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08-08-2024, 03:54 PM
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Why is it so hard to believe life started with some cell that evolved?
We are told billions of years make it possible. But it's still seems absurd. Makes sense that the farther you go back the more simple things would become yet with all of our tech we can't create one living cell in the lab…yet it spontaneously just happened?
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We were created by God in his image (srs)
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08-08-2024, 04:02 PM
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what if ai gets so advanced and we can load all our data…it crunches the numbers through billions of years and basically gets an error or tells us the current scientific explanation is not possible…where would we go from there?
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08-08-2024, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted By eddiehaskell⏩
Living bodies are made out of elements/molecules such as calcium, sodium, iron, etc.
We are told billions of years make it possible. But it's still seems absurd. Makes sense that the farther you go back the more simple things would become yet with all of our tech we can't create one living cell in the lab…yet it spontaneously just happened?
Those substances are all over the Earth. They are just laying around.
What's weird is that at some point these chemicals joined together and made a machine that's a living cell.
Living things all eat the chemicals of the Earth to live and keep their machines running.
HOW…did THAT HAPPEN?!
On top of that, this super complex DNA molecule formed and acts like a computer program to make the living machine parts and form new living machines.
So far, science has not been able to create life in a lab out of the component chemicals so how did this happen in nature?
I am not a creationist but I get the argument and why people are puzzled.
There's no reason for chemicals to join together to create live and it doesn't seem to be happening now, so what happened?
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08-08-2024, 04:24 PM
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Life started completely by accident; you had some elements consisting of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, phosphorous, sulfur, etc mixing and mingling with each other and somehow the right combination of chemicals struck by lightning or heated by deep-sea hydrothermal vents created complex organic molecules like amino acids, nucleotides, sugars, lipids, hydrocarbons etc. It was pure dumb luck that life began on Earth.
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08-08-2024, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted By RichH0mieQuan⏩
BUT…humans are just like other animals in that we have the same organs, cell structures, etc. So, a mouse and a snake are also very similar to humans.
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08-08-2024, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted By Shortfuze⏩
sounds like a fairy tale for adults
Life started completely by accident; you had some elements consisting of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, phosphorous, sulfur, etc mixing and mingling with each other and somehow the right combination of chemicals struck by lightning or heated by deep-sea hydrothermal vents created complex organic molecules like amino acids, nucleotides, sugars, lipids, hydrocarbons etc. It was pure dumb luck that life began on Earth.
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08-08-2024, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
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Living bodies are made out of elements/molecules such as calcium, sodium, iron, etc.
Those substances are all over the Earth. They are just laying around.
What's weird is that at some point these chemicals joined together and made a machine that's a living cell.
Living things all eat the chemicals of the Earth to live and keep their machines running.
HOW…did THAT HAPPEN?!
On top of that, this super complex DNA molecule formed and acts like a computer program to make the living machine parts and form new living machines.
So far, science has not been able to create life in a lab out of the component chemicals so how did this happen in nature?
I am not a creationist but I get the argument and why people are puzzled.
There's no reason for chemicals to join together to create live and it doesn't seem to be happening now, so what happened?
Those substances are all over the Earth. They are just laying around.
What's weird is that at some point these chemicals joined together and made a machine that's a living cell.
Living things all eat the chemicals of the Earth to live and keep their machines running.
HOW…did THAT HAPPEN?!
On top of that, this super complex DNA molecule formed and acts like a computer program to make the living machine parts and form new living machines.
So far, science has not been able to create life in a lab out of the component chemicals so how did this happen in nature?
I am not a creationist but I get the argument and why people are puzzled.
There's no reason for chemicals to join together to create live and it doesn't seem to be happening now, so what happened?
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08-08-2024, 04:43 PM
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Well scientists these days are saying that reality is a simulation but also saying there's no simulator. So it seems like we're going back to paganism.
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08-08-2024, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
Living bodies are made out of elements/molecules such as calcium, sodium, iron, etc.
Those substances are all over the Earth. They are just laying around.
