Anyone that cares about his social image should some what care. Granted I don't know the situation where you live but Im not trying to be "that black dude that hits on everything that moves". Imo it isnt' a good look. Also when I used to do that I realized women start talking. Even in a city with 1 + million people there are only so many 20somethings and then if its a club,bars, lounges so eventually these girls will realize "wait he hit on you too?". I cant say if that harmed me or not but I know I got the reputation as a flirt.

However lets look at the effort ratio here. This was me until I pretty much made this thread.

Pretty much on an off day Id go out to my chill spot, go skate downtown, go to a bar where I know bartenders, or etc. My goal was always to approach 3 to 5 women and have a friendly conversation and then grab the number.

So if I do that once a weekend thats potentially 3 to 5 girls I've approached on a weekend
Thats 12 to 20 girls a month
Thats 72 to 120 girls every 6 months
Thats 144 to 240 girls a year.

I literally did this for almost 2 years. Thats more women than most men on the planet approach in their entire lives and I knocked that out in a year. Also understand I was swiping on bumble, tinder, and sending out messages on POF,OKC, and even eHarmony towards the end.

I got literally no where. Literally an overweight asian girl with herpes. My 10/10 (looks. personality) and she had herpes. A 45 year old white chunky nurse that was infatuated with me beyond belief. A mexican girl that used me for sex and then no contacted me after like 2 months of regular hooking up.

I could have played games ,read books, watched anime, worked on my car, traveled somewhere, but I wasted so much time getting rejected. In short. Some men are just better off not cold approaching


The most hilarious part was all my friends were constantly asking me "how are you so smooth with women?" Then I would (and still do) coach them through encountersand they managed to get girlfriends, and FWBs . The only difference is most are outright better looking dudes. Zero game or charisma, but their looks carry them.

inb4 "you're making that up and it didn't/doesnt happen"

this. The effort to reward ratio is not good for some people. So pulling out and focusing on other things is something to seriously consider. Which is where Im at.

This.

I met a young guy recently, bout 24/25, who works a low-level position at a technology firm, and he's also a geek at heart and kinda odd looking. We were conversing and our conversation steered towards the subject of women, which is when I discover he's kind of FA and has clearly read about game/pickup. He then explains to me how he's being doing the odd cold approach, and although he has ZERO results to show for it, he found the experiences invigorating and was really proud he challenged himself and whatever.
I take it upon myself to rain on this guys parade (albeit subtly; after all, it's kinda hard to tell a chap you've just met that he's a bit of an odd ball and not the best looking) but despite my efforts he maintains his steadfast belief that cold approaching is the way to go. Factoring in his stubbornness, I play devils advocate and say something to the extent of, "okay... well if you're gonna do this, then at the very least you have to do it right, which is to say, you gotta approach girls in massive numbers because the odds of success are incredibly low". I can see the cogs turning and he's sorta like, "yea, I guess I gotta up my numbers...", and then our conversation finishes with the dude feeling pumped and enthusiastic that he'll increase the amount of approaches he'll do [which I've since learnt he hasn't done].

Anyway, I'm not entirely sure what I'm trying to communicate with this story, but it was an interesting experience for me in that it's the first time I've found myself face to face with someone for whom PUA/Game has clearly had a negative/misleading influence.

@otakutrevan

People in general already assume ****** are players/criminals/overly sexual/natural athletes.
**** is ingrained in society already..and girls like that so I just feed the narrative.

Yeah i believe u.
Your approaches and success relate to mine when I first started and looked like ****..hitting on girls way above my league..and then ending up with girls who were in my league or below.
Yeah that fat asian, nurse and Mexican were in your league or below. I'm being honest.

When I changed:
1. my look/style
2. which girls I should aim for
3. Increased my aggressiveness
Is when I started getting with better looking girls/ and fukking girls in general a lot quicker.

But a lot of u guys on here are geeks and it looks like u put in effort to look and act like geeks chasing cute girls above your league cause u don't wanna "settle" with girls in your own league. No offense. U can be geeks..but u still gotta dress cool/rich etc. Regardless. Don't be stubborn.

Guys on here talk the most about looks (which yeah it is fact..i don't believe in "game") but put no effort into improving them. And just whine every day on here.... on a bodybuilding forum. Mindblowing.

I knew one day you'd go MGTOW. Its a good mindset to have especially now a days.

