventually result in what is called "black mass" which is about 95% toxic waste they don't know what to do with.
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Originally Posted By digital022⏩
Their electric vehicle is so bad you can find a used 2023 under $30K. They retail for $50K (and pales in comparison to what you get in a competitor EV in the $50K range.) As far as hydrogen goes, Shell is shutting down all of their light duty hydrogen stations, and Toyota is discounting new unsold 2023 Mirai Limited models by $40K on top of a $15K fuel card. There is zero doubt about EV's being the future. The question is the timing of the transition due to lack of infrastructure, battery tech, etc.
Toyota spent the smallest amount possible on the electric only vehicles on purpose
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Originally Posted By helpmee⏩
Toyota spent the smallest amount possible on the electric only vehicles on purpose
Battery power is nothing besides stop-gap tech. Hydrogen addresses the drawbacks of batteries while still being EV power.
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I simply don't understand the thought process behind producing an EV truck, let alone buying one.

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Originally Posted By digital022⏩
Their electric vehicle is so bad you can find a used 2023 under $30K. They retail for $50K (and pales in comparison to what you get in a competitor EV in the $50K range.) As far as hydrogen goes, Shell is shutting down all of their light duty hydrogen stations, and Toyota is discounting new unsold 2023 Mirai Limited models by $40K on top of a $15K fuel card. There is zero doubt about EV's being the future. The question is the timing of the transition due to lack of infrastructure, battery tech, etc.
EVs are not the future. Batteries aren't it. The Mirai is 100% hydrogen. I'm talking about their new Hydrogen combustion engine.
Originally Posted By JayJ350⏩
LMAO @ thinking battery powered cars, a 100+ year old concept, is the future of motoring.

Battery power sucks and it's going to become a massive environmental disaster when all those EV batteries start to expire. I mean the government already makes a big fuss about anyone trying to throw out basic electronics and AA batteries lol.

Even when recycled, rechargeable batteries eventually result in what is called "black mass" which is about 95% toxic waste they don't know what to do with.
No one talks about this because it goes against the "green" narrative.
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"Let's make an expensive EV truck when most people who buy trucks will never buy EV."

Rivian was the easiest short ever.
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Originally Posted By niospecv⏩
EVs are not the future. Batteries aren't it. The Mirai is 100% hydrogen. I'm talking about their new Hydrogen combustion engine.
Good luck to Toyota on building a hydrogen infrastructure. Tesla has already proven the EV model works. The stuff JJ is yapping on about is mere propaganda.
Your schtick sucks and it screams insecurity.
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Originally Posted By digital022⏩
Good luck to Toyota on building a hydrogen infrastructure. Tesla has already proven the EV model works. The stuff JJ is yapping on about is mere propaganda.
How the hell is the government making a big deal about e-waste propaganda? It's a thing they are actively doing at the present moment.

The drawbacks of battery technology and toxic waste issue they present is an undeniable fact of reality and an issue that has been longstanding when it comes to e-waste.

EV's are just a giant electronic device on wheels.
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They seem to forget that in order for most things to be popular they have to be two things.

1- affordable

2- convenient to use.

They know damn good and well these two things will sell cars but they insist on charging and arm and a leg for something thats a pain in the ass to use.

Thats the kiss of death for these things.

If a car company made an electric car that got 100 miles and cost 10k, they wouldnt be able to keep them on the lot.

The magic number for mileage will be 500 miles per charge. until they can get there they will always be just a thing for geeks and liberals. They will never be mainstream where its a natural choice.
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How it started

Mercedes-Benz will shift its focus entirely to electric vehicles in 2025 and be prepared to sell nothing but electric cars by 2030, the company said Thursday
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/m...oogle_vignette

How it's going

Mercedes-Benz delays electrification goal, beefs up combustion engine line-up
https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...te-2024-02-22/
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Originally Posted By BraddlesMcGee⏩
Mercedes

How it started

Mercedes-Benz will shift its focus entirely to electric vehicles in 2025 and be prepared to sell nothing but electric cars by 2030, the company said Thursday
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/m...oogle_vignette

How it's going

Mercedes-Benz delays electrification goal, beefs up combustion engine line-up
https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...te-2024-02-22/
My brother in law spent over $100k on a fancy new Mercedes EV. It was breaking down almost immediately, spent most of the first two weeks he had it at the service center, where it ultimately caught on fire. They tried to get out of responsibility for that, so he sued the dealer and bought a new ICE 7 series.
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Originally Posted By JayJ350⏩
How the hell is the government making a big deal about e-waste propaganda? It's a thing they are actively doing at the present moment.