What's weird is that at some point these chemicals joined together and made a machine that's a living cell.
Living things all eat the chemicals of the Earth to live and keep their machines running.
HOW…did THAT HAPPEN?!
On top of that, this super complex DNA molecule formed and acts like a computer program to make the living machine parts and form new living machines.
So far, science has not been able to create life in a lab out of the component chemicals so how did this happen in nature?
I am not a creationist but I get the argument and why people are puzzled.
There's no reason for chemicals to join together to create live and it doesn't seem to be happening now, so what happened?
Those substances are all over the Earth. They are just laying around.
What's weird is that at some point these chemicals joined together and made a machine that's a living cell.
Living things all eat the chemicals of the Earth to live and keep their machines running.
HOW…did THAT HAPPEN?!
On top of that, this super complex DNA molecule formed and acts like a computer program to make the living machine parts and form new living machines.
So far, science has not been able to create life in a lab out of the component chemicals so how did this happen in nature?
I am not a creationist but I get the argument and why people are puzzled.
There's no reason for chemicals to join together to create live and it doesn't seem to be happening now, so what happened?
It was demonstrated through Miller-Urey experiment. The scientists replicated conditions on earth billions of years ago with methane, ammonia, hydrogen, and water vapor; they ignited the gases with electrical current (which simulated lighting) and managed to create amino acid from it.
But it's not that easy to create a whole new life form just by doing this. You need to create a bunch of amino acids, chain them up in a specific manner, create a protein, then DNA/RNA, then lipids, carbohydrates etc, and then all the structures and machinery for these molecules to use, then a series of steps/instructions/pathways to tell the machine how to operate and so on. It's extremely complex and time-consuming and so many trial and error is necessary to find the right combination of ingredients and recipes and utensils to make life and we are nowhere near understanding how this all works.
Earth is almost 5 billions years old and our earliest human ancestor first appeared around 6-7 millions years ago. It took roughly 4.9 billion years of trial and error and experimentation for humans to even exist.
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08-08-2024, 04:50 PM
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can a baby survive without an adult?
Which came first: THe Adult or the baby…
Which came first: THe Adult or the baby…
08-08-2024, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted By Shortfuze⏩
And how long did it take on the other planets who have been around for 14 billion years? I'll wait.
It was demonstrated through Miller-Urey experiment. The scientists replicated conditions on earth billions of years ago with methane, ammonia, hydrogen, and water vapor; they ignited the gases with electrical current (which simulated lighting) and managed to create amino acid from it.
But it's not that easy to create a whole new life form just by doing this. You need to create a bunch of amino acids, chain them up in a specific manner, create a protein, then DNA/RNA, then lipids, carbohydrates etc, and then all the structures and machinery for these molecules to use, then a series of steps/instructions/pathways to tell the machine how to operate and so on. It's extremely complex and time-consuming and so many trial and error is necessary to find the right combination of ingredients and recipes and utensils to make life and we are nowhere near understanding how this all works.
Earth is almost 5 billions years old and our earliest human ancestor first appeared around 6-7 millions years ago. It took roughly 4.9 billion years of trial and error and experimentation for humans to even exist.
But it's not that easy to create a whole new life form just by doing this. You need to create a bunch of amino acids, chain them up in a specific manner, create a protein, then DNA/RNA, then lipids, carbohydrates etc, and then all the structures and machinery for these molecules to use, then a series of steps/instructions/pathways to tell the machine how to operate and so on. It's extremely complex and time-consuming and so many trial and error is necessary to find the right combination of ingredients and recipes and utensils to make life and we are nowhere near understanding how this all works.
Earth is almost 5 billions years old and our earliest human ancestor first appeared around 6-7 millions years ago. It took roughly 4.9 billion years of trial and error and experimentation for humans to even exist.
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08-08-2024, 04:54 PM
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Imagine believing a water bottle over billions of years could become a human
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08-08-2024, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted By SunnahAndSalaf⏩
Imagine believing that a water bottle didn't form by it self somewhere in this infinite universe that contains water - alas it did not.