Unlike those guys I put in a metric fuk ton of effort. Weight loss, gym life, clothing, hair cuts, nad all that jazz. Indeed Im not attracted to most women that want me. Its pretty rough when most of them are chunky or outright bad looking.

Also who says "geeks" anymore?"

Also I'll pass on feeding into that stereotype for the off chance of pussy. That entire relationship dynamic would be fake as ****. Brb pretending to the black guy she wants.

Indeed.

@otakutrevan
I mean what else u gonna do?

Online dating is a ****show for ****** unless you're ok with dropping your standards. Some Pussy is better than no pussy.

Get rich and get status? That's hard as **** and takes years.

Build a social circle with guys that have access to hot girls? What do u have that would make them wanna chill with u?

Just fake it til u make it man, it's ur life, u can do whatever u want.

Looks, coolness and to a lesser extent money is the only thing these girls care about. And that will never ever change. So use that to ur advantage.

Son...can you read dog? I've already stated that I did go above and beyond to fix my appearance. Started dressing nice, lifting hardcore, and etc. I was not able to use anything to my advantage. None it worked. It mad super low tier women love me, and a handful of decent looking girls showed interest but they seemingly only wanted to have sex and then dip. Guess that wanted a jacked tall black dude to give them the D, but who kows. Guess my face or personality (Many would call me a dorky white washed dude) didn't vibe with them, but the appearance was ok enough for sex.


That said. This **** isnt worth it. You have fun approaching dozens of women a month. I'd rather just nap, or skateboard. Most men in good relationships arent out here blasting through approaches.

Would rep x100Just no, I don't believe it's healthy to live a false lifestyle just for a chance to get laid by a certain 'type' of girl. Now if that's what is important to you then so be it, but I don't see the sense in trying to live a double life and potentially unhappy just for some woman. After all, what's going to happen if you get into a relationship with them? The real you is going to seep out eventually, and if they are behaving as superficial as you or not committed to you, then you just wasted your time.

I will agree with you on one thing though, you can't expect to get certain women unless you fit the 'narrative' they are looking for(or just be aesthetic in general).

Repped. Great post

U actin like all I do is approach and I got no hobbies lol. I'm in the gym every other day.. I shoot pool and play darts 3 times a week. I chill with my bud. I smoke weed. I walk outside like 2-4 hours everyday. Cause i hate staying inside. Yet I can still hit on 25 girls in a week .

You just don't want it bad enough anymore. U just admitted u had some success and did what u had to do so why not keep goin, man..the game still the same. But whatever it's ur decision.

And I typed mgtow on YouTube. Why am I gonna take advice from some fake intellectual white nerd who's never gotten laid in his life about how I should live my life? I don't wanna be him lol

**** I'm out

edit: And here this is me and my last gf. I approached her on the bus. (literally took 20 approaches after I broke up with my ex to get with her..like 2 weeks after)
http://i.imgur.com/ZBxvTSY.jpg

b-b-but cold approaching doesn't work right

Not everyone wants to cold approach. I would rather watch movies, keep up with NBA news, fap, among other things instead of cold approaching.

Yeah, I'm running through all the noob mistakes. I've never been taught to cook by anyone, never tried to cook before, so I am learning off 100% trial and error.

It's so simple that don't even know if it counts as cooking, but the one thing I can make decently is scrambled eggs. Pay extra for Grade AA eggs, put some crumbled sausage in them, add a bit of salt and a drop of Tabasco. Hnnnngg.

Cliffs on parmesean chicken recipe?

Judging by the way you word your post..and please don't take this the wrong way, I suspect you are very educated, you probably have a little "swag" to you. A manner of speaking that is what most people in this country come to expect when they look for "cool" or "masculine" black men.
I've alluded to this before, but there are three different types:
Snoop Dogg's (ghetto as phuck all, not necessarily lacking in education, just raised in such an environment)
Will Smith's (Cross between Carlton and snoop dog. "Talks proper" but has JUST enough "swag ebonic" speak)
Carlton (Hears things like "you talk white" "you sound like a nerdy white IT guy", when you look at media, guys who talk like this are either gay or VERY nerdy ala Carlton)

I bet you fall into one of the top two. Nothing wrong with that, but understand that when you project such an image you garner more success.