The drawbacks of battery technology and toxic waste issue they present is an undeniable fact of reality and an issue that has been longstanding when it comes to e-waste.

EV's are just a giant electronic device on wheels.
Because it's not at all a big deal, that's why lol.

EV Batteries are currently 95% recyclable and will rise to a higher percentage over the years as tech improves. ONE company I took a look at just now will be producing enough recyclable material by 2025 to power 1 million EV's by 2025 and 5 million EV's by 2030 annually. Look up Redwood Materials if you care to educate yourself. It's founded by a former Tesla employee. The supply chain will eventually achieve a closed loop of battery material. That can never happen with traditional engines.

Also, all the best and brightest Silicon Valley engineers are all in on BEV. The ex-CEO of Porsche North America recently left Porsche to join Rivian. Porsche is arguably the epitome of a street-legal ICE performance car. The ex-senior exec of hardware at Apple who oversaw the ipod, ipad, iPhone, etc. also just left Apple to join Rivian. The thing about tech is it gets exponentially cheaper over time as tech improves. This can never happen with ICE's.
Your schtick sucks and it screams insecurity.
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Originally Posted By digital022⏩
Because it's not at all a big deal, that's why lol.

EV Batteries are currently 95% recyclable and will rise to a higher percentage over the years as tech improves. ONE company I took a look at just now will be producing enough recyclable material by 2025 to power 1 million EV's by 2025 and 5 million EV's by 2030 annually. Look up Redwood Materials if you care to educate yourself. It's founded by a former Tesla employee. The supply chain will eventually achieve a closed loop of battery material. That can never happen with traditional engines.

Also, all the best and brightest Silicon Valley engineers are all in on BEV. The ex-CEO of Porsche North America recently left Porsche to join Rivian. Porsche is arguably the epitome of a street-legal ICE performance car. The ex-senior exec of hardware at Apple who oversaw the ipod, ipad, iPhone, etc. also just left Apple to join Rivian. The thing about tech is it gets exponentially cheaper over time as tech improves. This can never happen with ICE's.
EVcels: "anybody who has anything bad to say about batteries and EV's is pushing propaganda! Now listen to all of my blatant propaganda and sales pitches."

Everything you had to say is divorced from reality.
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Originally Posted By JayJ350⏩
EVcels: "anybody who has anything bad to say about batteries and EV's is pushing propaganda! Now listen to all of my blatant propaganda and sales pitches."

Everything you had to say is divorced from reality.
I presented you with facts you can confirm for yourself, unlike you, and all you did was respond with an ad hominem. I expect nothing less from you though, ded srs. It's the reason no one on here takes you serious. You are one of the most, if not the most polarized members on this board. It's all about blue vs red with you.
Your schtick sucks and it screams insecurity.
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Originally Posted By digital022⏩
I presented you with facts you can confirm for yourself, unlike you, and all you did was respond with an ad hominem. I expect nothing less from you though, ded srs. It's the reason no one on here takes you serious. You are one of the most, if not the most polarized members on this board. It's all about blue vs red with you.
All you did was expose how brainwashed and delusional you are lol. Nothing you say checks out with reality, easily debunkable bullchit. You are completely out of touch with the reality of e-waste.

Typical for an EVcel really, your type are always like that. Bet you try to put a spin on where the electricity comes from as well.
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Originally Posted By digital022⏩
Their electric vehicle is so bad you can find a used 2023 under $30K. They retail for $50K (and pales in comparison to what you get in a competitor EV in the $50K range.) As far as hydrogen goes, Shell is shutting down all of their light duty hydrogen stations, and Toyota is discounting new unsold 2023 Mirai Limited models by $40K on top of a $15K fuel card. There is zero doubt about EV's being the future. The question is the timing of the transition due to lack of infrastructure, battery tech, etc.
All electric vehicles suck. Hybrid is the superior choice
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Originally Posted By JayJ350⏩
All you did was expose how brainwashed and delusional you are lol. Nothing you say checks out with reality, easily debunkable bullchit. You are completely out of touch with the reality of e-waste.

Typical for an EVcel really, your type are always like that. Bet you try to put a spin on where the electricity comes from as well.
Feel free to debunk any of the facts I presented. I see you're doubling down on the ad hominems.
Your schtick sucks and it screams insecurity.
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Originally Posted By AlwaysFocus⏩
All electric vehicles suck. Hybrid is the superior choice
He is just going to keep reciting the sales pitches and democrat propaganda lol, EVcels gonna EVcel.
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