Imagine believing a water bottle over billions of years could become a human
Even though a water bottle is simpler than a human by a long shot.
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08-08-2024, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted By WiseOldApe⏩
Seriously lol
Imagine believing that a water bottle didn't form by it self somewhere in this infinite universe that contains water - alas it did not.
Even though a water bottle is simpler than a human by a long shot.
Even though a water bottle is simpler than a human by a long shot.
Like bruh would a phone make itself over a trillion years?
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08-08-2024, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted By Shortfuze⏩
Okay, but if you read your post, it says much the same thing I did.
It was demonstrated through Miller-Urey experiment. The scientists replicated conditions on earth billions of years ago with methane, ammonia, hydrogen, and water vapor; they ignited the gases with electrical current (which simulated lighting) and managed to create amino acid from it.
But it's not that easy to create a whole new life form just by doing this. You need to create a bunch of amino acids, chain them up in a specific manner, create a protein, then DNA/RNA, then lipids, carbohydrates etc, and then all the structures and machinery for these molecules to use, then a series of steps/instructions/pathways to tell the machine how to operate and so on. It's extremely complex and time-consuming and so many trial and error is necessary to find the right combination of ingredients and recipes and utensils to make life and we are nowhere near understanding how this all works.
Earth is almost 5 billions years old and our earliest human ancestor first appeared around 6-7 millions years ago. It took roughly 4.9 billion years of trial and error and experimentation for humans to even exist.
But it's not that easy to create a whole new life form just by doing this. You need to create a bunch of amino acids, chain them up in a specific manner, create a protein, then DNA/RNA, then lipids, carbohydrates etc, and then all the structures and machinery for these molecules to use, then a series of steps/instructions/pathways to tell the machine how to operate and so on. It's extremely complex and time-consuming and so many trial and error is necessary to find the right combination of ingredients and recipes and utensils to make life and we are nowhere near understanding how this all works.
Earth is almost 5 billions years old and our earliest human ancestor first appeared around 6-7 millions years ago. It took roughly 4.9 billion years of trial and error and experimentation for humans to even exist.
There's a difference between a molecule forming, as that's all kinds on Earth, but not ones that form living machines.
If it happened on Earth, then it could be recreated in a lab.
We have all the chemicals and ability to create reactions using heat, energy, etc but we can't do it. Also, I don't know if there's a theory about how and why it could happen.
Recently, on another forum I was talking to a creationist and started reading about theories about how organic machines could form and I couldn't find anything direct. It's mostly science terms that sound good but aren't an explanation. That started me thinking about why and how and why inert substances would form living machines that ate inert substance.
It's odd.
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08-08-2024, 05:06 PM
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It's fun.
Welcome back. Can't wait to hear your latest theories.
I came back because this was the first place I read about the Trump assassination attempt.
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08-08-2024, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted By WiseOldApe⏩
I'm not denying there could be other planets out there with life. We just haven't found them yet. The universe is a vast place after all.
And how long did it take on the other planets who have been around for 14 billion years? I'll wait.
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08-08-2024, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted By SunnahAndSalaf⏩
It's like the Pick up artists who think that if they approach 1000 women women, they'll get laid at least once - and they never get laid, even when they approach 10 000 women.
Seriously lol
Like bruh would a phone make itself over a trillion years?
Like bruh would a phone make itself over a trillion years?
LMAO.
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That's because there isn't any
I'm not denying there could be other planets out there with life. We just haven't found them yet. The universe is a vast place after all.
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08-08-2024, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
I'm not understanding what you mean by "living machine". Do you mean a cell? Well, in order to develop any organism, you need an enclosed place to do your "experiments". So that was step number 1; simple organic molecules evolved a lipid bilayer that was water phobic and it allowed the organic molecule to have a boundary filled with fluid and allowed it to build the first cellular structures where biochemical processes can take place and hundreds of millions of years later, we had complex life forms form. Since the beginning of life, scientists estimate that almost 5 billion species of life forms have existed. Today, there are only 8.7 million known species on Earth. 99% of all life forms that have existed are now extinct. Just goes to show you how fragile life is.