What kind of skating you do? Street?
Bro in law got a board the other week and I started skating a bit. First time in over 15 years could still get some kick flips, popped some pretty big ollies. Thinking of getting my own deck

The point is cold approach yields low success, you have to go through countless rejections just to get a number and even if you get a number, it could be a fake one or she will eventually flake on you. The good thing about cold approaching is it toughens you to all the rejections. Good for you for getting a gf through cold approaching but not every guy is lucky.

Otaku from what I've read over my past year or so in RH has put in enough work, the dude just has no luck imo. Such is life.

Well that's my point. There is just too much irony in a MGTOW thread that deviates from it's original purpose.

Me personally I'm going after my own independence, doing **** for myself, if a woman wants to join without being a damper then I would love to have her. If I never meet that woman, then oh well. I think that was the original point of MGTOW. However I can't mingle with the whole thing these days.

There really needs to be a highschool class dedicated to how to avoid fallacies in conversations. I didn't "give up". It had nothing to do with not wanting it bad enough. From 2012 to 2016 I was mass approaching like no other, lost a **** ton of weight,got my clothes on point, and got took so many Ls all about approach anxiety was obliterated. And I wasn't getting anywhere still.Anywhere. I managed to get girlfriend who was on paper overweight or even obese, but she had a coke bottle shape, and the rest were all terrible looking women. You managing to get a cute girlfriend after 20 something approachesis awesome. My hat is off to you. For me however ? Its not worth the effort my guy.

Weight loss is moving along just fine. Wearing jeans that didnt fit awhile ago, and I still have a decent amount of mass oddly enough.

is MGTOW recommended for guys who struggle to get dates or get a girlfriend?

I wouldn't say its recommended. If you are struggling you need to do 3 things

1. Get in reasonable shape. You don't need to look like Zyzz or etc. Just do cardio, bench, deadlifts, squats, pull ups, curlz for the girls, and cardio. Eat right. You will look and feel better.

2. Get a decent style. You don't have to drop $$$ on clothes. JcPennies is quite literally my best friend. As far as shoes keep it verstaile. I love Clark Desert books, slip on toms, and converse. Google "edward honaker" or follow a dapper reddit

3. Social skills. You need to get comfortable talking to women. This is easily my biggest strength and men constantly ask me how Im so calm and just chill. Hundreds upon hundreds of rejections. Throw yourself into the fray and get comfortable.

4. Understand the game isnt fair. Your location, race/ethnicity/ and looks greatly affect this game. A black or Indian dude in rural Alabama is probably going to have a rough time even if he is a semi decent catch.


Do all of this. Do it for years. I went above and beyond the call of duty from 2012 until I made this thread and **** just wasn't working out for me. I think my biggest issue is just my looks. and coming to terms with accepting the women that want me is fairly rough.


So now. I just watch anime, invest, cook, skate, and work on my car.

so MGTOW is for guys who do good with women?

MGTOW is for guys that don't think dating is really worth the effort.

sorry it took a few days for me to reply. Sorry to hear man, it is awesome that you enjoy helping people though. I eventually want a job where I can help people. I started at 22 in pretty much everything. It is a late age but I am trying to do the best I can, girl I am seeing is almost 30 and she has a bit more experience then I do. She is awesome but I feel like she deserves more. Regardless of what happens I am enjoying every moment of it.

I think it's worth the effort but right now i got a lot going on and the woman needs to make an effort also if she wants me to give up some of my free time.

right now i'm at :

go on a first date off bumble or pack the grill and growlers and go pre-game with my friends for this weeks free concert.

guess what?
after last weeks date,
Friend's wins.

The recently divorced woman i met out a few weeks back has gone south.
she wanted to "take it slow".
told her I was too old to take it slow.
She didn't like that but too bad.
I don't answer to women who aren't having sex with me on the regular.
period.

in other news i got a bucket of mandarin orange hefewiezen fermenting in the basement.(blood oranges are out of season. who knew?) should be ready to serve in my back porch keggerator in a few weeks.
Right next to the home brewed hard lemonade and hard cider.

yes. total e-brag.

So a friend showed me his text log. **** was a little depressing. He can do any say anything and they just eat it up.

Sidenote.


230lbs from 250lbs. We president now. End goal is 180. About to go hard in the paint and just eat 1000 calories of grilled chicken, eggs, and vegetables.

Bruh, you were 250? You on that cardio time now?She doesn't deserve anything just like you don't deserve anything. You're both people with your own issues. She's a person just like you are. 22 is a better start than never starting so one foot in front of the other until you get where you want.