Okay, but if you read your post, it says much the same thing I did.
There's a difference between a molecule forming, as that's all kinds on Earth, but not ones that form living machines.
If it happened on Earth, then it could be recreated in a lab.
We have all the chemicals and ability to create reactions using heat, energy, etc but we can't do it. Also, I don't know if there's a theory about how and why it could happen.
Recently, on another forum I was talking to a creationist and started reading about theories about how organic machines could form and I couldn't find anything direct. It's mostly science terms that sound good but aren't an explanation. That started me thinking about why and how and why inert substances would form living machines that ate inert substance.
It's odd.
There's a difference between a molecule forming, as that's all kinds on Earth, but not ones that form living machines.
If it happened on Earth, then it could be recreated in a lab.
We have all the chemicals and ability to create reactions using heat, energy, etc but we can't do it. Also, I don't know if there's a theory about how and why it could happen.
Recently, on another forum I was talking to a creationist and started reading about theories about how organic machines could form and I couldn't find anything direct. It's mostly science terms that sound good but aren't an explanation. That started me thinking about why and how and why inert substances would form living machines that ate inert substance.
It's odd.
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08-08-2024, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted By Shortfuze⏩
How does non-living matter evolve anything? At most we can have complex molecules, but the step to self-replication is massive. Based on my understanding of biology, it requires specific machinery and the right environment. DNA doesn't just replicate itself, it is replicated by DNA polymerase (and others), which are proteins that are translated from preexisting genetic material
I'm not understanding what you mean by "living machine". Do you mean a cell? Well, in order to develop any organism, you need an enclosed place to do your "experiments". So that was step number 1; simple organic molecules evolved a lipid bilayer that was water phobic and it allowed the organic molecule to have a boundary filled with fluid and allowed it to build the first cellular structures where biochemical processes can take place and hundreds of millions of years later, we had complex life forms form. Since the beginning of life, scientists estimate that almost 5 billion species of life forms have existed. Today, there are only 8.7 million known species on Earth. 99% of all life forms that have existed are now extinct. Just goes to show you how fragile life is.
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Originally Posted By WiseOldApe⏩
And that's exactly what the first protocells had to create; you start with one amino acid and then make more of them, and then you start to chain them up and eventually create a polypeptide, and then you realize that if you chain them in a specific sequence and/or shape, it becomes a functional protein, which then forms into a functional enzyme and so on. Same for a nucleotide, start with one, make some more, combine them, and with luck and lots of trial and error you end up creating the beginnings of RNA/DNA containing rudimentary instructions or genetic code for protocells, and so on.
How does non-living matter evolve anything? At most we can have complex molecules, but the step to self-replication is massive. Based on my understanding of biology, it requires specific machinery and the right environment. DNA doesn't just replicate itself, it is replicated by DNA polymerase (and others), which are proteins that are translated from preexisting genetic material
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08-08-2024, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted By WiseOldApe⏩
can't wrap my mind around this infinitely complex thing arising in just the right balance and having within it the mechanism needed to eventually become everything that has ever lived. it's like the most advanced programming conceivable just arising on whim. then you take it on back to when time and matter arose into being…maybe other universes birthed this one…but then where did they come from. how do you get something when there is literally nothing?
How does non-living matter evolve anything? At most we can have complex molecules, but the step to self-replication is massive. Based on my understanding of biology, it requires specific machinery and the right environment. DNA doesn't just replicate itself, it is replicated by DNA polymerase (and others), which are proteins that are translated from preexisting genetic material
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08-08-2024, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted By Shortfuze⏩
I said it in my first post.
I'm not understanding what you mean by "living machine". Do you mean a cell? Well, in order to develop any organism, you need an enclosed place to do your "experiments". So that was step number 1; simple organic molecules evolved a lipid bilayer that was water phobic and it allowed the organic molecule to have a boundary filled with fluid and allowed it to build the first cellular structures where biochemical processes can take place and hundreds of millions of years later, we had complex life forms form. Since the beginning of life, scientists estimate that almost 5 billion species of life forms have existed. Today, there are only 8.7 million known species on Earth. 99% of all life forms that have existed are now extinct. Just goes to show you how fragile life is.
A living thing is composed of elements from the Earth.
For instance, salt is a type of rock and so is calcium.
You can find these substances just lying around on Earth. A living thing isn't composed of anything other than various chemicals.
A body is a collection of elements, so they are an animated bunch of chemicals. That's what I mean by living machine.
A cell or an animals is a machine made of minerals, elements, etc.
Since all of these elements/chemicals/minerals, are lying around then why would some of them form into an extremely complex machine?
Even a simple single cell creature is a very complex collection of chemicals that float around eating minerals, other single cell collection of chemicals, machines, and so on.
Why would these chemical machines do that?
How come there aren't new forms of life forming all of the time?
It seems like all life is related in that they all work in much the same way, have DNA, similar cell structures, etc.
That makes it seem like one event kicked off living chemical machines and then they morphed into all life on Earth.
Life is SOMETHING super complicated that came from nothing, like dirt, created living machines.
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08-08-2024, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted By Shortfuze⏩
Do you know how an enzyme is formed though? The chance of one forming spontaneously without God is very very very slim. The amino acids need to be arranged in the right way so that they fold up to form a functional protein that can elicit an effect. It's like a piece of origami forming from a gust of wind blowing
And that's exactly what the first protocells had to create; you start with one amino acid and then make more of them, and then you start to chain them up and eventually create a polypeptide, and then you realize that if you chain them in a specific sequence and/or shape, it becomes a functional protein, which then forms into a functional enzyme and so on. Same for a nucleotide, start with one, make some more, combine them, and with luck and lots of trial and error you end up creating the beginnings of RNA/DNA containing rudimentary instructions or genetic code for protocells, and so on.
Originally Posted By eddiehaskell⏩
Yeah it's a bit of a chicken or the egg type scenario.
can't wrap my mind around this infinitely complex thing arising in just the right balance and having within it the mechanism needed to eventually become everything that has ever lived. it's like the most advanced programming conceivable just arising on whim. then you take it on back to when time and matter arose into being…maybe other universes birthed this one…but then where did they come from. how do you get something when there is literally nothing?
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08-08-2024, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
Fraudlerian gonna fraud.
I came back because this was the first place I read about the Trump assassination attempt.
I see you posting on Alltrapbrah on the reg, that's just ONE of your alts. No doubt there are many others, as would be expected of a fraud.
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08-08-2024, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted By Mulloway69⏩
I have no alts, brah.
Fraudlerian gonna fraud.
I see you posting on Alltrapbrah on the reg, that's just ONE of your alts. No doubt there are many others, as would be expected of a fraud.
I see you posting on Alltrapbrah on the reg, that's just ONE of your alts. No doubt there are many others, as would be expected of a fraud.
Prepare to read quality posts that make you feel stupid.
Next, I will post about my latest inhuman lifting feats, and you will confirm your own inferiority for me.
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08-08-2024, 10:44 PM
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I don't know how life began. I can't say God because I've not only never seen any evidence that God even exists, but I've never even heard a compelling argument to support the existence of God. I don't really believe in the theory of evolution either because I don't know how single celled organisms can eventually evolve into something as big as dinosaurs. So my answer is I don't know.
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08-08-2024, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted By Briangumble⏩
Well in that case you can look at the evidence which is rooted in the design of life and living cells and organisms. You'd be stupid to not recognise that a mind greater than ours made us.
I don't know how life began. I can't say God because I've not only never seen any evidence that God even exists, but I've never even heard a compelling argument to support the existence of God. I don't really believe in the theory of evolution either because I don't know how single celled organisms can eventually evolve into something as big as dinosaurs. So my answer is I don't know.
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